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标题: OG12 SC-37 关于so as to do 的用法 [打印本页]

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-13 15:07
标题: OG12 SC-37 关于so as to do 的用法
37.Although schistosomiasis is not often fatal, it is so
debilitating that it has become an economic drain on
many developing countries.

(A)it is so debilitating that it has become an
economic

(B)it is of such debilitation, it has become an
economical

(C)so debilitating is it as to become an economic

(D)such is its debilitation, it becomes an
economical

(E)there is so much debilitation that it has become
an economical

问题：C为什么不对呢？我查了一些资料，首先so... as to后面的动作发出的逻辑主语要跟as前面的主语一致，C也满足呀~然后牛津词典上也有个例句：I'm not so stupid as to believe that!C好像也符合呀~求NN帮看一下！~谢谢啦~

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-13 15:25
怎么没有人呀~~自已顶一下！~另外OG的解释是The construction so x as to y is not a correct
idiom.！我觉得OG的解释不对~不知道问题出在哪里了~~

作者: 爱眠梦的咸鱼 时间: 2012-3-13 15:50
不应该倒装吧。

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-13 16:14
为什么不可以倒装呢？难道so as to不能用倒装吗？

作者: 爱眠梦的咸鱼 时间: 2012-3-13 19:38
标题: 我认为是这样的，你可以再搜搜帖子。XDF李希强老师讲的C项错在so as to不能+句子，仅供参考。

为什么不可以倒装呢？难道so as to不能用倒装吗？

-- by 会员 leonnong (2012/3/13 16:14:20)

作者: hiiii 时间: 2012-3-16 00:49
顶！我也觉得这个题疑点很多，so as to 不是说更简洁吗？怎么og上说it's not a correct idiom???

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-3-16 10:18
Please help urself and search "I am so ugly as to"....
I cited Ron's explanation there.

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-17 00:05

Please help urself and search "I am so ugly as to"....
I cited Ron's explanation there.

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/16 10:18:35)

谢谢baby的提醒，我已经找到了！~
in general, you don't use so ADJ as to VERB unless the VERB describes some sort of state/condition. i.e., if the verb is an action verb, this construction generally isn't used.
for instance,
i am so ugly as to be viscerally repulsive to women. --> this works, because the verb “to be” describes a state/condition.
i am so ugly as to repel women on sight. --> you generally wouldn't see this in good writing, as “repel” is an action verb; the sentence would probably be written as i am so ugly that i repel women on sight.

再次非常感谢！！

作者: yiayia 时间: 2012-3-17 11:01
恩因为C it是代词，所以部分倒装。
一直不懂为什么OG说 so x as to y is not a correct idiom.
另外become不是action verb（不知道是不是我们常说的及物，不及物动词）吧，also describes a state/condition,属于linking verb(连系动词)

RON的说法挺认可的：
The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”
so unrealistic as to constitute[相当于be ]
so unrealistic they constituted
so unrealistic that they have constituted
unrealistic enough so that they constitute（A）
unrealistic enough so as to constitute

constitute可以做linking verb，也可以做transitive verb，在本题是linking verb.
[linking verb, not in progressive] to be considered to be something　Failing to complete the work constitutes a breach of the employment contract.　The rise in crime constitutes a threat to society.

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-17 12:23

Please help urself and search "I am so ugly as to"....
I cited Ron's explanation there.

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/16 10:18:35)

对了，baby，那按照RON说的和下面那人说的，become不是action verb，也能describe state or condition呀？那C为什么不能算对呢？不懂了

作者: leonnong 时间: 2012-3-17 12:24
对呀~那为什么C不能算对呢？？

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-3-17 13:06
我自己的理解
1. 这里"become"是action verb，因为强调这个动作, 从not be到be这个动作.
这个我不知道怎么从语法上解释，就是靠感觉（我又想说dicision-making靠limbic brain）。比如你朗读一下Ron给的句子：
I am so ugly as to be viscerally repulsive to women.
我会按以下节奏和重音去读：
I am sooooo ugly as-to-be viscerally repulsive to women
粗体表示重读，灰色表示弱读，就说这里"as to be"是很弱的，一带而过的，这句话就读起来非常顺。
而假如我读这个句子
I am so ugly as to repel women. (WRONG)
我不得不重读"repel"来强调这个动作，但这样一来，整个"so .... as to"的节奏就被破坏了，就很不协调:
I am sooooo ugly as to repel women.
就说"so ... as to"有其特定的韵律，而Ron讲的，如果这后面是描述状态，那么恰好我不用强调"be"，不用强调"constitute"(yiayia给的例子），就很协调。
而如果以上句子，我把be换成become，就不协调了，因为become是强调一个动作，从not be到be这个动作，我不能弱读become，所以就不能用不协调的"so ... as to become".

2. 也许如下解释你更能接受：
原句里"it has become"有意思的啊，同学。英文的时态不是摆设，时态是表达含义的。verb tense is meaningful.
而你如果选C, "so debilitating is it as to become an economic"，原句的present perfect的意思就丢掉了啊！
What's worse -
In C, the infinitive "to become" is associated with simple present tense ("is it"), and thus describes an action supposed to happen in the near future. Just think about a simple example, "I have a book to read", here you mean you will read this book in the future.
Therefore, C changes the original meaning. Because the original meaning makes logical sense, this change in meaning is unacceptable.

其实以上两点，我觉得是统一的。
这题原句里的"become"，不单单是个action verb，强调从not be到be这个过程，而且其时态还表达了含义的。因此，C错。

37.Although schistosomiasis is not often fatal, it is so
debilitating that it has become an economic drain on
many developing countries.
(A)it is so debilitating that it has become an
economic
(B)it is of such debilitation, it has become an
economical
(C)so debilitating is it as to become an economic
(D)such is its debilitation, it becomes an
economical
(E)there is so much debilitation that it has become
an economical

问题：C为什么不对呢？我查了一些资料，首先so... as to后面的动作发出的逻辑主语要跟as前面的主语一致，C也满足呀~然后牛津词典上也有个例句：I'm not so stupid as to believe that!C好像也符合呀~求NN帮看一下！~谢谢啦~

-- by 会员 leonnong (2012/3/13 15:07:10)

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-3-17 13:10
"一直不懂为什么OG说 so x as to y is not a correct idiom."
Ron说了，OG瞎扯，forget about it. 知道"so ... as to"什么时候用就行。

我认为become是action verb，我不太懂linking verb的语法术语，但我觉得就是从意思上去理解，become强调的是从不是到是的一个变化过程，所以体现了action. 你举的例子里, constitute没有体现一个动作，仅仅是体现了一个状态(as a part of a whole). 在我的理解里，appear/consist这些应该不算action verb，就是因为没有体现action.

恩因为C it是代词，所以部分倒装。
一直不懂为什么OG说 so x as to y is not a correct idiom.
另外become不是action verb（不知道是不是我们常说的及物，不及物动词）吧，also describes a state/condition,属于linking verb(连系动词)

RON的说法挺认可的：
The Emperor Augustus, it appears, commissioned an idealized sculptured portrait, the features of which are so unrealistic as to constitute what one scholar calls an “artificial face.”
so unrealistic as to constitute[相当于be ]
so unrealistic they constituted
so unrealistic that they have constituted
unrealistic enough so that they constitute（A）
unrealistic enough so as to constitute

constitute可以做linking verb，也可以做transitive verb，在本题是linking verb.
[linking verb, not in progressive] to be considered to be something　Failing to complete the work constitutes a breach of the employment contract.　The rise in crime constitutes a threat to society.

-- by 会员 yiayia (2012/3/17 11:01:14)

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-3-17 13:22
==
刚看到Ron的长篇发言，慢慢体会下
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/manhattan-sc-guide-has-an-incorrect-idiom-t2566.html

看Ron的吧，假如我说的和他有矛盾以他为准

作者: yiayia 时间: 2012-3-17 15:17

对呀~那为什么C不能算对呢？？

-- by 会员 leonnong (2012/3/17 12:24:07)

少年，看我第一句，这里应该用部分倒装！！！！！

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-3-17 15:53
先前看到就像你说的，Ron也说C的问题在于倒装

对呀~那为什么C不能算对呢？？

-- by 会员 leonnong (2012/3/17 12:24:07)

少年，看我第一句，这里应该用部分倒装！！！！！

-- by 会员 yiayia (2012/3/17 15:17:42)

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-5-2 14:43
用代词就需要使用部分倒装？有这样的rule么？

-- by 会员 yiayia (2012/3/17 11:01:14)

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-5-2 14:48
baby姐你给的连接里面说C的问题是在于不应当使用倒装，他强调的是so X as to Y中的X应当是adj/adv，而C中使用到装的话就相当于插入了一个clause。
而yiayia说的是因为是代词，所以使用部分倒装，说法不太一样。
我的疑问是1.yiayia说的因为是代词所以部分倒装这个原则，是适用于一般的倒装么？2.按照这个连接中的说法，那么我们是否就可以理解为so x as to y这个表达方式就不能使用倒装了，因为一倒装的话就会把主语谓语插入到so 与as to之间？3.....那个链接中的christiancryan是Ron大神？？

==
刚看到Ron的长篇发言，慢慢体会下
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/manhattan-sc-guide-has-an-incorrect-idiom-t2566.html

看Ron的吧，假如我说的和他有矛盾以他为准

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/3/17 13:22:22)

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-5-2 22:21
求解答啊求解答

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-5-3 17:21
顶一下

作者: lm5054 时间: 2012-5-4 15:42
I am so ugly as to

作者: Jliiin 时间: 2013-1-27 00:20
so

作者: emiliejiang 时间: 2014-2-22 21:21

babybearmm 发表于 2012-3-16 10:18
Please help urself and search "I am so ugly as to"....I cited Ron's explanation there.

谢谢你，真的！

作者: xp111 时间: 2014-2-22 21:46
答案选A吗？

作者: leochenfc 时间: 2015-12-18 16:32

xp111 发表于 2014-2-22 21:46
答案选A吗？

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