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作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 13:17
标题: 严重质疑大全434

International sporting events need not be fiscal disasters, the financial success of the 1992 Olympic Games demonstrates that fact.



(A) the financial success of the 1992 Olympic Games demonstrates that fact



(B) for example, the 1992 Olympic Games were financially successful



(C) like the financial success of the 1992 Olympic Games demonstrates



(D) a fact demonstrated by the 1992 Olympic Games, which were financially successfulE



(E) as the financial success of the 1992 Olympic Games demonstrates


我认为D正确。the 1992 Olympic Games 应为复数


作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 13:34

随手就是例子

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/03/soldiers.olympics.reut/index.html

Eight members of the Army Marksmanship Unit at Fort Benning, Georgia, will be wearing the U.S. colors when the Olympic Games begin next week in Greece. They will compete in the rifle, skeet, trap and pistol shooting events.


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 13:39
as the financial success of the 1992 Olympic Games demonstrates
The subject is the financial success
作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 13:46
以下是引用leeon在2004-8-4 13:39:00的发言:
>The subject is the financial success

嘿嘿,我是看到讨论里说D错因为用了were, http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=57346,至于说D累赘,不敢苟同。D强调了financial successful,这正是句子要表达的,用“a fact”的结构更是起强调说明“奥运不赔钱”。而E责偏向于表明"92奥运说明奥运不赔钱",意思上有细微差别。


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作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 13:51

其实这道题的考法所暗含的语法点比价深,首先E中as所引导的是非限制性定语从句,这里的as等同于which,其次,在非限制性定语从句中的引导词which可以指代前面句子的含义。

基于以上两点,可以判断D累赘,E简洁,清晰。


作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 13:54
以下是引用leeon在2004-8-4 13:51:00的发言:

其实这道题的考法所暗含的语法点比价深,首先E中as所引导的是非限制性定语从句,这里的as等同于which,其次,在非限制性定语从句中的引导词which可以指代前面句子的含义。


基于以上两点,可以判断D累赘,E简洁,清晰。


要这么说的话(as=which),E还有歧义修饰 disasters呢。而且ETS用which指代整句估计是风毛麟角。


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作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 14:01
以下是引用lucre在2004-8-4 13:54:00的发言:


要这么说的话(as=which),E还有歧义修饰 disasters呢。而且ETS用which指代整句估计是风毛麟角。



这一点只能从逻辑上去判断了as不可能指代disasters了,which指代整句这一点我前天参考OG119时专门查了语法书。你可以参考OG119。


作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 14:15

是这个吗?明明which修饰 effects 啊?

119.     Executives and federal officials say that the use of crack and cocaine is growing rapidly among workers, significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already are a cost to business of more than $100 billion a year.

(A) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already are a cost to business of

(B) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business

(C) significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, already with business costs of

(D) significant in compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, and already costing businessB

(E) significant in compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, and already costs business

Choice B, the best answer, uses clear and concise phrasing to state that it is the effects of drug and alcohol abuse that already cost business the sum mentioned. In A, to business is awkwardly and confusingly inserted between cost and the prepositional phrase that modifies it, and are already a cost to business is wordy and awkward compared to cost business. In C, already with business costs of... is awkward and unclear, failing to specify that those prior effects generate the cost. Choices D and E produce faulty constructions with the phrase significant in compounding, which cannot grammatically modify the verb form is growing.
作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 14:19
如你所说,这道题我开始读了很多遍也是这种看法,有一天在走出gmat困境里看到了一个大N的感想,特别提到了这道题中which的用法,而且驳斥了LZM,我刚开始也很不理解,后来参考了相关的语法书,反复读了这道题的含义,觉得确实which指代前面两句话的含义更恰当。个人想法,仅供参考!
作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 14:23
以下是引用leeon在2004-8-4 14:19:00的发言:
如你所说,这道题我开始读了很多遍也是这种看法,有一天在走出gmat困境里看到了一个大N的感想,特别提到了这道题中which的用法,而且驳斥了LZM,我刚开始也很不理解,后来参考了相关的语法书,反复读了这道题的含义,觉得确实which指代前面两句话的含义更恰当。个人想法,仅供参考!

大哥,这可是OG解释啊!

要错,我情愿和ETS一起错


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 14:29

OG解释不能确保100%正确,狗狗已经置疑过一道题,结果证明是对的,只不过这道题不影响做题,你可以反复读读这句话的含义。个人意见,仅供参考!


给一个例句:


Spiders are not insects, as many people think.


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作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 14:37
以下是引用leeon在2004-8-4 14:29:00的发言:
OG解释不能确保100%正确,狗狗已经置疑过一道题,结果证明是对的,只不过这道题不影响做题,你可以反复读读这句话的含义。个人意见,仅供参考!

除非狗狗置疑的结果说明WHICH可以指代句子,否则狗狗的例子不能sufficiently说明这题也是OG解释不正确。


作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 14:47

which 不能指代整句,但 as是可以的。尽管如此,不同的排列同样会有歧义的


As many people think, spiders are not insects;代句子


Spiders are not insects as many people think; 代词


Spiders are not insects,as many people think;我认为有歧义啊,新概念第四册第二课是代insects啊


Spiders are not insects, as many people think, nor even nearly related to them.
One can tell the difference almost at a glance for a spider always has eight legs
and an insect never more than six.
这里as many people think=many prople think they are insects


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作者: sting228    时间: 2004-8-4 14:48

D用a fact代表前面整个句子的观点没有问题,而且我个人认为是ETS非常喜欢的一种句子结构,即

主句,一个抽象名词总结上据。不过我认为D确实错了,就是因为were:参见美国传统词典:

Olympian games :A Pan-Hellenic festival in ancient Greece consisting of athletic games and contests of choral poetry and dance, first celebrated in 776 b.c.  and held periodically until  a.d.  393 on the plain of Olympia in honor of the Olympian Zeus. Also called Olympian games

A Pan-Hellenic festival =Olympian games

可见其是一个单数N,应该用was。这题的D好像是ETS玩的一个妙招啊~~^_^,ETS知道我们看出来它喜欢的结构了,故意迷惑的哦~~hoho


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 14:48
以上讨论只是为了证明ETS不是100%的准确;E在语法上和逻辑上都是没有问题的,而且忠于原文,success demonstrates,因此E是最好的答案。
作者: sting228    时间: 2004-8-4 14:50

邀请lucre来讨论一下我的问题,和你的有点相关哦~~

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=23&ID=62770&page=1


作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 14:51
以下是引用sting228在2004-8-4 14:48:00的发言:

D用a fact代表前面整个句子的观点没有问题,而且我个人认为是ETS非常喜欢的一种句子结构,即


主句,一个抽象名词总结上据。不过我认为D确实错了,就是因为were:参见美国传统词典:


Olympian games :A Pan-Hellenic festival in ancient Greece consisting of athletic games and contests of choral poetry and dance, first celebrated in 776 b.c.  and held periodically until  a.d.  393 on the plain of Olympia in honor of the Olympian Zeus. Also called Olympian games


A Pan-Hellenic festival =Olympian games


可见其是一个单数N,应该用was。这题的D好像是ETS玩的一个妙招啊~~^_^,ETS知道我们看出来它喜欢的结构了,故意迷惑的哦~~hoho


奥林匹克官方网页


http://www.olympic.org/uk/organisation/missions/games_uk.asp

The Olympic Games are competitions between athletes in individual or team events and not between countries

The Olympic Games consist of the Games of the Olympiad and the Olympic Winter Games.

The first Olympic Winter Games were celebrated in 1924

The Olympic Games are the exclusive property of the IOC


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 14:52

which 不能指代整句,但 as是可以的。尽管如此,不同的排列同样会有歧义的


As many people think, spiders are not insects


Spiders are not insects,as many people think


Spiders are not insects,as many people think they are



你的这个引用并不是which不能指代整句,而是因为主句是否定句的关系。as只能引导肯定。


D中的主要错误是逻辑搭配,games demonstrates。


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作者: lucre    时间: 2004-8-4 15:10
以下是引用leeon在2004-8-4 14:52:00的发言:
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你的这个引用并不是which不能指代整句,而是因为主句是否定句的关系。as只能引导肯定。


D中的主要错误是逻辑搭配,games demonstrates。



financially successful games demonstrate that events are not fiscal disasters

anything logically flaw?


作者: leeon    时间: 2004-8-4 15:20

其实这个错误让我想起了OG204的D,partly because certain characteristics should be acquired by their steers

成功的games中心词是games,怎么能证明events are not fiscal disasters,只能说games的success,强调中心词success才能证明events are not fiscal disasters。


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作者: Jericho_007    时间: 2008-8-19 21:09

我认为E正确。并且E比D要好


作者: nerakuhs    时间: 2008-11-17 09:27

读几遍,就觉得d很累赘

e好


作者: hairicanye    时间: 2009-2-22 11:42

看了大家的讨论觉得还是比较明确的

至于AS,有众多大牛,不敢多说,只是觉得AS。。。在这里类似于as+主谓结构,至于同which的辨析,我想如果将which理解为可以指代整句话的话那么像我这样的newcomer很多题就没办法做了,呵呵

至于这道题中的D选项,我也选了D,现在看来还是很明显有错的,原句中the financial success...demonstrates that fact,,而在D中a fact demonstrated by the 1992 Olympic Games,可见D同原句中demonstrate的主体产生了分歧,可见同原句的逻辑出现了错误

对于奥林匹克的单复数问题,我觉得还是应该是复数的

拙见






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