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标题: 请教一下：prove adj.与prove to be adj.有什么区别？ [打印本页]

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2012-6-7 00:44
标题: 请教一下：prove adj.与prove to be adj.有什么区别？
感觉这两种表达总是有区别的，可又说不出来到底是哪里有不一样。
请明白的同学讲讲吧~

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2012-6-7 12:20
有木有人明白啊~~~~~

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-6-8 17:28
据说yake大树研究过，结论是：similar to "derive" vs. "be derived" - a distinction between active and passive voices.

作者: yakev6 时间: 2012-6-8 18:24
回mm，我也是东搜搜西看看...半瓶子醋。。。
以下摘自Ron
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Siying What's the difference between "derive" and "are derived"?
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This is one of VERY few verbs whose meaning isn't verv different between active
and passive forms.
X derives fmm Y -> Y is the source of X (general statement of fact)
Sugar derives from sugarcane.
Species X derive from species Y (through evolution)
X is derived from Y -> this is actually performed (usually by people)
Sugar is derived rom sugarcane ->True (people do this)
Species X is derived from species Y -> Doesn't make sense, unless you are talking about literally making species in a lab.
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还有一种解释是，prove是系动词，和sound什么的一样都可以用主动表示被动...

另外看看这个帖子会不会有启发，
adj n vs n to be adj
形容词描述的是名词的内在属性，不定式描述的是被赋予的属性。
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/although-the-first-pulsar-or-rapidly-spinning-collapsed-t3500.html

其他的...再听听mm的想法

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2012-6-8 23:31
谢baby指点~

据说yake大树研究过，结论是：similar to "derive" vs. "be derived" - a distinction between active and passive voices.

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/6/8 17:28:47)

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2012-6-8 23:33
谢yake大叔~明白多了~

回mm，我也是东搜搜西看看...半瓶子醋。。。
以下摘自Ron
_____________________________________________________________
Siying What's the difference between "derive" and "are derived"?
--
This is one of VERY few verbs whose meaning isn't verv different between active
and passive forms.
X derives fmm Y -> Y is the source of X (general statement of fact)
Sugar derives from sugarcane.
Species X derive from species Y (through evolution)
X is derived from Y -> this is actually performed (usually by people)
Sugar is derived rom sugarcane ->True (people do this)
Species X is derived from species Y -> Doesn't make sense, unless you are talking about literally making species in a lab.
________________________________________________________________________
还有一种解释是，prove是系动词，和sound什么的一样都可以用主动表示被动...

另外看看这个帖子会不会有启发，
adj n vs n to be adj
形容词描述的是名词的内在属性，不定式描述的是被赋予的属性。
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/although-the-first-pulsar-or-rapidly-spinning-collapsed-t3500.html

其他的...再听听mm的想法

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/6/8 18:24:09)

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-6-9 02:41
谢谢大树~~大树研究得真透彻，学到了！那个derive的问题是我问Ron的，可我咋就没把prove和derive联系起来呢，很多东东都是相通的。

转过来吧：
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/although-the-first-pulsar-or-rapidly-spinning-collapsed-t3500.html
Ron:
Gellar wrote:

The OA is D. Is "sighted plusar" better than "to be sighted", since the pulsar has alreadly been sighted?

no, 'to be sighted' is better for at least two reasons.

(1) 'first NOUN to be VERBed' is generally the preferred form in discussing the results of human efforts/actions/interference/perception/etc., while 'first VERBed NOUN' is generally used to indicate inherent qualities of the noun.
for instance, the following sentence is preferred:
henry bishop was the first musician to be knighted by a british monarch. --> knighting is performed by humans
the following is NOT preferred:
henry bishop was the first knighted musician in britain. --> this makes it seem as though being 'knighted' is an inherent quality with which henry bishop was born, or that he acquired it naturally/accidentally in some other way

(2) the word 'sighted' means 'having the sense of sight', so this sentence also contains the amusing alternative interpretation of referring to a pulsar that can actually see.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/6/8 18:24:09)

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-6-9 02:44
嘿嘿，谢谢你的问题，我是搭便车的

谢baby指点~

据说yake大树研究过，结论是：similar to "derive" vs. "be derived" - a distinction between active and passive voices.

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/6/8 17:28:47)

-- by 会员 jeffery2541 (2012/6/8 23:31:23)

作者: yakev6 时间: 2012-10-8 15:14
from ron：
"proved" can also be an active-voice verb, especially in reference to descriptive qualities.
e.g.
John, who had always bragged the most about his fighting abilities, proved to be the most cowardly person in the group when actual threats arose.
or
my efforts proved insufficient, and i returned home without winning the prize.

作者: sisichen666 时间: 2012-10-8 15:48

from ron：
"proved" can also be an active-voice verb, especially in reference to descriptive qualities.
e.g.
John, who had always bragged the most about his fighting abilities, proved to be the most cowardly person in the group when actual threats arose.
or
my efforts proved insufficient, and i returned home without winning the prize.

-- by 会员 yakev6 (2012/10/8 15:14:56)

大叔。。。prove您所说的这种用法，我可以当做系动词来理解吗？？？

作者: sisichen666 时间: 2012-10-8 15:52
感觉prove的用法与appear非常像呢。。。

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2012-10-14 23:03

感觉prove的用法与appear非常像呢。。。

-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/10/8 15:52:38)

是的呢~某种程度上有些相像~

作者: 几米的世界9 时间: 2013-7-3 18:47
《当幸福来敲门》《believe》

作者: jeffery2541 时间: 2013-7-6 05:44

jeffery2541 发表于 2012-10-14 23:03
感觉prove的用法与appear非常像呢。。。-- by 会员 sisichen666 (2012/10/8 15:52:38)

是的呢~某种程度 ...

你是？

作者: candice1112 时间: 2013-9-24 19:52
X is derived from Y -> this is actually performed (usually by people)

这个没有看懂………………~~~~(>_<)~~~~ 求NN指教！！！

作者: Sankofa 时间: 2013-9-25 16:21
就是说，A‘s derived from B 是人为参与造成的。

作者: candice1112 时间: 2013-9-27 11:21

Sankofa 发表于 2013-9-25 16:21
就是说，A‘s derived from B 是人为参与造成的。

谢谢！！谢谢！！！！

作者: zhenyan1985 时间: 2015-9-24 09:31
感谢分享！

作者: 杯uu 时间: 2016-8-22 14:21

yakev6 发表于 2012-10-8 15:14
from ron："proved" can also be an active-voice verb, especially in reference to descriptive qualitie ...

看不懂这个

，觉得这两句话跟刚刚讲的adj是内在属性 to be 是人为的相悖，希望前辈指教

作者: 鹅皇陛下万岁 时间: 2017-6-10 15:21

杯uu 发表于 2016-8-22 14:21
看不懂这个，觉得这两句话跟刚刚讲的adj是内在属性 to be 是人为的相悖，希望前辈指教 ...

ron的意思就是proved可以简单作为prove的过去式用，不一定非要表示被动

作者: 杯uu 时间: 2017-12-20 11:03

鹅皇陛下万岁发表于 2017-6-10 15:21
ron的意思就是proved可以简单作为prove的过去式用，不一定非要表示被动

谢谢啦！！~~~

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