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作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-4 13:21
标题: 求助！快要考了！og180没有问过的问题

180. Quasars are so distant that their light has taken billions of years to reach the Earth; consequently, we see them as they were during the formation of the universe.

(A) we see them as they were during

(B) we see them as they had been during

(C) we see them as if during

(D) they appear to us as they did in

(E) they appear to us as though in

我不明白的是答案C为何说 Choice C presents a dangling adverbial modifier, as if during ..., that illogically modifies we see. ？这个修饰问题怎么判断的阿，有没有什么原则啊？谢谢指教！

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作者: rhod 时间: 2004-9-4 23:40

我是这样理解的：

dangling表示状语没有修饰对象，那么从语法上看, 这里的during介词短语表示时间修饰see, 意思是我们好像在宇宙形成的时间看它们。这明显是不合逻辑的。

作者: paopao 时间: 2004-9-5 00:18

我认为是个省略的形式

we see them as if (we are )during

是错的

作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-5 06:47

谢谢两位的指点，体会到两位的意思了，泡泡同学是不是括号里面的we are应该改成we were呢？

但是我觉得这里有了as if就说明是“像而不是”，是个比喻，举个例子

“looked as if she were made of ice.她看起来似乎是冰做的”（摘自金山词霸）

我觉得原文要是说we see them during 。。。。。。这样才会不合逻辑，加上了as if我觉得没有什么不合逻辑的阿,是不是我又钻到死牛角尖离去了，帮忙把我拖出来

作者: rhod 时间: 2004-9-5 15:20

谢谢两位的指点，体会到两位的意思了，泡泡同学是不是括号里面的we are应该改成we were呢？

不错，as if后面多数情况下用虚拟语气，表示与事实相反。See the following example:

For some reason the new consultant treats his clients like idiots, talking to them like they were mentally deficient and incapable of understanding more than the simplest ideas.

(A) like idiots, talking to them like they

(B) as if they were idiots, talking to them like they

(D) as idiots, talking to them like they（C）

(E) like idiots who

作者: agk99 时间: 2004-9-5 19:51

我的理解是，在OG中講到dangling是指修飾的主詞出現問題，好比og-180的ABC都會變成修飾we, 邏輯出現問題

as if 是正確用法，沒有dangling的問題

作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-5 23:44

谢谢rhod斑竹的例子，让我确定了as if 的用法。

agk99：谢谢你的回答，但是og的解释说a dangling adverbial modifier, as if during ..., （这里好像是说修是动词的啊）that illogically modifies we see（这里我觉得跟rhod说得差不多就是修饰see的，怎么会修饰we呢？）

既然og说 illogically modifies we see，那么，what should it logically modify?还请继续指点！

作者: agk99 时间: 2004-9-6 04:32

我沒有說清楚，抱歉，

注釋是說，as if during這個副詞短語，是一個dangling modifier，因為他會錯誤修飾we see

我自己想像是，as if該往後修飾，但後面看不到主詞，往前找，只有we see可以修飾，但事實上as if該修飾Quasars而不是we, 與A比較起來，C省略了they 導致句意dangling

你讀的可真細呀，讓我又多了點收獲

作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-6 04:58

哦，是有这点意思，再仔细体会

“as if該往後修飾，”

这是哪里的规则？准确么?谢谢你！

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-9-6 06:04
She spoke to me as if she knew me.如果改一下，She spoke to me as if I were her friend. 两个句子，如果我们都把as if后的主语和谓语去掉，你能判断出as if后的句子说的是谁么？不能，所以，很明显，as if后省略了主谓结构造成句子要说明对象十分模糊。

作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-6 06:34

嗯，看来有as if的句子，as if后面的主宾都要表达出来否则会造成修饰不清的错误。谢谢rhod,paopao,ak99还有stoneren的帮助与指点！！！！

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作者: paopao 时间: 2004-9-29 02:36

我有新问题

这题中A和D中的as 用法是什么意思有什么不同吗

谢谢

作者: rhod 时间: 2004-9-29 20:17

这里的as意思应该是"就像", 与通常考的like/as不同.

比如As I said earlier, this research has just started. 主句的意思和描述, 就是as从句所描述的.

作者: paopao 时间: 2004-9-30 00:13

以下是引用rhod在2004-9-29 20:17:00的发言：

to rhod:

这里的as意思应该是"就像", 与通常考的like/as不同.

比如As I said earlier, this research has just started. 主句的意思和描述, 就是as从句所描述的. as refers to the latter sentence, that is , this research has just started . as is a pron.

we see them as they were as is conj. of the manner clause.

sorry, i am not very sure about the usage of as. But i guess you might make mistake in this aspect.

作者: shiningstar 时间: 2004-9-30 02:44

as在这里是作为连词用的。作为连词在辞典上可以找到如下9种用法，
conj.
1,To the same degree or quantity that. Often used as a correlative after so or as:
You are as sweet as sugar. The situation is not so bad as you suggest.
2,In the same manner or way that:
Think as I think.
3,At the same time that; while:
slipped on the ice as I ran home.
4,For the reason that; because:
went to bed early, as I was exhausted.
5With the result that:
He was so foolish as to lie.
6Though:
Great as the author was, he proved a bad model. Ridiculous as it seems, the tale is true.
7 In accordance with which or with the way in which:
The hotel is quite comfortable as such establishments go. The sun is hot, as everyone knows.
8,Informal
9,That:
I don't know as I can answer your question.

我觉得应该作为第3种意思讲：当。。。时。。。不知对否？

作者: paopao 时间: 2004-9-30 03:06

shiningstar

If you were right, the sentence means that when the star are in the formation of , they appear to us.

Don't you think it is illogic ?

Hopy any NN can help.

Thanks .

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-9-30 05:10
个人比较赞同shiningstar15楼的看法，as在此处解释为while比较合适；句子的意思是：我们看到的是很多年前star形成时的star，相当于类似的：你在走路的时候，我看到你了；其中‘看到’是一个瞬间动作，而‘你走路’是一个延续性的动作。

作者: paopao 时间: 2004-9-30 08:14

以下是引用stoneren在2004-9-30 5:10:00的发言：
个人比较赞同shiningstar15楼的看法，as在此处解释为while比较合适；句子的意思是：我们看到的是很多年前star形成时的star，相当于类似的：你在走路的时候，我看到你了；其中‘看到’是一个瞬间动作，而‘你走路’是一个延续性的动作。

make sense. Thank you ,stoneren.

作者: Fabulous 时间: 2005-1-20 13:29

AS THOUGH
(a) in a way that makes you think something is true

(b) in a way that might make you think something was true, although you know it is not true

那用AS THOUGH的时候究竟这个事情是不是TRUE的呢?

作者: 小女公子 时间: 2005-4-13 21:57
不是ｔｒｕｅ

作者: 小女公子 时间: 2005-4-13 21:59

以下是引用paopao在2004-9-5 0:18:00的发言：

我认为是个省略的形式

we see them as if (we are )during

继续问一下，我看的时候就觉得是　we see them as if they were during...

有这个可能吗？？

作者: 小女公子 时间: 2005-4-13 22:04
自问自答一下，OG说清楚了

Choice C presents a dangling adverbial modifier, as if during ..., that illogically modifies we see.

然后继续问：OG凭什么这么肯定就是修饰wee see。完全有可能修饰they are嘛…………

作者: 小女公子 时间: 2005-4-14 15:54
up

作者: kekey17 时间: 2005-4-14 16:30
呵呵，21，22楼，继续探讨一下：

继续问一下，我看的时候就觉得是　we see them as if they were during...

有这个可能吗？？

这个可能是存在的，我认为首先C省略主谓语，那么as if后的状语修饰什么有歧义，可能造成你理解的21楼意见（因为逻辑上是they are /were更合理），但语法就近理解的话应该修饰we see，而如果这样就改变原文意义了。还有as if本身表示好像，结合句义理解用as if不恰当。

个人理解SC每题都有不少考点，答案不止一个错误，但OG常挑个最保险的理由说

作者: ethyl 时间: 2005-5-1 23:12
shiningstar 好可爱的说！

作者: icare1 时间: 2005-8-13 15:36

这题也错了。以为A是歧义

作者: hyte 时间: 2006-3-2 00:16

以下是引用paopao在2004-9-30 3:06:00的发言：

shiningstar

If you were right, the sentence means that when the star are in the formation of , they appear to us.

Don't you think it is illogic ?

Hopy any NN can help.

Thanks .

我認為完全make sense! 因為那些星星跟我們差距幾千萬光年~所以我們現在看到的星星其實都是"過去"的星星了!

作者: winnowerfly 时间: 2006-5-27 23:05

以下是引用rhod在2004-9-29 20:17:00的发言：

这里的as意思应该是"就像", 与通常考的like/as不同.

比如As I said earlier, this research has just started. 主句的意思和描述, 就是as从句所描述的.

Agree with above.

I also think that as的意思should be "就像", not "when" as explained in OG.

ai. What should I do with this question......yumen.

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