16. Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
In choices A and C, the construction that still has..., and where modifies Minnesota with clauses that are not grammatically parallel(怎么不平行了???). In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota—that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep. Choice D is grammatically constructed, but it lacks a conjunction that establishes a logical relation between the clauses; since Minnesota as a grammatical subject is separated from the clause following the semicolon, the statement there need not even pertain to Minnesota. In E, the best choice, the parallel construction of where... and where... allows both clauses to modify Minnesota.
請教
石頭人前輩說的 狀從= adv clause嗎?
OG上頭寫 where.... and where .... allows both clauses to modify Minnesota
我認為where 子句是定從, 請幫我確認好嗎,謝謝
同问,为什么不平行, 我觉得that... 和 where都是定语从句啊? 为什么ETS说他们不平行呢? 请高人解惑
如果是定从干嘛在where前面加,and?og上说过, and后面只能接independent clause吧?直白点,明明E就两个where用and连得开开心心的,一看就是平行选项的标志嘛,再加上state表地点可以用where,不用改成in which还不选啊?如果要用,and,comma前面必须是插入成分,这里没有吧?这些足以用来选这道题了。
where和that都是限制性定语从句引导词。但‘,’+where应该是非限制的说,这个倒无所谓,没出现过。
同问,为什么不平行, 我觉得that... 和 where都是定语从句啊? 为什么ETS说他们不平行呢? 请高人解惑
上面这个问题到底怎么回事
that是一定引导定语从句了 那这里的where到底是在引导什么从句?
如果把逗号去掉 是不是that和where就可以平行了 都是定语从句
这个逗号到底是什么意图???
如果是定从干嘛在where前面加,and?og上说过, and后面只能接independent clause吧?直白点,明明E就两个where用and连得开开心心的,一看就是平行选项的标志嘛,再加上state表地点可以用where,不用改成in which还不选啊?如果要用,and,comma前面必须是插入成分,这里没有吧?这些足以用来选这道题了。
where和that都是限制性定语从句引导词。但‘,’+where应该是非限制的说,这个倒无所谓,没出现过。
OG中的平行不是单纯的看where和where一样就一定平行的
主要还是看所做的成分 如果都是状语从句 用的词不一样也可以平行的
有个题 就是 to 的表目的的状语从句和where的状语从句并列
如果是定从干嘛在where前面加,and?og上说过, and后面只能接independent clause吧?直白点,明明E就两个where用and连得开开心心的,一看就是平行选项的标志嘛,再加上state表地点可以用where,不用改成in which还不选啊?
这句话是什么意思?
本题(C)选项最想厘清的是 1.comma是否影响平行 如果改成where…,and where…是对的吗?OG中的平行不是单纯的看where和where一样就一定平行的
主要还是看所做的成分 如果都是状语从句 用的词不一样也可以平行的
有个题 就是 to 的表目的的状语从句和where的状语从句并列
2. 我同意po_po72的说法,不应该单看where… and where… 总觉得是从答案硬推回这个结果NN,盼给解答! 严重感谢!!!
第一个where怎么看出来引导的是状语从句?
这题又做错了,我做这题思路是这样的:
B:where形容population错,
D:用分号分割2个完全无关的句子,不好,排除
剩下ACE都是两个定语从句并列。
如果使用C和E,则后边 this predator没有指代,因为C、E中wolves是复数。同时,E使用there be句型不好。所以最后选了A。
OG中说that和where不平行是什么意思?不都是定语从句吗?
如果是定从干嘛在where前面加,and?og上说过, and后面只能接independent clause吧?直白点,明明E就两个where用and连得开开心心的,一看就是平行选项的标志嘛,再加上state表地点可以用where,不用改成in which还不选啊?
这句话是什么意思?
本题(C)选项最想厘清的是 1.comma是否影响平行 如果改成where…,and where…是对的吗?OG中的平行不是单纯的看where和where一样就一定平行的
主要还是看所做的成分 如果都是状语从句 用的词不一样也可以平行的
有个题 就是 to 的表目的的状语从句和where的状语从句并列
2. 我同意po_po72的说法,不应该单看where… and where… 总觉得是从答案硬推回这个结果NN,盼给解答! 严重感谢!!!
过了一礼拜了 自己顶一下
两个定语从句用逗号+and并列应该没有问题.
请看OG246:Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again(C)
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity
这里两个定语从句用逗号+but连接就是正确的。
还是不明白225题A、C中that、where有什么不平行?
我記得 and 前面加"," 是連結兩個獨立子句才行
在這 不管是狀語還是定語 都是從句 應該不算是獨例子句
所以不可以加","吧
請討論
这道题我是在C和E之间犹豫了一下后然后选的C, 我没有选E的理由是它出现的there is 结构,我在听xdf网络课堂的时候,老愈是这么讲的在GMAT语法中,除非是万不得以,后面实在是没有动词,否则用there be 句型全是错误。怎么在这里这个原则就不适用呢?请各位帮忙解答!
这道题我是在C和E之间犹豫了一下后然后选的C, 我没有选E的理由是它出现的there is 结构,我在听xdf网络课堂的时候,老愈是这么讲的在GMAT语法中,除非是万不得以,后面实在是没有动词,否则用there be 句型全是错误。怎么在这里这个原则就不适用呢?请各位帮忙解答!
和我的思路完全一样,我也是因为there is 将E排除。我想这道题的关键是E用了两个where,比C更平行吧。选择最好的。
继续顶
两个定语从句用逗号+and并列应该没有问题.
请看OG246:Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again(C)
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity
这里两个定语从句用逗号+but连接就是正确的。
还是不明白225题A、C中that、where有什么不平行?
1、there be与has/have是否适用于非生物物体,这个毫无疑问都可以,讨论已经给出大米和蛋白质那个例子。
2、,and 是否只连独立句子,这个结论不成立。
除了讨论给出的例子,还有下面的定从1,定从2,and 定从3中的,and定从3如何理解?
3、平行并不要求绝对平行,that定从和where定从是可以由and连接,就像分词定语和定从并列修饰同一个被修饰对象,又或者形容词和定从并列修饰也有,关键是必须保证它们的功能相同。
4、这里的定从不是修饰states,而是修饰one(代指Minnesota)。
基于以上的讨论,这题A、C、E都符合语法要求,在这个情况下我们要选出最佳答案,是否应该选最整齐匹配形式的选项,E语法正确而且形式上绝对一致。
另外,个人认为A的a sizable wolf population比a sizable population of wolves 简洁,不知对否?请教。
'A sizable wolf', or 'asizable population', it is ambiguous;
So, 'a sizable population of wolf' would be better.
OG-225. Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota—that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
偶以为ETS对B项的解释不够认真:where怎么可能修饰wolf population呢?一点逻辑头脑都没有。由于翻遍了225的帖子也没有看到对此项的讨论,那位朋友能否再给指点一下?
谢谢!
如果是定语从句,that修饰能跳跃吗?我记得which修饰能跳跃。
如果不能跳跃,只能说根据答案判断这个句子为状语从句。
如果是定语从句,that修饰能跳跃吗?我记得which修饰能跳跃。
that一般不可以跳跃修饰。因为that起修饰作用时只能是限定的并且修饰紧贴在她前面的先行词。which也不能跳跃修饰,无论是否限定,都就近修饰前面的名词。
例外:由连词连接几个定从,这时候定从是“跳跃”修饰。
that..., that..., and that.....
如果不能跳跃,只能说根据答案判断这个句子为状语从句。
正确答案里是两个where定从修饰Minnesota。
endless_tao said:
偶以为ETS对B项的解释不够认真:where怎么可能修饰wolf population呢?一点逻辑头脑都没有。由于翻遍了225的帖子也没有看到对此项的讨论,那位朋友能否再给指点一下?
I have the same confusion with the explaination of OG for choice B.
In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where ... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota--that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
I got grammer from CD that "comma + who/which/where is nonrestritive clause". Hence why OG explain B as the restrictive modification?
Please help.
看了大家的讨论,个人认为是不是这样:
A,C中的that...., and where 都是定语从句,都是修饰the only one (Minnesota), 但是不正确的原因是,在第二个从句前有一个","使得后面的句子变成非限定性定语从句,而前面that引导的仍然是限定性定语从句,所以两个不平行.
D中的where...and where...我认为两个也都是定语从句,性质一致,可以平行。
一家之言/
严重同意tonyadidas
","+where就把where的引导的定语从句变成非限定性定从 一个限定性的从句(that)+,非限定(and where) 当然不平行
个人的拙见: 表示存在目前我看到过的有三种
(1)has
(2)exist
(3)there is
好像命题人的喜好在于there, 但是这个也不唯一 希望大家多多总结
OG-225. Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota—that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
偶以为ETS对B项的解释不够认真:where怎么可能修饰wolf population呢?一点逻辑头脑都没有。由于翻遍了225的帖子也没有看到对此项的讨论,那位朋友能否再给指点一下?
谢谢!
我也有相同的问题,逻辑上似也不可能修饰wolf population的,GMAT SC不是逻辑最大吗?近两天的题怎么总是跟这条原则矛盾 之前做227时我对于OG对代词指代问题的解释极为困惑,跟在前辈的旧帖中发了一帖,但过了一天还没有人来解答
对于本题的B我觉得从语法上可以把where引导的分句看成前面那个分句的状语从句,但从逻辑上没有E好,因为“狼仍是牛羊的天敌”与“狼的数量大”意思上是并列的,而且并列以后this指代也更明确
另外,我还有个问题就是:“,”+and一定是引导独立的句子吗?前面的帖子似乎说不一定,但举的例子我觉得很奇怪,因为定从1,定从2,and定从3用逗号的原因是这是三个并列,如果用两个并列呢?还需要用逗号吗?我觉得不能用吧?否则确实有与主句并列的嫌疑(个人看法)
请大家指教!!!
如果是定从干嘛在where前面加,and?og上说过, and后面只能接independent clause吧?直白点,明明E就两个where用and连得开开心心的,一看就是平行选项的标志嘛,再加上state表地点可以用where,不用改成in which还不选啊?如果要用,and,comma前面必须是插入成分,这里没有吧?这些足以用来选这道题了。
where和that都是限制性定语从句引导词。但‘,’+where应该是非限制的说,这个倒无所谓,没出现过。
我不同意这里where引导状语从句.
where 引导的定语从句还是状语从句有区别的.
1,首先,如果是定语从句,那么必须要有先行词,然后where引导的从句修饰(定)这个先行词.
eg: I went to the place where you told me.(我去了那个地方,就是那个你对我说的地方)
She has arrived at the location where ETS was killed.(她到达了那个地点,(甚么地点呢?)就是ETS被杀的地方)
where在从句内部当作地点状语,但是整个从句是修饰先行词的.比如上面例子里的"the place"和"the location".
2,状语从句. where引导状语从句不出现先行词,整个从句作为主句的状语.
eg: You'd better make a mark where you don't understand. (你最好在你不懂的地方做个标记)
I found my book where I lost it. (我在丢书的地方找到了我的书)
所以从上面的例子来看, where是引导定语从句修饰 the only one的,所以是定语从句.
至于说为啥AC里面,that从句和where从句不平行,还没有想明白....
还是没有想明白,不过按照"答案是比出来的"这个想法,E明显更加对称,所以更优选.
不过还是期望NN能解释一下,为啥OG说AC里面"语法上不平行"
看了好多讨论贴,也没有结论,自己感觉:
1,关于平行:不知道ETS关于平行对连接两个定语从句而言是什摸要求.如果说要平行到先行词在从句中的成分和功能也要求一致的话,那就只有选E了.因为前面A,B,C中的先行词在第一个从句中做主语,而在第二个从句中做状语
2,不是很明白A,B,C中的在第二个从句前用逗号的表示方法.不知道这是不是个错误.我们只知道ETS说明在连接两个独立从句的时候应该用逗号+and隔开,但是在连接两个从句的时候是不是也可以这样呢?
我自己觉得定语从句实际上是起修饰作用的,就象形容词,并不代表独立的句子,所以连接他们的时候,应该是不要逗号的.
请NN帮忙解答!!
OG-225. Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota—that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
既然where是定从的话, 那么B选项后面的where前面有逗号一定是非限定性定语从句啦. 是修饰全句的. 又怎么可能像OG那样修饰population呢? 晕啊. NN快出来吧?
OG-225. Minnesota is the only one of the contiguous forty-eight states that still has a sizable wolf population, and where this predator remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
(A) that still has a sizable wolf population, and where
(B) that still has a sizable wolf population, where
(C) that still has a sizable population of wolves, and where
(D) where the population of wolves is still sizable;
(E) where there is still a sizable population of wolves and where
In choice B, the omission of and illogically makes the where... clause modify wolf population rather than Minnesota—that is, choice B says in effect that the wolf population is where the wolf remains the archenemy of cattle and sheep.
既然where是定从的话, 那么B选项后面的where前面有逗号一定是非限定性定语从句啦. 是修饰全句的. 又怎么可能像OG那样修饰population呢? 晕啊. NN快出来吧?
这句话where应该是定语从句吧, 状语从句应该是在主句中作状语的, 这句话明显不是作状语, 而是对某个词的修饰, 这句话考的就是平行的相对性, 从语法的角度, A除了","有点问题之外, 没啥大毛病, 不过E表意功能上比A更强大. 在中文的书面语中也应该是这样吧, 连续用形式都一样的两个排比, 肯定比一高一矮更有说服力吧.
讨论了N年了,同志们连定从、状从还没有一个一致意见,晕倒。
建议那些认为是状从的xdjm们把你们的句子翻译成中文,看看怎么样能把这个从句插入成状语。
A的that和where都修饰the only one。the only one是一个比较特殊的固定搭配,定语从句用单数。
语法规则要求the only one不同于one,one等不定代词做先行词的定语从句只能用that作引导词!
如果本句表语是the one of the states而不是the only one of the states,那么表语的中心语就成为了states,the one of只是表示数量而已,只有states才能发生那些动作,one不能。所以为什么说the only one是比较特殊的,在定从中具有特殊的地位。
严重同意37、38、39楼ggjj的意见,这道题考的是平行。用where是为了达到两个定从引导词在形式(关系副词)和成分(在主句中修饰表语the only one,在定从中做状语表地点)上都做到绝对平行的目的。OG还不惜用了where there is这样一个十足别扭的表达方式,可见Parallelism在GMAT中的重要性!!!
另外,我个人认为两个平行定从中前一个是限定性定语从句时,后一个如果是非限定性定从就可以用逗号加and来连接,因为如果它真是非限定定从,而非限定性定从本身的结构组织方式来看就是要逗号,你又能有什么办法呢?但是本题的第二个从句是限定性的,再考虑平行的要求,所以不用加逗号。
主要还是OG中解释的那句话:where从句和that从句are not grammatically parallel,所以想弄明白这个问题,而之前很多人的讨论还局限于什么比较原则选最好的答案之类的,这题要选出一个正确答案的话用脚趾头就能做了还用上CD来讨论?唉,已经快要考了,希望后来人能把这个问题解决吧。
还是建议大家再对比一下246,下结论之前好好想想
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