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作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-9-27 00:10
标题: gwd-9-30
GWD-9-Q30:


Criminologist: Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime. These legislators argue that such a policy would reduce crime dramatically, since it would take people with a proven tendency to commit crimes off the streets permanently. What this reasoning overlooks, however, is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.



In the argument as a whole, the two boldfaced portions play which of the following roles?



A. The first is a conclusion that the argument as a whole seeks to refute; the second is a claim that has been advanced in support of that conclusion.


B. The first is a conclusion that the argument as a whole seeks to refute; the second is the main conclusion of the argument.


C. The first is the main conclusion of the argument; the second is an objection that has been raised against that conclusion.


D. The first is the main conclusion of the argument; the second is a prediction made on the basis of that conclusion.


E. The first is a generalization about the likely effect of a policy under consideration in the argument; the second points out a group of exceptional cases to which that generalization does not apply.


答案选b,没有问题。


谁能不能翻译一下题目,没看明白。谢谢!


作者: horsefish    时间: 2004-9-27 02:11
以下是引用流沙在2004-9-27 0:10:00的发言:
GWD-9-Q30:



Criminologist: Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime. These legislators argue that such a policy would reduce crime dramatically, since it would take people with a proven tendency to commit crimes off the streets permanently. What this reasoning overlooks, however, is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.








答案选b,没有问题。


谁能不能翻译一下题目,没看明白。谢谢!

MM, 我试着翻译的,凑合看吧. 刑事学者:一些立法者认为应该让那些两次犯重罪,随后又犯重罪的罪犯终身监禁. 这些立法者认为这个政策会剧烈减少犯罪,因为这可以使那些证明可能犯罪的人永远地远离街市.然而,这个推理忽略了那些在监狱待了两期重判的家伙已经老朽到很少能再次犯罪. 让这些罪犯充斥在监狱与我我们的愿望相反, 因为这样监禁年轻的罪犯的能力会收到限制, 这些年轻的罪犯占严重犯罪的大比例.



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作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-9-27 08:59
谢谢马鱼mm,这下明白了
作者: cocoabean    时间: 2005-1-20 09:46

E. The first is a generalization about the likely effect of a policy under consideration

in the argument; the second points out a group of exceptional cases to which that

generalization does not apply.

有谁知道E是什么意思呀? 怎么这么怪异??


作者: yingji    时间: 2005-1-21 10:41
E的翻译是第一句话是一个关于次政策在这种情况下可能产生的影响的一个概括;第二句说是一个第一句的概括并不能够应用的一个特殊的例子
作者: Maggiewjy    时间: 2005-4-26 23:07

thanks NN, clear now/


作者: billion    时间: 2005-5-17 15:29

Criminologist: Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime. These legislators argue that such a policy would reduce crime dramatically, since it would take people with a proven tendency to commit crimes off the streets permanently. What this reasoning overlooks, however, is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.

我怎么觉得 main conclusion 是上面 highlight 出来的部分呢?
请NN帮忙分析一下到底哪部分是全文结论。


作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-27 11:20

我怎么觉得 main conclusion 是上面 highlight 出来的部分呢?


MM没理解那句话。


Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime.


黄色高亮的是一个定从,体会一下


main conclusin就是第二个黑脸,把那个opposit of the edsired effect paraphrase一下就可以了


作者: lingling2005    时间: 2005-6-7 11:17

I have the same question as billion.


I think the advocation by some legislators is one view. The argument "they argue" gives the supported reasoning. Then the argument said that the reasoning is not right. I think this sentence "this reasoning overlooks is that ..." is the conclusion that objects the previous view. but the sentence "Filling..."  is just the supported reason again.


作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-7-10 01:21
这题我觉得BC的区别就在于哪个是main conclusion, 究竟哪个是啊? 我觉得判断起来没有什么头绪, 请教了.
作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2005-7-10 04:52
MAIN IDEA就是该段文作者的主要意思,作者支持的。这篇短文的作者是CRIMINOLOGIST。他/她到底要支持什麽,表达什麽,不难看出吧。第一句BOLD可是LEGISTLATORS的意见,是CRIMINOLOGIST要反对的。
作者: aloha    时间: 2005-7-14 00:04

Criminologist: Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime. These legislators argue that such a policy would reduce crime dramatically, since it would take people with a proven tendency to commit crimes off the streets permanently. What this reasoning overlooks, however, is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.









我对这个答案选b,没有问题。但我不明白这篇文章的逻辑推理。


第一句话:一些立法者认为应该让那些两次犯重罪,随后第三次又犯罪的罪犯终身监禁.


第三句话:然而,这个推理忽略了那些在监狱待了两期重判的家伙已经老朽到很少能再次犯罪.


最后句话:让这些罪犯充斥在监狱与我我们的愿望相反, 因为这样监禁年轻的罪犯的能力会收到限制, 这些年轻的罪犯占严重犯罪的大比例.


由第一句话可知只有犯第3次罪的人才终身监禁。第三句说老家伙们不可能再犯第3次罪。所以我觉得这些老家伙们不可能再进监狱。可文中最后句话说这些老家伙还是可能进监狱的。我没看明白这是怎么推出来的,谁能指点一下。谢谢!


作者: aloha    时间: 2005-7-15 06:31
up!
作者: pengpengming    时间: 2005-7-22 10:18
最后一句话说老家伙们充满监狱是expectation,是作者根据legislators的建议预期的可能结果.
作者: fatlara    时间: 2005-9-22 16:17
以下是引用aloha在2005-7-14 0:04:00的发言:

Criminologist: Some legislators advocate mandating a sentence of life in prison for anyone who, having twice served sentences for serious crimes, is subsequently convicted of a third serious crime. These legislators argue that such a policy would reduce crime dramatically, since it would take people with a proven tendency to commit crimes off the streets permanently. What this reasoning overlooks, however, is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.









我对这个答案选b,没有问题。但我不明白这篇文章的逻辑推理。


第一句话:一些立法者认为应该让那些两次犯重罪,随后第三次又犯罪的罪犯终身监禁.


第三句话:然而,这个推理忽略了那些在监狱待了两期重判的家伙已经老朽到很少能再次犯罪.


最后句话:让这些罪犯充斥在监狱与我我们的愿望相反, 因为这样监禁年轻的罪犯的能力会收到限制, 这些年轻的罪犯占严重犯罪的大比例.


由第一句话可知只有犯第3次罪的人才终身监禁。第三句说老家伙们不可能再犯第3次罪。所以我觉得这些老家伙们不可能再进监狱。可文中最后句话说这些老家伙还是可能进监狱的。我没看明白这是怎么推出来的,谁能指点一下。谢谢!


同问~~

如上的红色原文到底是个什么意思,,,?

是说:"老家伙们已经没可能再进监狱"了的话,和后面"老家伙占用了监狱的资源"难道不矛盾么?

help~~~~~~严重不明白~~


作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-14 17:29

请问E错在哪里?


thanks a lot


作者: yyallez    时间: 2006-5-10 23:19

我觉得此题应该选E!



作者: shzzhengfan    时间: 2006-5-29 10:39

 people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime

这句话的意思是,那些人不太可能犯第四次罪,注意表达:more than one subsequent crime。所以,把这些犯三次罪的德人盼终身监禁没有必要。


作者: danniepop    时间: 2006-7-16 03:24

看了半天讨论还是没看懂。

第一个bf是legislator的conclusion啊,c答案是说main conclusion of the argument

e为什么不对啊???


作者: zhaoyak7    时间: 2006-8-1 14:03
以下是引用lawyer_1在2005-7-10 4:52:00的发言:
MAIN IDEA就是该段文作者的主要意思,作者支持的。这篇短文的作者是CRIMINOLOGIST。他/她到底要支持什麽,表达什麽,不难看出吧。第一句BOLD可是LEGISTLATORS的意见,是CRIMINOLOGIST要反对的。

律师已经把这个问题回答的很清楚了,而且偶以为lawyer_1回答还提示了一个重要的思路,就是“全局把握”。你如果知道了这些刑事学家想表达的本意(即终身监禁没用,反而不利于制裁严重犯罪),答案就迎刃而解了。其实很多题目都是这样的。
作者: maggiecookies    时间: 2006-8-28 15:31
以下是引用lawyer_1在2005-7-10 4:52:00的发言:
MAIN IDEA就是该段文作者的主要意思,作者支持的。这篇短文的作者是CRIMINOLOGIST。他/她到底要支持什麽,表达什麽,不难看出吧。第一句BOLD可是LEGISTLATORS的意见,是CRIMINOLOGIST要反对的。

LAWYER 厉害. !! B,C的区别我明白了!!
作者: sameoldstory    时间: 2007-10-1 23:52
我也来问一下,E为什么不对啊?
作者: 阳光小美女    时间: 2008-2-2 14:55
以下是引用sameoldstory在2007-10-1 23:52:00的发言:
我也来问一下,E为什么不对啊?

同问。。。虽然B肯定没有错,但E好像也没问题呀?


作者: daizypig    时间: 2008-3-26 21:35
同问!我觉得E很贴切亚!
作者: lemony55    时间: 2008-3-28 11:17

是的,同意LS,刚开始我也想选B,后来看到E觉得更具体,况且后面说:

is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.

说明对于younger 来说是不适用的 。请指教!


作者: daizypig    时间: 2008-4-1 17:40

up


作者: shirley8707    时间: 2008-5-11 16:52
lawyer
作者: twang1981    时间: 2008-6-19 22:19
选E..我觉得
作者: russellguo    时间: 2008-7-3 13:45

顶一下,第一次选B,第二次选E了。

我觉得可能的原因是:题目中有一个however,所以选项中应该正确的表达出支持和反对两种意思,而E显然没有。但是题设中有一个Filling our prisons with such individuals
                        
would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect,  such individuals对着E选项的 a group of exceptional cases正合适呀


作者: SuccessMBA08    时间: 2008-7-5 12:05
11楼解释的真清楚. 牛!
作者: 夜凉如水    时间: 2008-7-19 22:32

These legislators argue that 表示 第一部分是个 结论

 however 表示转折 作者不同意

第二部分 后面 since 表示前面那句 结论

为了节约时间 BF题只看部分呢,这样可行不? 


作者: casforain    时间: 2008-9-3 12:16
顶,E为什么不对啊。。。看到E之前就想选B,看到E之后,就把B放弃了
作者: SuccessMBA08    时间: 2008-9-14 11:24
以下是引用lawyer_1在2005-7-10 4:52:00的发言:
MAIN IDEA就是该段文作者的主要意思,作者支持的。这篇短文的作者是CRIMINOLOGIST。他/她到底要支持什麽,表达什麽,不难看出吧。第一句BOLD可是LEGISTLATORS的意见,是CRIMINOLOGIST要反对的。

今天第二次做这题,觉得lawyer说的太好了。!!


作者: dingdongdong    时间: 2008-12-26 23:27
以下是引用lemony55在2008-3-28 11:17:00的发言:

是的,同意LS,刚开始我也想选B,后来看到E觉得更具体,况且后面说:

is that people old enough to have served two prison sentences for serious crimes rarely commit more than one subsequent crime. Filling our prisons with such individuals would have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, since it would limit our ability to incarcerate younger criminals, who commit a far greater proportion of serious crimes.

说明对于younger 来说是不适用的 。请指教!

E.      The first is a generalization about the likely effect of a policy under consideration in the argument; the second points out a group of exceptional cases to which that generalization does not apply.

注意后半部分,第二个指出一些特例,而原文中只是一个例子、


作者: tracy2009    时间: 2009-5-12 19:30

关于B/E之争,我第一次选了B, review时选了E, 仔细看了一下, 还是赞同B,原因如下:

第一个BF是 legislators 的观点, 通过紧接着的however可以知道, 作者是反对该观点的.

作者的观点在however之后, 所以第二个BF是作者的conclusion.

第二个BF前面那句话是例子,而接下来的BF不是,所以E错

open to discuss


作者: xiaoniuren    时间: 2009-7-29 15:58

DING


作者: 程喷喷    时间: 2010-7-4 12:33
好帖要顶!!!!!
这题我做的时候纠结了半天, 订正的时候又纠结了半天, 搜到这篇帖子从第一页看到第4页, 还是纠结....B还是E呢?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

回去看了下原题, 突然恍然大悟!!!!!

原来纠结出在overlook这个词上! 因此才会出现是反驳还是指出忽略了某个情况的纠结.....

仔细看原文,发现overlook所指的不是忽略了某个特例,而是抽象的,,,忽略了某个思维逻辑上的关卡,也就是assumption...因为overlook后的内容说的是那些犯两起严重的案子而经历了两次耗费生命的牢狱时间后就很老了,老的很难再犯案了~~~这不是exceptional cases,而是必然的case~~~
因此E是错误的~~~~

B才是正确的!




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