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作者: rt316    时间: 2004-9-13 03:03
as ... as表示相等,2000 years强调差异,所以应该用表示差异的more ... than结构。
作者: vikkigmat    时间: 2004-10-19 11:28

我也想问 如果用as。。。as表达相等,怎么表达这句话?


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-10-19 20:05

千万不要钻到牛角尖里去,stoneren说的很清楚了.

mm的这个问题,我觉得很深奥, 因为牵涉到语言的表达含义.

as ... as只能说明一样大, A is older than B只能说明A比B大. 这两个语言形式属于同一种语义, 即比较含义.

A和B都是2000岁, 这里有一个陈述的语义, 只用as ... as 表达不出这个含义.

中文也是一样,

a and b 同样的年龄,都是2000
, 这里"同样的"表达了比较含义, "都是"表达了陈述含义.


作者: hedi    时间: 2005-1-19 16:07
如果表达相等,则应该用,2000years old,same as  any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors .
作者: forum    时间: 2005-1-20 13:36

我觉得即使表示2000岁的话也要加old在years后面.如:Carbon-14 dating reveals that the megalithic monuments in Brittany are nearly 2,000 years OLD as old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors. 当然这样就不如改成:<hedi写的>2000years old,same as  any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors

不知道对不对?



作者: squirrel_hippo    时间: 2005-1-21 05:38
以下是引用xingzhang在2004-8-24 23:51:00的发言:

1.        Carbon-14 dating reveals that the megalithic monuments in Brittany are nearly 2,000 years as old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.



(A) as old as any of their supposed



(B) older than any of their supposed



(C) as old as their supposed



(D) older than any of their supposedlyB



(E) as old as their supposedly



如果我想表达的是:a and b 同样的年龄,都是2000,那么用as..as表达,不就可以如答案a 所表达的那样吗?我错在哪了?百思不得其解?恳请执教。


For this question. You can say ".....as 2000 years old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors....."


作者: hhl3000    时间: 2005-8-2 17:50

楼上哥们说得对


作者: demon_hunter    时间: 2006-4-25 13:58

我觉得这里关键的词语在于“any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors”。
按一般的逻辑来说,如果有一个新发现,只能说比以前的更早,很少有说我们这个发现证明了与前的一样。


当然,这样的分析有点过于钻牛角尖。我认为,这种题目,比较五个选项,猜猜出题人的意思,就不难推出这里是比较关系。


Let's Fight,
Demon Hunter


作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-4-25 14:26

我也有问题


这道题的解释是比之时间久


为什么就不能是一样久呢?


我是毫不犹豫的选了A的


忘指点


作者: pengfei1102    时间: 2006-4-25 16:07
请 解决
作者: rosmarine    时间: 2006-4-26 21:55
回答10楼的:

一样久的话,应该A is as old as B,这个表达法大概小学就学过了。

如果一样久,这个2000年是什么意思呢?一样久怎么还会有2000年的差距?所以肯定是older than的。

除非你的意思是the megalithic monuments in Brittany的实际年龄为2000岁,表达一样东西年龄为2000岁应该是sth is 2000 years old. 注意末尾的old在这里一定不能少。但是,如果说monuments的年龄为2000岁了,那后面出现的predecessors你把它怎么跟前面联系起来呢?

我试一下按这个思路写个句子:A is 2000 years old, as old as B. 这样的话不知道行不行呢?这样的话很明显,A选项在2000 years后面少了个old,肯定是错的。

作者: vironica_ee    时间: 2006-5-25 11:44
前面已经有个nearly 怎么还能加AS OLD AS。大家都没有注意么
作者: gonghao    时间: 2006-5-25 13:12
我现在再回过偷来来看就明白啦,^_^,谢谢rosmiane,谢谢大家
作者: sendme    时间: 2006-5-25 13:15
以下是引用xingzhang在2004-8-24 23:51:00的发言:

1.        Carbon-14 dating reveals that the megalithic monuments in Brittany are nearly 2,000 years as old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.

(A) as old as any of their supposed

(B) older than any of their supposed

(C) as old as their supposed

(D) older than any of their supposedlyB

(E) as old as their supposedly

Choices A, C, and E do not state the comparison logically. The expression as old as indicates equality of age, but the sentence indicates that the Brittany monuments predate the Mediterranean monuments by 2,000 years.

我的问题是:段子中怎样indicates that the Brittany monuments predate the Mediterranean monuments by 2,000 years.

如果我想表达的是:a and b 同样的年龄,都是2000,那么用as..as表达,不就可以如答案a 所表达的那样吗?我错在哪了?百思不得其解?恳请执教。

in my opinion,

both "as...as..." and "more ..than.." are comparison construction.

the key word is "any",  we can say "more older..than any of", not" as ..as any of".. but i think it's idiomatical if we say "as ..as all of ".


作者: autumn713    时间: 2006-10-5 16:20

有一個關於supposedly vs supposed的問題:

It reveals that the monuments are nearly 2000 years older then any of their (A)supposed (B)supposedly  Mediterranean predecessors.

OG說因為Mediterranean predecessors 為名詞 

所以用(A)supposed

看另外一題OG 

Reporting that one of its many problems had been the

recent extended sales slump in women’s apparel, the

seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month

liquidation sale in all of its stores.

OG說因為extended sales slump 整體視為一個N. 所以用recent來形容

不用recently 副詞

但是OG61題目又說Archaeologists believe that a recently

discovered chalice was probably buried to keep it from

being stolen by invaders.

 

要怎麼判斷
        
那個名詞
        
是整體是為一個N ??

而不是Mediterranean修飾predecessors //extended修飾sales

slump  所以前面的modifier通通用副詞??

又為什麼既然可以說a recently discovered chalice 卻不能說the recently extended sales slump??


作者: goodwaiter    时间: 2006-12-18 03:32
以下是引用autumn713在2006-10-5 16:20:00的发言:

有一個關於supposedly vs supposed的問題:

It reveals that the monuments are nearly 2000 years older then any of their (A)supposed (B)supposedly  Mediterranean predecessors.

OG說因為Mediterranean predecessors 為名詞 

所以用(A)supposed

看另外一題OG 

看另外一題OG 

Reporting that one of its many problems had been the

recent extended sales slump in women’s apparel, the

seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month

liquidation sale in all of its stores.

OG說因為extended sales slump 整體視為一個N. 所以用recent來形容

不用recently 副詞

但是OG61題目又說Archaeologists believe that a recently

discovered chalice was probably buried to keep it from

being stolen by invaders.

 

 

要怎麼判斷
  
那個名詞
  
是整體是為一個N ??

而不是Mediterranean修飾predecessors //extended修飾sales

slump  所以前面的modifier通通用副詞??

又為什麼既然可以說a recently discovered chalice 卻不能說the recently extended sales slump??

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作者: Iawfy    时间: 2006-12-18 07:17
以下是引用autumn713在2006-10-5 16:20:00的发言:

有一個關於supposedly vs supposed的問題:

It reveals that the monuments are nearly 2000 years older then any of their (A)supposed (B)supposedly  Mediterranean predecessors.

OG說因為Mediterranean predecessors 為名詞 

所以用(A)supposed

看另外一題OG 

看另外一題OG 

Reporting that one of its many problems had been the

recent extended sales slump in women’s apparel, the

seven-store retailer said it would start a three-month

liquidation sale in all of its stores.

OG說因為extended sales slump 整體視為一個N. 所以用recent來形容

不用recently 副詞

但是OG61題目又說Archaeologists believe that a recently

discovered chalice was probably buried to keep it from

being stolen by invaders.

 

 

要怎麼判斷
  
那個名詞
  
是整體是為一個N ??

而不是Mediterranean修飾predecessors //extended修飾sales

slump  所以前面的modifier通通用副詞??

又為什麼既然可以說a recently discovered chalice 卻不能說the recently extended sales slump??


这里不论是形容词还是副词都要注意所修饰的对象是谁
基本概念是形容词修饰名词,而副词修饰形容词
supposed和Mediterranean都是修饰名词 predecessors
recent和extended都修饰sales slump
而最后一句中
recently则是修饰discovered,并非chalice
或者靠意思理解也可以判断
我们只说supposed predecessor,recent sales slump
和 recently discovered
chalice用recent修饰根本讲不通


作者: dreamgirl200    时间: 2006-12-23 02:33
以下是引用Iawfy在2006-12-18 7:17:00的发言:


这里不论是形容词还是副词都要注意所修饰的对象是谁
基本概念是形容词修饰名词,而副词修饰形容词
supposed和Mediterranean都是修饰名词 predecessors
recent和extended都修饰sales slump
而最后一句中
recently则是修饰discovered,并非chalice
或者靠意思理解也可以判断
我们只说supposed predecessor,recent sales slump
和 recently discovered
chalice用recent修饰根本讲不通

agree
作者: watermoon07    时间: 2007-10-25 08:16

还是关于as...as的问题:如果as....as只能是同等的比较,那为什么很多这样的用法:sth. is twice as many as....,    sth. runs 3 times as fast as.....,

我不太明白。


作者: bluepis19    时间: 2008-1-25 23:23
以下是引用watermoon07在2007-10-25 8:16:00的发言:

还是关于as...as的问题:如果as....as只能是同等的比较,那为什么很多这样的用法:sth. is twice as many as....,    sth. runs 3 times as fast as.....,

我不太明白。

我的理解是这样的

A runs 3 times as fast as B这个例子而言

先不要看倍数关系(3 times)

就是表示A跑的如同B一样快

那如果在as前加上倍数关系,就是表示说A跑的速度是(AB跑的一样快的速度)的三倍,所以as…as是同等比较,但as 前加上倍数关系就可以表不同等比较了。

这只是我的浅见,不知道大家觉得呢?

 

另外我还是很迷惑,这题如果要表达年龄同样都是2000年,是要写成:

1.      …are 2000 years old, same as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.

还是

2.      are nearly 2000 years old as old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.

还是

3. …are nearly as 2000 years old as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.


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作者: 卖菜熊    时间: 2008-1-28 16:50

1.      …are 2000 years old, same as any of their supposed Mediterranean predecessors.的写法。

这两个帖子里有讨论

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=2734529&id=103192&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&replyid=1175526&id=58176&page=1&skin=0&Star=1

个人觉得你第二种写法的as前面要加个逗号,第三种写法的话,不能表达出“同样”的意思。


作者: bluepis19    时间: 2008-1-30 13:33

谢谢卖菜熊的回答

因为在讨论帖中看到这三种说法,所以才觉得困惑,不知道那种才是正确的。

所以第一和第二种(补上逗号后)都是正确的,第三种是错的。

可是第三种2000 years后面已经加上old了,这样还是不能表达相等的意思吗?还是说as…as中间只能放一个形容词或副词而已,不能放像”2000 years old”那么长的词?不好意思,因为我语法基础不好,问了这么笨的问题,还请多多包含。


作者: cw_chan    时间: 2008-4-17 16:27
their supposed Mediterranean predecessors 中的their指 the megalithic monuments 吗?
作者: elfgoer    时间: 2008-4-17 19:41
沒錯,their指代句中的複數名詞the megalithic monument
作者: purpleland    时间: 2008-5-7 09:32

尽管看了前人的讨论,还是想同问这道题目。这道题目在白勇文本(206页41题)中的讲解是:as old as 结构前面不能够加数量词,我想请问为什么不能加数量词?不是有3 times as fast as 这种结构吗?是说as old as 前不能加数量词?还是as adj as 前不能加数量词呢? 另外,这道题目好奇怪啊,到底是逻辑错误还是语法错误啊?


作者: elise_ying    时间: 2008-7-23 12:49

为什么是比较呢,哪位NN能再解释清楚点啊?

不胜感激


作者: elise_ying    时间: 2008-7-23 13:41
同问,谁能解答一下啊,NN们?




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