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作者: 半阙    时间: 2012-2-11 20:23
标题: 一个句子的比较问题,求教NN~


As a result of the continuing decline in the birth rate, fewer people will enter the labor force [in the 1980’s] than
did [in the 1960’s and 1970’s]

看到这样一句话,说这里的did不可省。。。为什么啊?!我觉得可省啊!省略就是时间状语的比较,没啥不可以啊~~求教NN~~

作者: michaelmay17    时间: 2012-2-12 00:54
有个简单的原则,看到than肯定要去找比较级的。根据这个原则这里是fewer people,fewer这就决定了是人与人的比较。不然,则由fewer可知,than的前面比较对象是人,than的后面则是时间,不平行。个人见解~
作者: babybearmm    时间: 2012-2-12 05:22
这里关键是时态
你如果直接说"than in the 1960's",就是这个意思:
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than (will people) in the 1960's
Make sense? No!!!! Because "in the 1960's" is a past time indicator, you have to change the tense.
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than did people in the 1960's.

如果我现在说:fewer people will enter X in the 2030's than in the 2020's. 这没问题,因为同样可以用将来时表示。
所以说一旦有tense shift, 或者单复数的变化,必须补出来。这其实是parallelism的要求。



As a result of the continuing decline in the birth rate, fewer people will enter the labor force [in the 1980’s] than
did [in the 1960’s and 1970’s]

看到这样一句话,说这里的did不可省。。。为什么啊?!我觉得可省啊!省略就是时间状语的比较,没啥不可以啊~~求教NN~~
-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/2/11 20:23:47)



作者: 半阙    时间: 2012-2-12 11:11
这里关键是时态
你如果直接说"than in the 1960's",就是这个意思:
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than (will people) in the 1960's
Make sense? No!!!! Because "in the 1960's" is a past time indicator, you have to change the tense.
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than did people in the 1960's.

如果我现在说:fewer people will enter X in the 2030's than in the 2020's. 这没问题,因为同样可以用将来时表示。
所以说一旦有tense shift, 或者单复数的变化,必须补出来。这其实是parallelism的要求。



As a result of the continuing decline in the birth rate, fewer people will enter the labor force [in the 1980’s] than
did [in the 1960’s and 1970’s]

看到这样一句话,说这里的did不可省。。。为什么啊?!我觉得可省啊!省略就是时间状语的比较,没啥不可以啊~~求教NN~~
-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/2/11 20:23:47)



-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/12 5:22:38)





这个就醍醐灌顶了~~~这个知识点我知道,一碰到题就............%>_<%
恩~以后碰到比较的省略一定要注意,时态是不是可以省略!!!
你解析的太透彻了~~谢谢啦~~
作者: 半阙    时间: 2012-2-12 11:21

有个简单的原则,看到than肯定要去找比较级的。根据这个原则这里是fewer people,fewer这就决定了是人与人的比较。不然,则由fewer可知,than的前面比较对象是人,than的后面则是时间,不平行。个人见解~
-- by 会员 michaelmay17 (2012/2/12 0:54:46)




我觉得还是babybearmm说的那个时态原因~~你看她解析的很透彻哈~时态对还是可以这样省略哒,关键是看ETS表达的是不是语义清晰就好了~~

比如:
Rice has protein of higher quality than wheta does.(主语比较,Rice 与wheat比)
意义:米有高质蛋白质,麦没有。
Rice has protein of higher quality than of lower quality(介宾比较,of higher 与 of lower比)
意义:米有高质蛋白质而非低质蛋白质
Rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat(宾语比较,protein 与protein(that指代)比
Rice has protein of higher quality than sugur.(宾语比较,protein 与sugar比)
意义:米中的蛋白质比麦中蛋白质质量高
意义:米中的高质蛋白质比糖多。
Rice has protein of higher quality than usual/everbfore/1000 years ago/people expected(状语比较)
意义:米比通常/经往/多年前/人们预测/的蛋白质质量要高。

这个higher在quality前面,比较也可以有很多种,不一定就是quality与quality的比较对不对?~

作者: yiayia    时间: 2012-2-12 11:25
这里关键是时态
你如果直接说"than in the 1960's",就是这个意思:
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than (will people) in the 1960's
Make sense? No!!!! Because "in the 1960's" is a past time indicator, you have to change the tense.
fewer people will enter X in the 1980s than did people in the 1960's.

如果我现在说:fewer people will enter X in the 2030's than in the 2020's. 这没问题,因为同样可以用将来时表示。
所以说一旦有tense shift, 或者单复数的变化,必须补出来。这其实是parallelism的要求。



As a result of the continuing decline in the birth rate, fewer people will enter the labor force [in the 1980’s] than
did [in the 1960’s and 1970’s]

看到这样一句话,说这里的did不可省。。。为什么啊?!我觉得可省啊!省略就是时间状语的比较,没啥不可以啊~~求教NN~~
-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/2/11 20:23:47)



-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/12 5:22:38)


赞~~
再补充一下,有些童鞋可能问怎么知道1980是将来,1960、1970是过去,句中有个continuing,说明decline 已经发生,同样可以推理出很少有人进入劳动市场了,这件事也发生了,因此用did。
作者: 玄冥太子    时间: 2012-8-22 18:19

有个简单的原则,看到than肯定要去找比较级的。根据这个原则这里是fewer people,fewer这就决定了是人与人的比较。不然,则由fewer可知,than的前面比较对象是人,than的后面则是时间,不平行。个人见解~
-- by 会员 michaelmay17 (2012/2/12 0:54:46)



最后那个than ever before, than 1000 years ago 这里没有时态的变化么?为什么不补出助动词?

我觉得还是babybearmm说的那个时态原因~~你看她解析的很透彻哈~时态对还是可以这样省略哒,关键是看ETS表达的是不是语义清晰就好了~~

比如:
Rice has protein of higher quality than wheta does.(主语比较,Rice 与wheat比)
意义:米有高质蛋白质,麦没有。
Rice has protein of higher quality than of lower quality(介宾比较,of higher 与 of lower比)
意义:米有高质蛋白质而非低质蛋白质
Rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat(宾语比较,protein 与protein(that指代)比
Rice has protein of higher quality than sugur.(宾语比较,protein 与sugar比)
意义:米中的蛋白质比麦中蛋白质质量高
意义:米中的高质蛋白质比糖多。
Rice has protein of higher quality than usual/everbfore/1000 years ago/people expected(状语比较)
意义:米比通常/经往/多年前/人们预测/的蛋白质质量要高。

这个higher在quality前面,比较也可以有很多种,不一定就是quality与quality的比较对不对?~
-- by 会员 半阙 (2012/2/12 11:21:40)






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