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作者: sullivan215 时间: 2012-1-10 09:42
标题: OG12 SC 125 疑惑中，请赐教！
125. Today, because of improvements in agricultural
technology, the same amount of acreage produces
double the apples that it has in 1910.
(A) double the apples that it has
(B) twice as many apples as it did
(C) as much as twice the apples it has
(D) two times as many apples as there were
(E) a doubling of the apples that it did

本题答案是B.
想问问哪位大N知道为何OG对E的解释是：
A doubling of the apples is awkward and, when joined with that it did, suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.

为什么这里说是“suggests doubling the apples themselves”，应该怎样理解才对呢？请赐教~！

作者: lxd19870226 时间: 2012-1-10 11:00
a doubling of the apples 苹果的两倍
要表达的意思的是苹果数量的两倍

作者: sullivan215 时间: 2012-1-10 12:17

a doubling of the apples 苹果的两倍
要表达的意思的是苹果数量的两倍

-- by 会员 lxd19870226 (2012/1/10 11:00:11)

多谢lxd的回答!
只是解释中下面有一句"when joined with that it did"让我理解好像是“a doubling of the apples ”和“that it did"共同作用后，才有”suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples“这个结果...还是不太明白，希望能够详细说明一下，感谢呀！

作者: yiayia 时间: 2012-1-30 18:22

a doubling of the apples 苹果的两倍
要表达的意思的是苹果数量的两倍

-- by 会员 lxd19870226 (2012/1/10 11:00:11)

有道理啊，之前一直没懂

作者: Suri在奋斗 时间: 2012-1-30 20:21
我选B，就觉得E怪怪的
看ls几位的难道是说现在 E表示数量总共是1991产的三倍，多出了两倍，所以不符合去掉么？？

作者: slgbond 时间: 2012-1-30 20:46
lxd19870226 大侠解释得很好了
G友sullivan215 没看懂，OG12的解释
“A doubling of the apples is awkward and, when joined with that it did, suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.”

这个句子解释，我这么看

when joined with that it did, A doubling of the apples is awkward and suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.
当和it联在一起，doubling of the apples 就显得别扭了并且（意思是）说
苹果自己的两倍，不是苹果数量的两倍

你看看，你的问题解决了没？呵呵

作者: ptlove4ever 时间: 2012-1-31 15:21
it在这里指的应该是amount，则用a doubling of apples会与后边的it不一致。

作者: ptlove4ever 时间: 2012-1-31 22:19
我还想补充一个问题，仍然是关于这句话的OG解释
他说double the apple这个短语会有两种理解：twice as many as或者as many as。
我有点不懂，不是有double么？为什么还会有as many as的理解呢？

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-2-1 07:10
E选项代入原句，就是：
125E. Today, because of improvements in agricultural technology, the same amount of acreage produces
a doubling of the apples that it did in 1910.

did=produced，代入：
... produces a doubling of the apples that it produced in 1910.

看到了么？"that it produced in 1910" is an essential modifier that "defines" the apples.
换句话说，"the apples that it produced in 1910"这一部分，特指那些个1910年生产出来的苹果。
那么a doubling of "那些个1910年生产出来的苹果" 不合逻辑，这就是OG解释中说的：
A doubling of the apples is awkward and, when joined with that it did, suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.
回忆一下咱平常见到的"double"的句子:
..., doubling the amount of X
..., doubling the rate of X
于是我们发现，"double"后面往往跟这一类的词：amount, quantity, speed, frequency, rate (of), rates (for), price, ...有规律吧？肯定不能跟"apples""students"这一类的具体的东东。

而这题正确选项代入：
125B. Today, because of improvements in agricultural technology, the same amount of acreage produces
twice as many apples as it did in 1910.

句子主干：
Acreage produces apples as it did. 没问题

然后用到twice as many ... (as)来修饰apples的数量，所以加到"apples"前面。
（类比：要说5个苹果，把表数量的five加到apples前面，变成"five apples"）
Acreage produces twice as many apples as it did.

检查一下：比较双方，前者是第一个as后面的名词"apples"，后者是第二个as之后"it did"的宾语( "it did ___" 和前面 "acreage produces apples" 是平行结构，所以"it did ___"那个宾语必然和前面的宾语apples平行，必然可比）。OK,没问题。

——以上，比较啰嗦，其实我想细说B选项这个结构怎么出来的，然后就知道为什么"it has"或者"there were"和前面的"acreage produces apples"不平行。

希望能解答以上同学的疑问....欢迎讨论~

125. Today, because of improvements in agricultural
technology, the same amount of acreage produces
double the apples that it has in 1910.
(A) double the apples that it has
(B) twice as many apples as it did
(C) as much as twice the apples it has
(D) two times as many apples as there were
(E) a doubling of the apples that it did

本题答案是B.
想问问哪位大N知道为何OG对E的解释是：
A doubling of the apples is awkward and, when joined with that it did, suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.

为什么这里说是“suggests doubling the apples themselves”，应该怎样理解才对呢？请赐教~！

-- by 会员 sullivan215 (2012/1/10 9:42:51)

作者: 清飞扬 时间: 2012-2-1 08:38

这道题如果我遇到，我不管她怎么解释，我只知道
A不对，因为double是verb, 所以Produces double是双动词，句子错误
C不对，It指代谁？ the same amount？但是原文是the same amount produces,是do sth，可是右半边是has，助动词不对称
D不对，也是同样道理there were不平行，前半句没有there be的使用
E不对，a doubling of这个doubling是noun，倍数不是这么表达的

within 20second

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-2-1 08:59
靠语感选出正确答案，和把别人讲懂，是两回事。
我们练习的题目，全是retired questions，没有任何一道题会出现在真实考试当中。
练习的时候语感好，20s做对，谁有能保证考试那么紧张的情况下也能有那么好的预感？
或者，练习的时候，花20s时间排除了A/C/D/E，真正考试时，那些干扰选项不像这么长，换了个长相，又怎么办？

我觉得这里讨论的同学都很赞，他们中我相信有很多人选对了答案，但是大家相互探讨，追求的是怎么理解OG这句拗口的话，甚或遇到类似选项类似题目怎么办.....

我们现在花5分钟、10分钟、半小时甚至更长时间，彻底弄懂这个结构怎么回事，那么下次一看到这个题目，直接潜意识就知道该往哪个选项瞅：
doubling the quantity/number of sth (countable).
或者twice as many as sth (countable).
然后再扫一眼其它选项，就能选对了
整个过程within 10 sec

Just my two cents..

作者: Suri在奋斗 时间: 2012-2-1 09:06

E选项代入原句，就是：
125E. Today, because of improvements in agricultural technology, the same amount of acreage produces
a doubling of the applesthat it did in 1910.

did=produced，代入：
... produces a doubling of the applesthat it produced in 1910.

看到了么？"that it produced in 1910" is an essential modifier that "defines" the apples.
换句话说，"the applesthat it produced in 1910"这一部分，特指那些个1910年生产出来的苹果。
那么a doubling of "那些个1910年生产出来的苹果" 不合逻辑，这就是OG解释中说的：
A doubling of the apples is awkward and, when joined with that it did, suggests doubling the apples themselves, not the amount of apples.
回忆一下咱平常见到的"double"的句子:
..., doubling the amount of X
..., doubling the rate of X
于是我们发现，"double"后面往往跟这一类的词：amount, quantity, speed, frequency, rate (of), rates (for), price, ...有规律吧？肯定不能跟"apples""students"这一类的具体的东东。

而这题正确选项代入：
125B. Today, because of improvements in agricultural technology, the same amount of acreage produces
twice as many apples as it did in 1910.

句子主干：
Acreage produces apples as it did. 没问题

然后用到twice as many ... (as)来修饰apples的数量，所以加到"apples"前面。
（类比：要说5个苹果，把表数量的five加到apples前面，变成"five apples"）
Acreage produces twice as many apples as it did.

检查一下：比较双方，前者是第一个as后面的名词"apples"，后者是第二个as之后"it did"的宾语( "it did ___" 和前面 "acreage produces apples" 是平行结构，所以"it did ___"那个宾语必然和前面的宾语apples平行，必然可比）。OK,没问题。

——以上，比较啰嗦，其实我想细说B选项这个结构怎么出来的，然后就知道为什么"it has"或者"there were"和前面的"acreage produces apples"不平行。

希望能解答以上同学的疑问....欢迎讨论~

-- by 会员 sullivan215 (2012/1/10 9:42:51)

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/1 7:10:25)

作者: 笨蛋加油 时间: 2012-2-1 09:09
我记得prep08有一句话是这么说的。。。a doubling of 永远错。。。

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-2-1 09:22
我刚才google了一下"a doubling of"，找到了About 6,090,000 results

随便贴几个：

associated with a doubling of the concentration of carbon dioxide

Greenworks Philadelphia projects adoubling of this numberas workers are employed in areas such as weatherization, green infrastructureand other ...

expressed as that which would result from adoubling of atmosphericCO2
（这里atmosphericCO2其实是指atmospheric CO2的浓度）

“Moore'sLaw, which has defined a doubling of price/performance/value produced bysemi-conductors every 12 to 18 months since 1966, will continue to deliver ...

…..

我想说，归纳一下, “a doublingof” 后面跟什么样的词？
数量(number,amount, quantity…)，价值，一些物理量(如concentration, pressure, force…)

之所以有人归纳说“GMAT里面 a doubling of 永远错”，是因为GMAT经常会错误地在 “a doubling of” 后面跟具体名词诸如apples, students——这用法就是错的。

我记得prep08有一句话是这么说的。。。a doubling of 永远错。。。

-- by 会员笨蛋加油 (2012/2/1 9:09:07)

作者: Suri在奋斗 时间: 2012-2-1 09:50

我刚才google了一下"a doubling of"，找到了About 6,090,000 results

随便贴几个：

associated with a doubling of the concentration of carbon dioxide

Greenworks Philadelphia projects adoubling of this numberas workers are employed in areas such as weatherization, green infrastructureand other ...

expressed as that which would result from adoubling ofatmosphericCO2
（这里atmosphericCO2其实是指atmospheric CO2的浓度）

“Moore'sLaw, which has defined a doubling ofprice/performance/value produced bysemi-conductors every 12 to 18 months since 1966, will continue to deliver ...

…..

我想说，归纳一下, “a doublingof” 后面跟什么样的词？
数量(number,amount, quantity…)，价值，一些物理量(如concentration, pressure, force…)

之所以有人归纳说“GMAT里面 a doubling of 永远错”，是因为GMAT经常会错误地在 “a doubling of” 后面跟具体名词诸如apples, students——这用法就是错的。

我记得prep08有一句话是这么说的。。。a doubling of 永远错。。。

-- by 会员笨蛋加油 (2012/2/1 9:09:07)

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/1 9:22:23)

记住鸟~~~

作者: 愁容骑士 时间: 2012-2-16 11:52
谢谢你！！！侬是好人！！！！祝你幸福！！！

作者: phoebe0624 时间: 2012-3-11 19:32
好贴，支持

作者: zwhjzwhj 时间: 2012-7-10 21:36
我想弱弱的问一下D项的解释，Two times is wordy ............. why？
D选项是two times as many apples as ，这不是符合倍数的说法的吗。难道就因为two times是两个词，而twice是一个词咩~

-- by 会员 sullivan215 (2012/1/10 9:42:51)

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/1 7:10:25)

作者: monoecy 时间: 2012-7-15 13:49
Today, because of improvements in agricultural
technology, the same amount of acreage produces
a doubling of the amount of the apples that it did in 1910.

请赐教! 这句句子对吗? 虽然我自己读着也觉得很wordy

作者: babybearmm 时间: 2012-7-16 05:12
the amount of the apples肯定不对
apples用number而不是amount，除非作者的本意是用类似kg之类的单位来计量apples

Today, because of improvements in agricultural
technology, the same amount of acreage produces
a doubling of the amount of the apples that it did in 1910.

请赐教! 这句句子对吗? 虽然我自己读着也觉得很wordy

-- by 会员 monoecy (2012/7/15 13:49:32)

作者: abjure 时间: 2012-9-4 17:31
不是第一遍看这题，刚刚，看了manhattan关于TWICE ， double， twice as many, twice as much 的一些解释解释，感觉理解了，觉得要在context知道如何使用这些词才算搞懂了。就顺便把相关信息放上来，以便后人使用。

In general :
if you say "twice as many", then this construction should be paired with a countable noun.
e.g., twice as many dogs --> "dogs" is a countable noun

if you said "twice as much", then this construction should be paired with an uncountable noun.
e.g., twice as much water --> "water" is an uncountable noun

if the noun in question is already an explicitly numerical quantity, then you should use neither "much" nor "many". instead, you should just use "twice" or "double" by itself. // 这里就是BABYBEAR MM 前面说到的：“ "double"后面往往跟这一类的词：amount, quantity, speed, frequency, rate (of), rates (for), price, ...有规律吧？肯定不能跟"apples""students"这一类的具体的东东。”

我的理解就是因为apple太多属性，尺寸，重量 etc，所以使用double noun的时候需要明确其物理属性，否则就错了。。。

e.g., twice the increase --> "increase" is an explicitly numerical quantity

these rules are followed pretty closely.
so, for instance:
twice as much water --> correct, since "water" is an uncountable noun (but is not an explicitly numerical quantity)
twice the water... --> incorrect, since water is not a numerical quantity

twice as much as the increase... --> incorrect; redundant
twice the increase... --> correct

-RON
-"..., twice as many as ..." is an APPOSITIVE modifier. Appositives must modify some noun that comes immediately before the comma. //prep有一题

NOTE:
If you have an appositive modifier as an ABSTRACT NOUN - such as "strategy", "figure", "statistic", "findings", "situation", "change", "difference" etc. - then such an appositive may be allowed to describe the entire situation described in the preceding clause.

Examples:
"... rose sharply in 1990, twice as many as ... " -- WRONG!!
"... rose sharply in 1990, doubling the increase of the previous year." -- RIGHT!!

linkage: http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/the-number-of-people-flying-first-t5600.html

作者: esther小冰 时间: 2012-10-25 01:34
不是很理解explicity numerical quantity,求高人指导。。。

作者: kiwifoodtown 时间: 2012-10-25 13:35

不是很理解explicity numerical quantity,求高人指导。。。

-- by 会员 esther小冰 (2012/10/25 1:34:36)

指有很明确的数量，这时候就用倍数。如果数量含糊，用much 或many.

作者: starlitcream 时间: 2013-1-3 20:28
标题: og sc 125求解惑
125. Today, because of improvements in agricultural
technology, the same amount of acreage produces
double the apples that it has in 1910.
(A) double the apples that it has
(B) twice as many apples as it did
(C) as much as twice the apples it has
(D) two times as many apples as there were
(E) a doubling of the apples that it did答案是b
我的问题是那个did
曼哈顿说如果时态改变了就不能用助动词指代了，前面是produces现在时，为什么后面变为了过去式还能指代？

作者: pwt930 时间: 2013-3-15 16:59
标题: 同问那！！！OG‘the phase double the apples is not very exact but it could be understoo

我还想补充一个问题，仍然是关于这句话的OG解释
他说double the apple这个短语会有两种理解：twice as many as或者as many as。
我有点不懂，不是有double么？为什么还会有as many as的理解呢？

-- by 会员 ptlove4ever (2012/1/31 22:19:28)

作者: fpd 时间: 2013-3-15 17:55
哥们看语义啊。、。、、

作者: fpd 时间: 2013-3-15 17:58

靠语感选出正确答案，和把别人讲懂，是两回事。
我们练习的题目，全是retired questions，没有任何一道题会出现在真实考试当中。
练习的时候语感好，20s做对，谁有能保证考试那么紧张的情况下也能有那么好的预感？
或者，练习的时候，花20s时间排除了A/C/D/E，真正考试时，那些干扰选项不像这么长，换了个长相，又怎么办？

我觉得这里讨论的同学都很赞，他们中我相信有很多人选对了答案，但是大家相互探讨，追求的是怎么理解OG这句拗口的话，甚或遇到类似选项类似题目怎么办.....

我们现在花5分钟、10分钟、半小时甚至更长时间，彻底弄懂这个结构怎么回事，那么下次一看到这个题目，直接潜意识就知道该往哪个选项瞅：
doubling the quantity/number of sth (countable).
或者twice as many as sth (countable).
然后再扫一眼其它选项，就能选对了
整个过程within 10 sec

Just my two cents..

-- by 会员 babybearmm (2012/2/1 8:59:47)

baby姐，我想请教一下，像 double 这种属于idioms吗？我记得 RON 说 idioms 类型的，一般GMAT不太着重去考察

作者: ARG 时间: 2013-6-11 18:22
果断膜拜Baby姐

作者: cinderellaandme 时间: 2013-8-28 12:28
新问题！！【关于TWICE的位置】已知正确选项B,错误选项C：
B. twice as many apples as it did
C. as much as twice the apples it has

C中使用”much"明显是错的，若将C改正为
as many as twice the apples it did
是对的吗？
现在C与正确答案B的区别就是twice 的位置不同。

作者: olivia瓜瓜 时间: 2013-9-6 10:46
好贴。都是牛MM GG！爱死了！

作者: marisol 时间: 2013-11-23 23:52

新问题！！【关于TWICE的位置】已知正确选项B,错误选项C：
B. twice as many apples as it did
C. as much as twice the apples it has
C中使用”much"明显是错的，若将C改正为
as many as twice the apples it did
是对的吗？
现在C与正确答案B的区别就是twice 的位置不同。

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个人拙见，twice是副词不能直接修饰名词
B选项，twice修饰的是many，为adv.修饰adj.，而经你改过的c选项，twice修饰的是the apples，不符合副词修饰原则。

我这么理解的~~~共同讨论哟~

作者: kakadinho 时间: 2013-12-13 23:20

starlitcream 发表于 2013-1-3 20:28
125. Today, because of improvements in agriculturaltechnology, the same amount of acreage producesdo ...

这个Ron已经在论坛上明确表示，这是一个疏忽，新版的Manhattan会取消这个论断的。

原话是： One of the prime uses of helping verbs in parallel constructions is to express the same verb in a different tense. ... If you use "did/do/does/etc." to stand for an action verb, then it can be parallel to any tense of that action verb.

作者: metesici 时间: 2014-9-26 14:57

abjure 发表于 2012-9-4 17:31
不是第一遍看这题，刚刚，看了manhattan关于TWICE ， double， twice as many, twice as much 的一些解释解 ...

赞！

作者: hizxt 时间: 2014-11-7 03:45

babybearmm 发表于 2012-2-1 07:10
E选项代入原句，就是：125E. Today, because of improvements in agricultural technology, the same amoun ...

好清楚！！谢谢

作者: Hendy 时间: 2015-1-2 10:33
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