答案E。这题没有人问，大家都没有问题吗？做的时候我也选了E，但搞不懂句子的结构，划线部分与未划线部分如何连接的呢？请教。
作者: roberta 时间: 2004-8-18 15:56
Q20:
The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.
- that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
- that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also
- having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
- cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also
- cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
句子主干是：The first trenches have yielded strong evidence.
evidence 后面的that。。是一个同位语结构。
答案E。这题没有人问，大家都没有问题吗？做的时候我也选了E，但搞不懂句子的结构，划线部分与未划线部分如何连接的呢？请教。
作者: leeon 时间: 2004-8-18 16:03
The first trenches (cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, )have yielded strong evidence {that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose (simultaneously with but independently of )the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.}
作者: tony6 时间: 2004-8-18 17:40
谢谢LEEON和ROBERTA。
这种动词分别跟两个介词的方式，虽然不是第一次见到，96年12月北美TOEFL阅读中还有2、3个介词连用的情况：
what we today call America folk arts was, indeed, art of, by, and for ordinary, everyday "folks" who, with increasing prosperity and leisure, created a market for art of all kinds, and especially for portaits.
但是本句中这样用, 介词的搭配没有问题吗？
我查了LONGMAN，arise 只有跟介词from和out of的用法，没有本句中的with和of的用法。请教。
作者: leeon 时间: 2004-8-19 08:42
arise后面能跟的介词很多，in,at,through,by,on...这里的介词of却比较少见，我想这里的of相当于介词among,表达arise independently在...当中.
作者: 蓝妹妹 时间: 2004-9-17 16:41
可是，为什么要用完成时have yielded 呢？
作者: hanson_luo 时间: 2004-9-26 03:36
这题关键是考语法，前面为什么用完成时，后面用一般过去时呢？
作者: hanson_luo 时间: 2004-9-26 16:45
up up
作者: dajiao 时间: 2004-10-16 03:16
I choose c,
why is c wrong?
作者: sereny 时间: 2004-10-19 00:49
C. 从句中没有理由用过去进行时，且开头用完成时的进行时修饰主语也不对，因为此处强调的是被动，不是强调状态
作者: sunshining 时间: 2004-10-23 10:49
why A is wrong, please?
A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
作者: bose0008 时间: 2004-10-24 06:40
...societies that were arising (simultaneously with but independently of) ...city-states....
C & D omitted 'with', making the sentence unclear.
作者: ejiao 时间: 2004-11-15 02:12
why A is wrong??
作者: droppa 时间: 2004-11-15 15:08
我也选了A，但是现在看看觉得evidence后面的话用短语来说实在太长了，而且不通，middle east后面的that从句有修饰不准确的嫌疑。
而且GMAT里涉及到evidence的话一般都是用that从句（LZM里好象有说过），
作者: beautywawa 时间: 2004-11-16 22:05
看來看去,,還是不懂那個with在這的作用??????
作者: longyear 时间: 2004-11-19 07:57
A有两个不足。
1、that were，是可要可不要的，E选项里出现了不要that were的形式，那就这点而言，E更佳。
2、evidence后面用that从句修饰是最好的。A的方式显然不好。还是E更佳。
作者: lettuce 时间: 2004-11-21 02:54
- cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
不明白这里为什么要用with
作者: 爱维的天 时间: 2004-12-4 23:49
Up!
两个问题未解
1.为什么用完成式，这题一看到就先把完成式全删了
2.arise with…，with的作用
作者: jackieduan 时间: 2004-12-5 01:35
Up!
两个问题未解
1.为什么用完成式，这题一看到就先把完成式全删了
2.arise with…，with的作用
1 通过trenches产生了一个有力的证据，用现在完成时在逻辑上是没有问题的，而使用的一般现在时的B,D选项，都错误地用“Yields”和trenches搭配，自然就被排除掉了
2 with是指中东北部地区的复杂的社会，是与"city-states"一同出现的，所以是arise simultaneously with city-states
作者: missing_80 时间: 2004-12-8 01:30
A有两个不足。
1、that were，是可要可不要的，E选项里出现了不要that were的形式，那就这点而言，E更佳。
2、evidence后面用that从句修饰是最好的。A的方式显然不好。还是E更佳。
同意longyear GG第一条意见。请见OG No2对A的解释
作者: bigp 时间: 2005-1-10 05:38
其实这句话不难理解：
主要是强调这个society的两个特性：arise simultaneously with the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia， but arise independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia。也就是说，它的产生是和后者同时，但是并无相互关系。
作者: zhaoshujuanw 时间: 2005-1-12 04:50
我依然不明白为什么用"have yielded--------",请指教
作者: tai6996 时间: 2005-1-12 10:49
zhaoshujuanw mm 再看清楚點 句子的主詞是the first trenches 所以就用have yielded囉 如果你是問為什麼用完成式 只能說他是強調到目前為止都還在yield的狀態 所以用完成式
作者: 美林 时间: 2005-1-13 13:25
谢谢LEEON和ROBERTA。
这种动词分别跟两个介词的方式，虽然不是第一次见到，96年12月北美TOEFL阅读中还有2、3个介词连用的情况：
what we today call America folk arts was, indeed, art of, by, and for ordinary, everyday "folks" who, with increasing prosperity and leisure, created a market for art of all kinds, and especially for portaits.
但是本句中这样用, 介词的搭配没有问题吗？
我查了LONGMAN，arise 只有跟介词from和out of的用法，没有本句中的with和of的用法。请教。
这里的搭配不是arise with 和arise of ,而是simultaneously with 和independently of.
在做题的时候,并列关系是优先考虑项,所以看到but 以及but 后面跟的independently of,我们就应该想到,but 前面要出现一个副词再加上一个介词的形式,根本不用考虑太多.
这是我的理解,希望大家讨论
作者: 美林 时间: 2005-1-13 13:29
可是，为什么要用完成时have yielded 呢？
本题的四个选项中,谓语动词有两种:have yielded 和yields.因为句子的主语中心语是trenches, 所以肯定要用have yielded 了.要根据题目解题,而不是根据我们自己的语法知识解题.
作者: billgong 时间: 2005-1-17 12:46
美林说得没错，这里arising后没跟任何宾语或介词。simultaneously with 和 independently of 都是用来比较 centrally administered complex societies 和 the more celebrated city-states。
作者: TonyTu 时间: 2005-1-18 06:40
A) would have been right if "were arising" is replaced by "arose", right?
作者: TonyTu 时间: 2005-1-19 07:05
I think I know exactly why A) is wrong.
For A). the sentense can be simplified as:
Trenches have yielded evidence for societies.
But this is meaningless; what the author really wants to state is:
Trenches have yielded evidence that societies arouse ....
作者: nasa_mst 时间: 2005-1-19 12:06
following is my thought :
first of all , A and B is wrong since they both not concise , use that that ..... to modify instead of "cut"
C , not indication that cut action last till now ...
D and E , I prefer to D , because there is indeed no definite time clause to indicate needs of using passive tense.
作者: wojianiu 时间: 2005-3-23 08:59
可是，为什么要用完成时have yielded 呢？
Till now, the action of "yield" has finished.
作者: ethyl 时间: 2005-5-24 20:09
好厉害的招数！非常人所能为也……呵呵
Ａ：两个that were可以去掉；逻辑意思错，have yielded evidence for …societies；
B：that were可以去掉；yields错；were arising时态不准确
C：having been得去掉；were arising时态不准确；simultaneously后面少一个with或者其他
D：yields错；evidence后改成从句更好；少一个with
E：正确
作者: barmecide 时间: 2005-6-13 10:19
这里的搭配不是arise with 和arise of ,而是simultaneously with 和independently of.
不敢苟同，副词与介词连用是什么语法？
作者: 蓝夕叶子 时间: 2005-8-1 18:27
发错帖子了～
作者: weichenli 时间: 2005-8-1 21:16
不好意思, 我以为 with 是跟 simoultaneously, of 是跟 idependent, 这样我就不觉得歧意了, 有没有谁有看法呢?
作者: weichenli 时间: 2005-8-1 21:29
因该是phrase 的用法, 而不是副词介词连用吧? 要不就像有个人说的, 看平衡就好, 别想太深
作者: hncsxj 时间: 2005-8-3 09:44
arose simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.
（社会）和那些著名的美索不达米亚南部的城邦同时但独立地兴起，也就是在现在伊拉克南部。
翻译出来就知道为什么是e了
作者: rosebudxiaojie 时间: 2005-9-5 22:45
那with是这么回事呀，是arose后的介词吗？
这种用法是什么意思呀？
作者: zhangone 时间: 2005-9-19 03:14
i think trenches may yield evidence for complex societies, not "societies arose simultaneously..."
besides, i don't think there's any error in choice A
作者: XUANYA2005 时间: 2005-11-1 14:50
我但是用with就排除了很多选项，后来看句子结构只能选择E
看longman解释：
things that are simultaneous happen at exactly the same time
They grabbed each other's hands in simultaneous panic. Up to twenty users can have simultaneous access to the system.
simultaneous with
The withdrawal of British troops should be simultaneous with that of US forces.
The speeches will be broadcast live, with simultaneous translation (=immediate translation, as the person is speaking) into English.
ￚsimultaneously adverb The opera will be broadcast simultaneously on television and radio.
作者: zhoujian 时间: 2005-12-16 21:22
我觉得A错在evidence for和were arising上
evidence后面应该是对evidence的详细说明，而A里面的for变成了对centrally administered complex societies的证据了，逻辑意思不对。
再者这里也没必要用过去进行式，正在产生，没有时态上同时进行的对象呀，过去式就好了。
作者: tracyding 时间: 2006-2-16 09:23
请问NN们：A与E 不同于 E比 A 更简洁吗？另外“ have yielded strong evidence for 。。。。societies”这种表达错吗？
作者: fannyyudan 时间: 2006-6-25 13:05
请问NN们：A与E 不同于 E比 A 更简洁吗？另外“ have yielded strong evidence for 。。。。societies”这种表达错吗？
A错在evidence for，用that从句来限定是最好的，一般后面这个evidence的具体内容是这么长的就直接可以判断用that了，短的话可以用of，当然也要看of之后是不是phrase
作者: bigmachine 时间: 2007-5-29 10:09
首先排除C having ,然后排出 but also B D ,最后排出A 过去进行时，时态不对。答案为E
作者: 罗马青年 时间: 2007-6-1 21:47
bigmachine 提出了一个新点：but also 可以排除B，D；很好！谢谢！
作者: нандин 时间: 2007-8-19 18:05
bigmachine 提出了一个新点：but also 可以排除B，D；很好！谢谢！
作者: tangzimo 时间: 2007-10-20 16:22
哦，明……
作者: smilingalone 时间: 2008-4-23 20:31
A有两个不足。
1、that were，是可要可不要的，E选项里出现了不要that were的形式，那就这点而言，E更佳。
2、evidence后面用that从句修饰是最好的。A的方式显然不好。还是E更佳。
很有道理！！
作者: bmwedward 时间: 2008-8-7 12:12
The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.
A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but
evidence 後接that較為貼切
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar,
the first trenches 應用複數動詞yield, also 多餘
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but
having been錯誤 simultaneously後少with與 independently of對稱
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar,
the first trenches 應用複數動詞yield, evidence 後接that較為貼切, also 多餘, simultaneously 後少with
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
正確
作者: huyannancy 时间: 2008-10-31 22:48
The first trenches that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but independently of the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.
A. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence for centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East that were arising simultaneously with but 1. That were多余，可以去掉；2.evidience 后面的修饰语太多，
表达不清，应该改为用同位语从句来清楚地表达意思，同时用evidence for的逻辑意思错误；
B. that were cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously with but also . 1.That were多余，可以去掉; 2. Trenches 与yields不搭；3. 时态不对,后面为now，则前面的yield已经完成，应该用完成时态；4. Also 多余
C. having been cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East were arising simultaneously but 1.having been 多余，应该去掉；2. Were arising 的时态不对，应该为过去时；3. But 作为连词，
连接的两个词应该在结构上类似，则后面为independently of ，前面就应该为simultaneously +介词
D. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, yields strong evidence of centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arising simultaneously but also 1. Yields 与前面的trenches不搭；2.evidience 后面的修饰语太多，
表达不清，应该改为用同位语从句来清楚地表达意思，同时用evidence of的逻辑意思错误；3. 时态不对,后面为now，则前面的yield已经完成，应该用完成时态；4. Also 多余
E. cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
正确，时态对，but 作为连词的用法正确，
evidence后面用同位语从句正确清楚地表达意思。
注意：当看到but, and 等连词时，一定要注意，连词连接的两个部分要在结构上一定要平衡，
这个可以作为一定错误的点
作者: johnbelieve 时间: 2008-12-23 16:27
36楼~up~~
作者: rabits5218 时间: 2009-8-29 00:44
為什麼trenches 不是用 被動呢?
為什麼不是A呢?
作者: mars_cheung 时间: 2009-9-24 19:02
LS的MM，the trenches cut... 和 the trenches that were cut... 是定语的两种表达方式（分词和定语从句），不是被动的问题。
A 的错误主要在于后面 evidence for...。 for 后面的部分应该是 evidence 的内容，而并非 evidence 的修饰语，而且改动之后，将 arise 从 societies 的谓语变成 meddile east 的修饰语，改变了原意而且逻辑错误。
详细的 E 选项翻译可参见 36 楼的解释。
作者: zanyingsan 时间: 2009-12-9 22:36
为什么没人提出来that不能指代复数名词呢？
作者: rose86511 时间: 2010-1-17 15:55
托福的这个例句让我想起了“the government of the people, by the people, and for the people”这一名句。
作者: jessiejie 时间: 2010-5-18 22:41
如果选项中既有have yeild也有yeild(而不是现在的单数形式yeilds）那么完成时和一般现在时哪个取优呢？
作者: luul65 时间: 2010-7-26 23:12
什么意思呀？楼上能仔细说说嘛？
作者: formyf 时间: 2011-6-6 22:50
为什么 A里用for 表示对 centrally administered complex societies的证据 逻辑意思为什么不对呢？
作者: qiaohengsdu 时间: 2011-7-19 21:22
把but independently of 理解为插入语是不是更好？
作者: qiaohengsdu 时间: 2011-7-20 09:00
作者: ssyy23 时间: 2011-8-7 17:02
cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, have yielded strong evidence that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose simultaneously with but
with but ,没看懂，牛牛帮忙！
作者: vilawe 时间: 2011-8-15 20:15
好厉害的招数！非常人所能为也……呵呵
-- by 会员 ethyl (2005/5/24 20:09:00)
这招确实很狠，我就这么不求甚解记住了，但还是想知道副词+介词是个什么结构
作者: vilawe 时间: 2011-8-15 20:17
请NN指教
作者: geniealice 时间: 2011-10-1 17:41
The first trenches (cut into a 500-acre site at Tell Hamoukar, Syria, )have yielded strong evidence {that centrally administered complex societies in northern regions of the Middle East arose (simultaneously with but independently of )the more celebrated city-states of southern Mesopotamia, in what is now southern Iraq.}
主干：The trenches have yielded evidence that societies arose [simultaneously with (city-states) but independently of] city-states.
（社会）和那些著名的美索不达米亚南部的城邦同时但独立地兴起，也就是在现在伊拉克南部。
集合前面贴子，众NN的话～～
作者: sackie 时间: 2012-6-26 11:00
我觉得前面一个NN的话很对，首先这种复杂的并列句的情况下，代入好像是最好的方法，即...societies arose simutaneously with the city-states but ...societies arose independently of the city-states.我觉得这个解释对我最有帮助。
作者: tata916 时间: 2012-8-8 17:17
整句翻译大约是这样：
叙利亚的Tell Hamoukar被划割为500英亩土地的第一壕沟地带产生有力的证据证明在中东北部地区集中管理的综合社会和那些位于美索不达米亚南部（现伊拉克南部）的著名城邦同时但独立地兴起。
作者: cimai 时间: 2012-9-15 04:33
还有一个问题，这个最后in what is now southern Iraq是什么用法呢？定语从句？那不是只能which。OG12上的Q70题也是用in what。很迷惑，求解释！谢谢！！
作者: alwaystom 时间: 2013-3-9 21:47
个人理解：in what = which，但是which引导的定语从句语法上修饰Mesopotamia，逻辑上修饰regions，所以会带来矛盾，所以用in what来保证修饰对象(in northern) regions.
作者: alwaystom 时间: 2013-3-9 22:01
我也想提问，原题中societies是中心词+后置修饰语in northern regions (of the Middle East)，E中arose是不是语法上修饰regions，逻辑上修饰societies，带来语法修饰与逻辑修饰的矛盾？
作者: cyuyolanda 时间: 2013-4-10 07:28
longyear 发表于 2004-11-19 07:57
A有两个不足。1、that were，是可要可不要的，E选项里出现了不要that were的形式，那就这点而言，E更佳。2 ...
很清楚~~解决了我的疑惑~~
作者: lesley0927 时间: 2013-6-23 01:27
vilawe 发表于 2011-8-15 20:15
在做题的时候,并列关系是优先考虑项,所以看到but 以及but 后面跟的independently of,我们就应该想到, ...
谢谢，终于懂了
作者: wuersanmo 时间: 2014-2-28 10:22
未划线部分的in what is now southern Iraq.是什么结构呢？？不是说what不可以代替which引导定语从句吗？
作者: heyuandi 时间: 2014-3-3 22:15
看看帖子的时间还是2004年的，一晃10年过去了
作者: tanyixi318 时间: 2014-5-15 13:50
求问为什么trenches不要用被动？为什么og13对这题解释that were cut...and that were arising...are unnecessarily wordy??
作者: heidiym 时间: 2014-7-5 09:42
10年前的问题10年后还在讨论 哇 忽然好感慨啊 10年前我还在小学呢
作者: Hendy 时间: 2014-12-28 01:13
10年前我大二
作者: Weilli 时间: 2016-8-17 14:01
看一下！
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