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标题: og 12 SC 100,急求NN解答！！！太困惑了！！！求解答求解答！！ [打印本页]

作者: ainiAnnie 时间: 2012-3-5 20:33
标题: og 12 SC 100,急求NN解答！！！太困惑了！！！求解答求解答！！

100. The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds, are in motion just as the planets are, yet being so far away from Earth that their apparent positions in the sky do not change enough for their movement to be observed during a single human lifetime.

(A) The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds, are in motion just as the planets are, yet being

(B) Like the planets, the stars are in motion, some of them at tremendous speeds, but they are

(D) As the planets, the stars are in motion, some of them at tremendous speeds, but they are

(E) The stars are in motion like the planets, some of which at tremendous speeds are in motion but

Grammatical construction; Rhetorical

construction

The first part of the original sentence intends to compare stars and planets; the comparison would be more effective at the beginning of the sentence: Like the planets, the stars. This alternative construction would lead the reader to expect the verb are immediately following the subject, and then the completion of the clause, in motion. Q1The modifying phrase, some of them at tremendousspeeds, is best placed after motion. This whole construction, Like the planets, the stars are inmotion, some of them at tremendous speeds, is a main clause and must be followed by a comma before a coordinating conjunction (such as yet or but)

introduces a second main clause. The second clause must have a subject and a verb; being is

neither and must be replaced with they are.

A Placements of the modifying phrase and the comparison are awkward and ineffective;

being provides neither a subject nor a verb for the second main clause.

B Correct. The comparison is clear and effective in this sentence; the second clause

includes a subject and a verb.

C Both although and yet indicate contrast, so only one of them may be used; wordy,

awkward phrasing leads to an ungrammatical construction that lacks a

subject and verb for the second clause.

D The preposition like must be used for a comparison of two nouns; the subordinating

conjunction as would need to introduce a subordinate clause.

E Placement of like the planets is awkward; Q2some of which is awkward and ambiguous;arein motion is said twice; subject and verb of the second clause are omitted.

The correct answer is B.

Q1：如果说some of them at tremendousspeeds是修饰短语，不是应该放在它做修饰的名词 star 后面最好么？？为什么说放在 motion后面最好了？？

Q2：some of which怎么就awkward and ambiguous了，我看到bat 前辈的一个帖子上讲which 后面应该跟完整的句子，这一点没有异议，正确的句子应该是The stars are in motion, some of which are at tremendous speeds.我想知道 some of which are at tremendous speeds. 是一个什么结构，如果是修饰的话，which不应该紧跟它所修饰的名词么？？呼唤bat！！！

最后请哪位NN能分析一下这个句子的结构。。。不慎感激。。。

谢谢~~~

作者: ainiAnnie 时间: 2012-3-5 20:34

作者: superbat28 时间: 2012-3-5 21:45
Q1: 整个修饰语应该是独立主格吧（如果我没记错，好久没系统看语法了。。）
独立主格，性质上相当于状语。所以，some of them at tremendous speed,更应该是修饰前面主句整句话的，表示一种【in motion的状态，是有些速度特别快】，所以放在主句后。

Q2: 你看看manhattan，我记得上面有些过这些区分的，哪些是对的哪些是错的。
典型正确的写法有：
ex1: The stars are in motion, some of them at tremendous speed.
ex2: The stars are in motion, some at tremendous speed.
以上两者，后半句都是独立主格。

ex3: The stars are in motion, some of which are at tremendous speed.
这里的后半句，是定语从句，所以要跟完整句子。

作者: ainiAnnie 时间: 2012-3-5 22:26

Q1: 整个修饰语应该是独立主格吧（如果我没记错，好久没系统看语法了。。）
独立主格，性质上相当于状语。所以，some of them at tremendous speed,更应该是修饰前面主句整句话的，表示一种【in motion的状态，是有些速度特别快】，所以放在主句后。

Q2: 你看看manhattan，我记得上面有些过这些区分的，哪些是对的哪些是错的。
典型正确的写法有：
ex1: The stars are in motion, some of them at tremendous speed.
ex2: The stars are in motion, some at tremendous speed.
以上两者，后半句都是独立主格。

ex3: The stars are in motion, some of which are at tremendous speed.
这里的后半句，是定语从句，所以要跟完整句子。

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

好开心啊后开心~~bat真是大好人，这么快就给解答了~小M我才看到第九章，后面还没看到。。。
总之谢谢啦~~灰常感谢~

作者: merseychase 时间: 2012-4-8 16:28

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

好开心啊后开心~~bat真是大好人，这么快就给解答了~小M我才看到第九章，后面还没看到。。。
总之谢谢啦~~灰常感谢~

-- by 会员 ainiAnnie (2012/3/5 22:26:50)

连搜了OG-sc98/100，都是楼主MM发的帖，然后我们还同年同月同日生。。还一起杀G。。缘分阿。。握爪

作者: ainiAnnie 时间: 2012-4-8 17:59

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

好开心啊后开心~~bat真是大好人，这么快就给解答了~小M我才看到第九章，后面还没看到。。。
总之谢谢啦~~灰常感谢~

-- by 会员 ainiAnnie (2012/3/5 22:26:50)

连搜了OG-sc98/100，都是楼主MM发的帖，然后我们还同年同月同日生。。还一起杀G。。缘分阿。。握爪

-- by 会员 merseychase (2012/4/8 16:28:10)

看样子我的帖子还真的能帮到别人哈~~缘分缘分，一起加油！~~

作者: xixiuknow 时间: 2012-4-9 10:41

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

bat前辈，我想问一下OG上说E选项的some of which是模糊不清的，是说不清楚指代stars还是plants吗?
但是B选项some of them中的them为什么就可以清晰指代stars？？？

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-4-9 15:42
个人看法，欢迎拍砖。
你看E选项中的语序的位置，The stars are in motion like the planets。因为like作介词引导比较的时候都是位于句首的
所以OG才会解释说 Placement of like the planets is awkward;
然后呢，因为这个like介词短语位置的错误，导致后面的定从中which指代ambiguous，因为从前面主句来说，like是想要指代主句主语stars的，但是又因为这个like短语放置的位置的awkward，导致which又可以就近指代planets，所以才说这个which的指代ambiguous，一家之言，欢迎argue...(其实我也被这个which的跳跃性指代问题搞的比较晕乎）

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

-- by 会员 xixiuknow (2012/4/9 10:41:08)

作者: abjure 时间: 2012-11-23 18:01

个人看法，欢迎拍砖。
你看E选项中的语序的位置，The stars are in motion like the planets。因为like作介词引导比较的时候都是位于句首的
所以OG才会解释说 Placement of like the planets is awkward;
然后呢，因为这个like介词短语位置的错误，导致后面的定从中which指代ambiguous，因为从前面主句来说，like是想要指代主句主语stars的，但是又因为这个like短语放置的位置的awkward，导致which又可以就近指代planets，所以才说这个which的指代ambiguous，一家之言，欢迎argue...(其实我也被这个which的跳跃性指代问题搞的比较晕乎）

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2012/3/5 21:45:59)

-- by 会员 xixiuknow (2012/4/9 10:41:08)

-- by 会员 zhongshanlh (2012/4/9 15:42:46)

这题100不愧是OG难题的分界点。
独立主格， sub modfier, 比较结构，平行都来了。。
补充一点， E选项， some of which attremendous spees are in montion 作为modifer 应该用逗号（一对逗号）隔开，及montion没有应该要有“逗号”，弄得整个句子非常 awakard.

作者: xunzlyx 时间: 2013-8-17 12:41

xixiuknow 发表于 2012-4-9 10:41
Q1: 整个修饰语应该是独立主格吧（如果我没记错，好久没系统看语法了。。）独立主格，性质上相当于状语 ...

赞同which的指代ambiguous~

不知道为什么老有人说which跳跃指代，好像还有专门的帖子说这个问题,不过我都没有看~

Manhattan里数次强调

The relative pronoun Which MUST refer to the noun just before the Which.

作者: xunzlyx 时间: 2013-8-17 13:34

superbat28 发表于 2012-3-5 21:45
Q1: 整个修饰语应该是独立主格吧（如果我没记错，好久没系统看语法了。。）独立主格，性质上相当于状语。所 ...

想请教NN问题，请指教

Absolute Phrase 通常修饰一个clause，A选项The stars, some of them at tremendous speeds,这里也可以把它理解为独立主格吗，还是说它是stars的同位语？不是很懂同位语，manhattan好像也没有用专门的小节来提它

还有ex3，为什么它使定语从句呢，我觉得要这样写才是定语从句，一个非限制性定语从句。
The stars are in motion, which are at tremendous speed.

作者: 啊我啊我啊 时间: 2017-9-5 18:30
对于Q1的看法：从句子逻辑上考虑，some of them 是对其中一类的说明，所以应该放在are in motion 的后面

作者: chenye666 时间: 2017-9-29 21:56
我认为是这样的。刚刚查看了曼哈顿关于subgroup modifier部分的讲述：
When you want to describe a part of a larger group with a modifier, use one of the following three subgroup modifier constructions:
This model explains all known subatomic particles, SOME OF WHICH WE only recently discovered.
This model explains all known subatomic particles, SOME OF THEM only recently discovered.
This model explains all known subatomic particles, SOME only recently discovered.

我注意到这几个例子中，subgroup modifier都是修饰就近名词的。但是在本题中，由于主语前面有了like，而主语又要和谓语（are in motion）紧挨，且修饰语长于谓语，因此这个modifier放在了motion后面。其实不影响句意的

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