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标题: OG13 SC 第71题 [打印本页]
作者: dragondragon    时间: 2012-5-12 11:02
标题: OG13 SC 第71题
71. Along the major riversthat traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000years
(A) good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
(B) good growing conditionsencouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
(C) of good growingconditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
(D) of good growingconditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
(E) of good growingconditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
E选项中的现在完成进行时为什么不好？此处的现在完成进行时不正是要表达表示从过去某时开始一直持续到现在的动作，并且还将持续下去？ 谢谢！
作者: 上邪    时间: 2012-5-12 15:10
OA:B
idiom: combination of A and B
E doesn't make sense
it means the combination of a reliable supply and the combination of good growing conditions ...we want to say the combination of supply and conditions, E doesn't make sense
i don't think it's a tense problem..although E is abundant , the tense is OK
作者: dragondragon    时间: 2012-5-13 23:02
thanks to 上邪
作者: sherryli    时间: 2012-6-7 19:06
OG 13 lists the reasons why E is incorrect. It mentioned the tense issue.
The use of the present perfect progressive "have been enduring "is not grammatically incorrect,but it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggererated.

Is anybody help to explain why it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggererated. I just feel confused by this explaination.

Thanks!
作者: miffyhui    时间: 2012-7-23 15:57
71. Along the major riversthat traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000years
(A) good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
(B) good growing conditionsencouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
(C) of good growingconditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
(D) of good growingconditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
(E) of good growingconditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
E选项中的现在完成进行时为什么不好？此处的现在完成进行时不正是要表达表示从过去某时开始一直持续到现在的动作，并且还将持续下去？ 谢谢！
-- by 会员 dragondragon (2012/5/12 11:02:32)



同样不明白的顶顶~ 哪位nn来解答时态问题，谢谢
作者: superbat28    时间: 2012-7-23 18:45
71. Along the major riversthat traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000years
(A) good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
(B) good growing conditionsencouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
(C) of good growingconditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
(D) of good growingconditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
(E) of good growingconditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
E选项中的现在完成进行时为什么不好？此处的现在完成进行时不正是要表达表示从过去某时开始一直持续到现在的动作，并且还将持续下去？ 谢谢！
-- by 会员 dragondragon (2012/5/12 11:02:32)




同样不明白的顶顶~ 哪位nn来解答时态问题，谢谢
-- by 会员 miffyhui (2012/7/23 15:57:48)



traditions have endured sth. 是说traditions对这个东西的影响效果从过去持续到现在。
traditions have been enduring sth. 这里enduring是V-ing，更有强调endure这个动词一直在发生的意味，并不好。因为，V-ing一般用于描述的是一个瞬间正在发生的事情，比如I am playing soccer right now.


以后再回述，就会成为I played soccer yesterday. 所以have been enduring就更强调endure这个动作，一直发生啊发生啊发生啊，但不同于have endured的意味是【这个动作过去发生过啊，然后影响一直持续啊持续啊持续啊】
作者: renco    时间: 2012-7-27 09:52
首先CDE看开头of是直接被淘汰的，我不想去纠结这个问题，正确答案应该是B。之所以不用现在完成进行时没有这个必要，这里endure对应的是一种状态，而不是一个持续性的动作，并没有人一直逼迫你离开而你死活要坚持。
作者: qiuhua01234567    时间: 2012-9-2 07:45
71. Along the major riversthat traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India,the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000years
(A) good growing conditionsboth encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
(B) good growing conditionsencouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
(C) of good growingconditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
(D) of good growingconditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
(E) of good growingconditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for
E选项中的现在完成进行时为什么不好？此处的现在完成进行时不正是要表达表示从过去某时开始一直持续到现在的动作，并且还将持续下去？ 谢谢！
-- by 会员 dragondragon (2012/5/12 11:02:32)





同样不明白的顶顶~ 哪位nn来解答时态问题，谢谢
-- by 会员 miffyhui (2012/7/23 15:57:48)




traditions have endured sth. 是说traditions对这个东西的影响效果从过去持续到现在。
traditions have been enduring sth. 这里enduring是V-ing，更有强调endure这个动词一直在发生的意味，并不好。因为，V-ing一般用于描述的是一个瞬间正在发生的事情，比如I am playing soccer right now.


以后再回述，就会成为I played soccer yesterday. 所以have been enduring就更强调endure这个动作，一直发生啊发生啊发生啊，但不同于have endured的意味是【这个动作过去发生过啊，然后影响一直持续啊持续啊持续啊】
-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/7/23 18:45:07)


BAT正解
作者: yiqing2012    时间: 2012-10-1 20:13
endure本来就有就有持久的意思：它在字典中有一种解释是：to remain alive or continue to exist for a long time
　例：friendships which endure over many years
所以不用现在完成进行时就能表达一直持续并可能继续下去的意思
作者: EMMALIULIU    时间: 2012-12-20 01:26
同意楼上，因为endure的意思已经有一种持续意味，所以不需要用进行时。
作者: jay871750293    时间: 2013-4-30 16:41
yiqing2012 发表于 2012-10-1 20:13
endure本来就有就有持久的意思：它在字典中有一种解释是：to remain alive or continue to exist for a lon ...

个人觉得不会是endure表示持久的原因，

其一，比如像wait、study这些单词也可以表示持久或者是延续，但同时也可以用于现在完成进行时，I have been studying English for 8 years

其二，我觉得endure既然可以表示持久的话，那干脆这里连现在完成时也可以不用了，就如同friendships endure over many years这个例句一样，完成时正确，一般时也正确，那还是用现在时更简洁呢

个人想法，欢迎拍砖
作者: season1115    时间: 2013-5-17 00:17
个人看法：have been doing表示过去的动作持续到现在并还会继续下去
          have  done 指标是过去的动作一直持续到现在或者是过去的动作对现在有影响
OG说 it is rhetorically inappropriate and sounds exaggererated。意思是其实作者没有表达farming  traditions会一直endure 下去的意图，所以是inappropriate的和exaggerated的。
欢迎各位大牛拍砖指教。
作者: 15801218581    时间: 2013-8-8 09:44
同意楼上~句意是说farming conditions已经存在了至少6000年了，强调的是“已经存在了好久”，如果用现在完成进行时就变成了“存在了多久”，翻译成中文就是“farming conditions一直存在至少6000年”，这样说很奇怪，一般来讲我们要么说“它一直存在”，要么说“它存在了6000年”，放在一起感觉很混乱。希望能帮到大家~欢迎指教~
作者: 两月速战    时间: 2013-10-19 20:44
哪位能再指点一下这句的句子结构呢？
我是这样理解的，但总觉得怪怪的
combination是主语，开头的along是地点状语。但是感觉combinition是一个抽象的名词，应该作为river的修饰语才对。

到底是怎样的，求指教+_+
作者: Indigolove    时间: 2013-10-21 14:14
Along the major rivers that traverse the deserts of northeast Africa, the Middle East, and northwest India, the combination of a reliable supply of water and good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in at least 6,000 years

(A) good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endure in
(B) good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured for
(C) of good growing conditions have encouraged farming traditions that, in places, endured for
(D) of good growing conditions both encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, endured
(E) of good growing conditions encouraged farming traditions that have, in places, been enduring for


of here is redundant, so we only need to look at A,B

A: the endure here is wrong according to tense

so we go with B







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