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标题: LBS（伦敦商学院）能和美国的商学院的top15相比吗？ [打印本页]

作者: 风景 时间: 2004-8-29 15:20
标题: LBS（伦敦商学院）能和美国的商学院的top15相比吗？

今年突然看到好多的兄弟姐妹去了伦敦商学院，不知道这个学校怎么样啊？恳请大牛们指导。

还有是不是要申请PHD的话一定要联系好教授啊，好像很多学校只是要求交申请表就可以了阿。

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作者: jetrong 时间: 2004-8-29 17:18

伦敦商学院是一所非常好的学校!

不比哈佛差!

作者: lewis 时间: 2004-8-29 19:09

就金融类而言，是不比哈佛差。

总体堪与美国的TOP10一比。

作者: xixi2004 时间: 2004-8-30 09:00
学费贵也是出了名的！

作者: skypacerzhou 时间: 2004-8-30 09:20

英国的学校都很规的。

作者: 螺旋霉素 时间: 2004-8-30 10:31

UK有没有loan？

作者: viagra 时间: 2004-9-1 11:25

伦敦商学院是一所非常好的学校!

不比哈佛差!

过了吧？

LBS当然不错，但最多也只能在US top10-top15 之间。

作者: peaker 时间: 2004-9-4 20:37
欧洲的商学院整体上要比美国的商学院低一个档次。LBS最多也就相当于美国20~30的学院。而且毕业以后的就业机会要小得多。

作者: mikejrf 时间: 2004-9-5 19:24

如果是mba，LBS应当可以相当于北美15名左右的学校，但从课程结构与就业机会来看，欧洲学校和美国学校还是有不小区别。

在phd课程上，LBS在某些科目如finance方面近年有了长足的进步，虽然不能与Harvard,chicago等超一流的学校抗衡，但也开始步入了一流的行列。

作者: aokceo 时间: 2004-9-8 01:47

我是不会去的，学费太贵，毕业找工作不易！（个人意见）

作者: 飞雪 时间: 2004-9-8 02:52
LBS是有Loan的，但是好像因为去年中国学生还款情况有问题，今年很多人没有申请到loan吧。

作者: icbcbj 时间: 2004-9-10 23:19

认真地问一句，不知道楼上那位认为LBS顶多相当于美国30名学校的朋友，你是根据哪家权威机构的排名？

作者: peaker 时间: 2004-9-11 00:56
综合各种机构最近几年的排名，整体上看LBS并不高。不能只看FT的排名。

作者: icbcbj 时间: 2004-9-11 20:26

请问你是怎么综合的？怎么综合出这么具体的数字的？各家权威机构的排名各占多大权重？

请指教一下。

作者: 爱维的天 时间: 2004-9-12 22:28

以下是引用peaker在2004-9-4 20:37:00的发言：
欧洲的商学院整体上要比美国的商学院低一个档次。LBS最多也就相当于美国20~30的学院。而且毕业以后的就业机会要小得多。

如果未来想加入的就业市场在欧洲，而不在米国，那结果也许就不同了。

作者: fwl43 时间: 2006-8-1 20:44
LBS的就业非常好。

作者: goodssb 时间: 2006-8-1 20:48

我认为它是top 5. 就业远比很多人想象的好.

作者: tuzq 时间: 2006-8-1 21:37
LBS is kinda like magic 7 in the states. plus insead, imd, it can be included in the top 10 globally. actually, these 10 schools' deans often meet together.

作者: fanjun1978 时间: 2006-8-2 04:49

和哈佛还是差远了。英国的学校，再怎么说还是和美国的差了一个档次。

作者: rebeccayu2004 时间: 2006-8-2 13:15

建议先去查一下最新的mba排名吧，另外你怎么知道毕业以后就业的机会小？

作者: ESeraph 时间: 2006-8-2 13:38
LBS可以和美国top10相比，就业也一点都不差。虽然欧洲的需求上要小一些（相对美国而言），但欧洲顶尖的学校数量也少，所以recruitment还是很集中，机会也还是很多的，尤其是英国。要是LBS的学生都没不能好好就业的话，全英国就喝西北风去了。

作者: PerSway 时间: 2006-8-12 12:37
确实，伦敦也是世界两大金融中心之一，LBS在MC和IB的就业情况（就业率和平均其薪）可不比美国TOP 10差，而且找到intern的几率也很高，具体可以看看他们的就业统计。

作者: gonghao 时间: 2006-8-12 16:20

以下是引用viagra在2004-9-1 11:25:00的发言：

伦敦商学院是一所非常好的学校!

不比哈佛差!

过了吧？

LBS当然不错，但最多也只能在US top10-top15 之间。

不要小看LBS，有些东西不是排名反应的出来的

作者: shaoji 时间: 2006-8-12 17:15

说LBS只能算30得简直就是胡说八道的。全球的金融中心各大投行私行的，不知道us top 30的大有人在，没听说过伦敦商学院的简直不可思议。欧洲顶尖MBA少，但是不代表顶尖的就差，这么大的欧洲，他们的平均工资可是top10都不一定比得上的。LBS， INSEAD 绝对属于top10的水平！！！

作者: modern 时间: 2006-8-12 21:57

LBS跟Insead本來就是M7級的

從placement資料已經可以看出太多跡象

即便不看placement

比faculty以及research結果也是不惶多讓

最無聊的人會去比avg Gmat 比這個Insead跟LBS還是M7級的

IMD比較特殊一點歐洲三牛裡面IMD走的是更成熟更小班的路線更適合稍微高階的經理人就讀

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作者: 重拳出击 时间: 2006-8-13 03:53

让事实说话.

收集了LBS 2005届MiF 中国学生的工作情况, 2005毕业的 MiF 一共有15位,分别来自大陆和香港, 我只收集到了14位的情况, 给大家参考, 为保护他人隐私, 只提供last name, 没有first name.　根据我认识的LBS的MiF同学的介绍，LBS的MBA就业情况比他们只好不差．

Luo: Trading,Barclays Capital, London

Bai: Morgan Stanley, London

Jiang: Merill lynch, London

Zhao: 某Private Equity, London

Qian: Barclays Capital, Hongkong

Chiu: Deutsche bank, Hongkong

Sun: Detusche bank, Hongkong

Huang: PMA (private equity), Hongkong

Yin: Citigoup IBD, Hongkong

Li: Hongkong Monetary Authority, Hongkong

Zheng: McKinsey, Beijing

Hu: China Construction bank, Beijing

Tang: Head of corporate banking, Standard Charter, Shanghai

Chen: CLSA, Singapore

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作者: 重拳出击 时间: 2006-8-13 13:22
LBS的MBA毕业时候,每个人手里都有好几个offer.(我说的是中国学生)

作者: kinchan 时间: 2006-8-13 14:08

强！楼上的是私家侦探？

有没有其他学校详细的“毕业分配”情况？

作者: rebeccayu2004 时间: 2006-8-14 10:11
说LBS毕业差的一看就是在圈外，不了解圈内的情况，IB和咨询届LBS的就业非常好，前景也非常好。如果对LBS还有什么质疑的化，就别在圈内混了

作者: suvtong 时间: 2006-8-14 12:07

这个学校就不要质疑了，就业太容易了，我有一个亲戚使那里4，5年前毕业的，还没毕业就好几家IB要了，现在每年做中国大企业上市，拿的奖金可是常人不可想象的。

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作者: eternalwind 时间: 2006-8-14 13:01

关键问题是大家想在哪里就业

如果想在US就业的话, LBS还不如US TOP 30

如果不是非在US就业不可的话

LBS可以算是FINANCE的TOP 5

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 13:51

But, the thing is, most people prefer US rather than EU.

And even fewer people, who will graduate from the Top b-schools, would like to go back to China.

So......to conclude, few people would pick EU schools, even though they might be as good as US ones.

作者: icbcbj 时间: 2006-8-14 14:15

以下是引用nnm在2006-8-14 13:51:00的发言：

But, the thing is, most people prefer US rather than EU.

And even fewer people, who will graduate from the Top b-schools, would like to go back to China.

So......to conclude, few people would pick EU schools, even though they might be as good as US ones.

make no sense

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 18:21

why?

逻辑混乱了啊??

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 18:23

对LBS/Insead等欧洲学校感兴趣的,

到我在欧洲区的帖子看看吧,

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=36&ID=180660&page=2

作者: kevinao 时间: 2006-8-14 20:35
And even fewer people, who will graduate from the Top b-schools, would like to go back to China.
May not be true. If you can earn the same in both US, EU and China, you might prefer to come back to China, including HK. The fact is that many young people prefer US (they may not find decent jobs in China), while experienced people prefer to come back since they can find very decent jobs in China, e.g. Mckinsey, IB in HK/mainland, VC/PE, or C level management in MNC. Of course if you were not at management level in big names before business school, you will find that you can find better jobs in US.

关键问题是大家想在哪里就业
如果想在US就业的话, LBS还不如US TOP 30
I disagree. What do you mean by 就业? If you talk about top IB, investment management (e.g.hedge fund, PE/VC) or strategic consulting, then I don't think top 15-30 US schools are comparable to LBS at all. Opportunities in such companies are very global, and it's not difficult for LBS students to relocate to US. The interesting point is that many LBS students used to work in US, but they prefer to work in London after graduation as London experience is very valuable as London is the world no.1 or no.2 financial centre in different financial area.
If you talk about industrial companies, probably it's true. But only a small percentage of LBS students are interested in industrial jobs.

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 21:35

以下是引用kevinao在2006-8-14 20:35:00的发言：
And even fewer people, who will graduate from the Top b-schools, would like to go back to China.
May not be true. If you can earn the same in both US, EU and China, you might prefer to come back to China, including HK. The fact is that many young people prefer US (they may not find decent jobs in China), while experienced people prefer to come back since they can find very decent jobs in China, e.g. Mckinsey, IB in HK/mainland, VC/PE, or C level management in MNC. Of course if you were not at management level in big names before business school, you will find that you can find better jobs in US.

这个部分偶没有发言权, 因为偶是mid-level,还不是managerial的.不过偶同意大侠的说法.

我自己比较想回去的, 在外面漂泊这么久(在可预见的将来还要很久), 很想归根, 老死在中国.

关键问题是大家想在哪里就业
如果想在US就业的话, LBS还不如US TOP 30
I disagree. What do you mean by 就业? If you talk about top IB, investment management (e.g.hedge fund, PE/VC) or strategic consulting, then I don't think top 15-30 US schools are comparable to LBS at all. Opportunities in such companies are very global, and it's not difficult for LBS students to relocate to US. The interesting point is that many LBS students used to work in US, but they prefer to work in London after graduation as London experience is very valuable as London is the world no.1 or no.2 financial centre in different financial area.
If you talk about industrial companies, probably it's true. But only a small percentage of LBS students are interested in industrial jobs.

Partly agree....... I recon that LBS is about in the same level as US top15-30 , provided people hunt for job in US.

I saw an American LBS graduate commented as above.

American kind of think of US as the only develped country around the world, and others as the second tier.

And being said precisely, London is the second largest center with definitely fewer opportunities than NY.

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作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 21:41

话说回来,如果想在欧洲工作,LBS是当然的首选.

LBS金融在欧洲傲视群侪. 当然LSE也不错(别问偶LSE是什么学校)

作者: kevinao 时间: 2006-8-14 22:17
1) If you are looking for jobs in NY, I think US top 10 may be better, but here jobs only means ibank jobs as many VC or hedge funds are not in NY. NY should have more Ibank opportunties than London, but not much more as London is the world's biggest market in some areas (e.g. FX, metal futures) and there are at least 100 LBS students join Ibank every year. Therefore, I guess the LBS graduate mainly talked about industrial jobs, and I don't think you should make conclusion based on one person's comment.
2) If you compare LBS with LSE, then I don't want to make further comments as you do not appear to have basic understanding about business schools. LSE is not a business school, and LBS graduates almost never compete with LSE graduates. LBS' competitors are mainly Insead and top 10 US schools.

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 22:22

以下是引用kevinao在2006-8-14 22:17:00的发言：
1) If you are looking for jobs in NY, I think US top 10 may be better, but here jobs only means ibank jobs as many VC or hedge funds are not in NY. NY should have more Ibank opportunties than London, but not much more as London is the world's biggest market in some areas (e.g. FX, metal futures) and there are at least 100 LBS students join Ibank every year. Therefore, I guess the LBS graduate mainly talked about industrial jobs, and I don't think you should make conclusion based on one person's comment.

I'm not a IB guy as you might be, so you should be right.

And(狡辩一下) I think the guy has more say than us since he has got the exact experience in job-hunting of both areas.

2) If you compare LBS with LSE, then I don't want to make further comments as you do not appear to have basic understanding about business schools. LSE is not a business school, and LBS graduates almost never compete with LSE graduates. LBS' competitors are mainly Insead and top 10 US schools.

Did i compare LBS with LSE in terms of B-Schools?????????

Further more, LSE does have MBA program, although not comparable to LBS, and I did admit that LBS is better than LSE

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作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-14 22:44
似乎偶们两个的观点也不怎么矛盾,呵呵

作者: goodssb 时间: 2006-8-14 23:07
LSE没有MBA学位,有EMBA,跟columbia合办的

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-15 00:02

没错.

LSE的金融在欧洲的地位还是相当高的.

毕业生都非常有竞争力, 当然跟LBS竞争的一般不会是同一个水平的职位, 因为以本科生为主.

但LSE的EMBA还是很牛X的, 因为很多都是伦敦本地的金融牛人进去进修的.

可能比不上LBS的EMBA, 但单从就业(薪水)来说是不会比LBS的MBA差的, 尽管不是很有可比性, 毕竟年龄和经验不是在同一个水平.

好像跑题了, 汗

不说了

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作者: nicmoon 时间: 2006-8-15 03:59
如果你读international business,建议你去美国的 SOUTHCAROLINA NO。1 in USA

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-15 07:26

以下是引用nicmoon在2006-8-15 3:59:00的发言：
如果你读international business,建议你去美国的 SOUTHCAROLINA NO。1 in USA

Oh yeah, I've heard of this joke before.......

Ok, forget about it.

we were talking about Investment Banking, not International Business.

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作者: rebeccayu2004 时间: 2006-8-15 09:48

lse在经济学，金融领域的权威地位无庸置疑，学术界上公认，上世纪30年代的经济学理论中心是英国的lse,而80年代后转到美国的芝加哥大学。lse的经济学泰斗级人物也是诺奖获得者包括， Miler (著名的m-m最优资本结构理论），阿卡洛夫的著名的“柠檬理论”信息不对乘理论，等等。以及罗素，萧伯纳等诺奖获得者。目前，lse的许多系和专业有和美国的芝加哥大学经济系同学分，有的系和美国的哥伦比亚大学和康奈尔大学同学分。

lse和lbs没有可比性，lse建校于19世纪，而lbs的历史远没有那么长。lbs参加全球mba排名，曝光率很高，在商业领域有强大的影响力。而lse主要是学术，经济和金融学理论，

认识有经济系的中国的硕士研究生毕业直接去哈佛全奖读博士的。也有毕业了直接去warton读mba的。也有若干美国名校如普林斯顿，uc博克利，甚至还有mit的美国人来lse读书的，有的甚至放弃了mit的offer,来lse.曾经问过美国人问什么来lse,lse相当于美国什么层次的大学，美国人是这么评价lse的，在社会学和政治经济学领域，lse相当于哈佛。这也是为什么有不少从lse毕业的直接去哈佛肯尼迪政治学院读书的。欧盟的主席也是现在意大利的头普罗迪就是lse毕业的，新加坡的李光耀，还有若干国家的总理和内阁都是LSE的毕业生。英国议会里的议员lse的毕业生有几十个。原英国证监会和银监会主席是目前lse的校长。他不久前也差点当上morgan stanley的全球CEO。

lse和lbs在各自的领域中独树一帜，发挥着自己的光和热。

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-15 10:25

以下是引用rebeccayu2004在2006-8-15 9:48:00的发言：

lse和lbs在各自的领域中独树一帜，发挥着自己的光和热。

And hundreds of other Prime Ministers around the world. Check this if interested

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/London_School_of_Economics

I would say sorry that i brought up LSE in this thread.

It's totally out of scope.

作者: rebeccayu2004 时间: 2006-8-15 10:30

以下是引用rebeccayu2004在2006-8-15 9:48:00的发言：

lse和lbs在各自的领域中独树一帜，发挥着自己的光和热。

再补充：

“伦敦学派"的主要代表人物包括哈耶克，科斯（著名的信息成本理论），舒尔茨等等。

中国知识分子中最为流行的学说就是拉斯基学说。罗隆基、储安平、费孝通、王造时、吴恩裕、徐志摩、金岳霖、张君励、张奚若、陈源、萧乾、龚祥瑞等一代才俊当时都曾经来到LSE治学，他们有的如费孝通在这里攻读了博士学位，有的如罗隆基在美国获得博士学位后来这里做研究，有的如徐志摩、金岳霖抱着学习政治经济的目的而来，之后离开这里转攻文史。

新一代LSE校友开始在中国的经贸、外交、学术各领域活跃起来。周文重，张业隧，龙永图，王光亚，杨洁篪等人成为中国外交外贸领域的重要领导人.。黄平（LSE博士，社科院社会学研究员，《读书》杂志执行主编，Giddens思想的引介人之一），彭希哲（LSE博士，复旦大学法学院院长；人口学专家）；程兵（LSE博士后）：中科院数学所研究员，目前中国少有的金融数学专家；黄丹涵博士（LSE研究人员，银河证券首席法律顾问）都在各自领域居于领先地位。

作者: rebeccayu2004 时间: 2006-8-15 13:55
校友还有日本现在的首相小泉，美国前总统肯尼迪，丹麦女王Margrethe 二世，挪威王子，前加拿大总理，印度总理。。英格兰银行行长，现在的世界银行副行长等等

作者: nnm 时间: 2006-8-15 14:16
我都无语了, rebeccayu2004 MM是不是LSE的呀?

作者: goodssb 时间: 2006-8-15 19:23
LSE还有现在据说在City最热门的经济学家,虽然没得过诺贝尔奖,但已提名3次了的danny quay.

作者: nottingham84 时间: 2013-7-16 15:41
LBS is consistently ranked as one of the top 2 business schools in Europe and as one of the top 10 business schools in the world. -Cited by wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Business_School

作者: dpq0911036 时间: 2013-7-16 21:18
此贴是专门开来黑LBS的吗。。US15。。。oh my god

作者: buchart 时间: 2013-7-17 00:47
LBS是个好学校。我今年申请没中，会去美国top10。但整个过程中了解到的信息是： LBS的生源素质远超美国top10-15这段的学生。一个原因可能是伦敦吸引了很多英联邦／中东／欧洲／亚洲的牛人，它的国际化程度有百分之八九十。大多数美国学校都是30％。另一个原因是年龄稍大，入学时候已经做出的成就会稍高一些。

作者: snew27 时间: 2013-7-23 21:50
ofcourse LBS is better。。no brainer

作者: 38383388 时间: 2013-7-27 20:24
LBS占尽了地理优势，就像STERN一样。

作者: deadendjy 时间: 2013-8-2 03:36
超过这些学校

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