11. Based on accounts of various ancient writers, scholars have painted a sketchy picture of the activities of an all-female cult that, perhaps as early as the sixth century B.C., worshipped a goddess known in Latin as Bona Dea, “the good goddess.”
(A) Based on accounts of various ancient writers
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts
(C) With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis
(D) By the accounts of various ancient writers they used(E)
(E) Using accounts of various ancient writers
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但我想求教的是:
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts 如果去掉it 也可以的
即理解成scholars basing on various ancient writer's accounts,才有后面scholars have painted a sketchy picture --
所以it我反而觉得是不是多了才错的,但OG却认为B选项是因为it没有清晰指代对象才错的!
OG对C选项的解释很模糊,就一句C and D are also wordy and awkward,我认为With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好!不知大家同意否
所以it我反而觉得是不是多了才错的,但OG却认为B选项是因为it没有清晰指代对象才错的!base作为动词时是及物的,所以base的合理结构是base A on B,由此可见A是不可少的。
OG对C选项的解释很模糊,就一句C and D are also wordy and awkward,我认为With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好!不知大家同意否 这点我有点不同意见,with引导的这个独立主格结构从意思上还是比较清楚的,名词部分的核心词是accounts,不会将used for的主语理解为writers,否则,这个结构就是错的。
C选项,是因为with已有用的意思,后面的又一个using就多余了!这么理解可否?
OG说D选项是:D By the accounts... they used is an unidiomatic and roundabout way of saying that scholars used the accounts.不是太明白BY结构,可否随便讲讲
C选项,是因为with已有用的意思,后面的又一个using (不是using,而是used)就多余了!这么理解可否?with的独立主格结果可以参考这个连接。http://www.ecp.com.cn/in2004/ca1890.htm
OG说D选项是:D By the accounts... they used is an unidiomatic and roundabout way of saying that scholars used the accounts.不是太明白BY结构,可否随便讲讲-其实use和by都含有‘用...’的意思,所以这两个词本身有含义重叠的问题,而且by和use的主语都相同,意思一致,所以这种用法就显得笨拙。
请教basing的用法?
base A on B,我查了一下词典的讲解:
if u base one thing on another thing,the first thing develops the second thing.
但是我所看到的大部分都是用的based,for example:
He based his conclusions on the evidence given by the captured prisoners.
什么情况下用basing on?
帮主--stoneren对我如此尽心尽力,我怎敢藏私,
base作为动词时是及物的,所以base的合理结构是base A on B,由此可见it是不可少的。例:多用于被动态 This news report is based entirely on fact。 这篇新闻报导是完全根据实际情况写成的
主动态:One should always base one's opinions on facts. 意见应以事实为根据。即 Basing one's opinions on facts,one--- 才对,其它的都可以按这套的
谢谢!
能不能提供一些例句。我翻遍了大全和词典也没有找到basing用对的例子,印象中曾做过一题,可惜找不到。
http://www.ecp.com.cn/in2004/ca1890.htm
这个链接打不开,能不能麻烦给讲一下?
Using accounts of various ancient writers
请问nn,从d选项里面我们是不是能得出accounts of是可以用来修饰可数名词复数?谢谢
这里的修饰关系是various ancient writers修饰accounts, of表示所有格。意思是不同古学者的描述。
不是accounts of修饰various ancient writers.
这里的修饰关系是various ancient writers修饰accounts, of表示所有格。意思是不同古学者的描述。
不是accounts of修饰various ancient writers.
哈哈,我犯了严重的意思理解错误,谢谢rhod。
另外,我还想问一下为什么account在这里是什么意思?
不是N人,说以下自己的看法。
宏观上看,ABD是属于分词短语做状语,C属于独立主格做状语,D属于普通的介词短语做状语。
为什么排除A
分词短语做状语,其逻辑上的主语为主句的主语SCHOLARS,与分词短语的动作是主动关系,因此要用主动语态。
为什么排除B
个人认为B在语法上没有错误,其使用了主动语态,后面也加上了IT。排除B的原因是IT在意思上指代不明。
为什么排除C。
http://www.ecp.com.cn/in2004/ca1890.htm 介绍的独立主格的用法如下:
在with复合结构中,宾语和宾补之间形成逻辑上的主谓关系。当这种主谓关系表现为主动语态时,用现在分词;当这种主谓关系表现为被动语态时,用过去分词;当这种主谓关系表示将来意义时,用不定式;当这种主谓关系表示伴随意义时,用现在分词或副词。
就本例而言With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis,不同学者的描述被用来作为基础,个人认为从语法上讲C没有错误。但是从语意上讲,不符合OG的精神,个人认为OG要求简洁,顺畅! 与E 比较,明显的没有E顺畅。
为什么排除D
暂时没有找到充足的理由。
探讨!
一起进步!
D选项
By the accounts of vareious ancient writers they used,
文法上没有任何错误,只能说不够简洁有力,they used 可以省略。
如果B选项改为:with accounts of various ancient writers,
是不是可以选?
感觉还是没有E好, 虽然语法上面是正确的.
但是对于C, 我还是不敢说就一定语法上面是对的, 但是确实挑不出什么语法上面的缺点来, 除非说后面的used for a basis是有修饰前面名词恶歧义, 但是确实太牵强, 大家给点意见吧.
C里面wordy是肯定的, 但是为什么说它是awkward?
百思不得其解, 请教了!
说说个人意见,拿CE对比:
(C) With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis
(E) Using accounts of various ancient writers
C可以说是独立主格结构,也可以说是介词+名词(表示主句主语的scholars拥有之意,这种意思在
OG上有一题,题号忘了,是关于美国人少但能源消耗多那题),但不管哪种用法,都没有表达主动意思的动词using 直接,
表达笨拙。这一题体现了ETS的要求叙事直接/简洁的风格;大白话就
是:能直接说就直接说嘛,你绕弯干啥?
我的观点: 不要改了选项再来讨论哪个好, 因为没有定论.
但既然说到这里, 我来谈谈我的看法: with + n. 在句首表示physically拥有, 相比之下, with更强调一种状态. 而using纯粹就是一个动作, 即"使用". 个人认为用using简洁, 明确清晰, 何乐而不为? 这一点, 我同意楼上的观点.
楼上说的另外一个例子应该是这个吧:
158. With only 5 percent of the world's population, United States citizens consume 28 percent of its nonrenewable resources, drive more than one-third of its automobiles, and use 21 times more water per capita than Europeans do.
(A) With
(B) As
(C) Being
(D) Despite having (E)
(E) Although accounting for
这道题的正确答案是E, 而且OG明确强调不能用with表达拥有之意: and only E, the best choice, expresses meaning accurately with the phrase Although accounting for. With in choice A and Despite having in choice D confusingly suggest that
我想楼上是记错了.
161 Bsed on the growth rates of large modern reptiles such as the Galapagos tortoise and examinations of fossils of juvenile dinosaurs, scientists estimate that the largest dinosaurs probably lived to be between 100 and 200 years old.
(A) Based on the growth rates of large modern reptiles such as
(B) On the basis of growth rates of large modern reptiles such as
(C) Based on the growth rates of large modern reptiles like
(D) On the basis of growth rates of large modern reptiles, like those of(B)
(E) Based on such growth rates as those of large modern reptiles like
161, 补充-187
A) Based on,scientists逻辑关系错。
B) best
C) Based on,scientists逻辑关系错。
D) 意思表达没有用such as来的清楚,直接明了。这里举例such as比比较like好. those指代不清,large modern reptiles of the Galapagos tortoise产生歧义。
E) Based on,scientists逻辑关系错。
嗯,把大家的想法拼在一起就明白og11了
One example from Longman.
Their relationship was based on/upon mutual respect.
"relationship" 及 "respect" 皆为物非人
GMAT重要的考点之一:分词的省略结构
本题目只有一个考点,要求分词的逻辑主语必须和后面句子的主语保持一致,
A不能说学者建立在。。。。之上,所以错
B Basing on 错,base只能用被动语态,美国人只用based on ,建立只能是被建立,只有被动语态
C with 和used语义重复,都是用的意思,错
D by ,used语义重复,都是用的意思,错
E,正确,学者用古代作家的描述
哦?确切?
在GMAT语法中只要是BASE 就是BASED ON ,确实只有这种被动用法,
噢!记住了!谢谢MM
With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好
我不同意这个说法。
with sth done是一种结构。没有错。但从简洁原则来看,太罗嗦拉。
加it肯定是不对的,basing是非谓语动词,后面怎么能够加it做宾语,所以我认为不对。
(A) Based on accounts of various ancient writers
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts
(C) With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis
(D) By the accounts of various ancient writers they used(E)
(E) Using accounts of various ancient writers
而且我觉得大家在做这个题时进入了一个误区,这里不应该是在讨论base的用法,这里很明显就是:
由base开头的一个伴随状语,主句是后面的scholars have painted a sketchy picture 。
当前面是非谓语动词时,前面的主语是主句的主语,也就是scholar.
ETS当然会说it 指代不明拉
退一万步来考虑base
base sth on sth
并不是因为base是及物动词,我想字典的分化他应该是成语动词吧
可以用base on sth ,也可以用base sth on sth
比如牛津的字典给了这样的例句。
i base my hopes on the good news we had yesterday.
this novel is based on historical facts.
同意楼上的观点!
(A) Based on accounts of various ancient writers
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts
(C) With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis
(D) By the accounts of various ancient writers they used(E)
(E) Using accounts of various ancient writers
而且我觉得大家在做这个题时进入了一个误区,这里不应该是在讨论base的用法,这里很明显就是:
由base开头的一个伴随状语,主句是后面的scholars have painted a sketchy picture 。
当前面是非谓语动词时,前面的主语是主句的主语,也就是scholar.
ETS当然会说it 指代不明拉
退一万步来考虑base
base sth on sth
并不是因为base是及物动词,我想字典的分化他应该是成语动词吧
可以用base on sth ,也可以用base sth on sth
比如牛津的字典给了这样的例句。
i base my hopes on the good news we had yesterday.
this novel is based on historical facts.
不同意这位MM,最后一个是被动,只要是主动的话肯定不能用base on sth的
划线的句子的正常语序是sb?based?on this novel on historical facts
大家继续讨论
我觉得熏衣MM的动作喝状态是有道理的,句子这么改应该是对的:
Based on accounts of various ancient writers,a sketchy picture of the activities of an all-female cult has been painted byscholars that, perhaps as early as the sixth century B.C., worshipped a goddess known in Latin as Bona Dea, “the good goddess.”
虽然被动,但是估计没有什么语法错误
it为什么不能指代 a sketchy picture
一般来说it不做向后指代
ms语法题里面就1-2个出现向后指代的
ETS不喜欢吧~~
如果是这样 具体的题目中怎么区分呢?
应该还是有定论的吧?
如果用On the basis of sth 作状语, 从句主语可以用人么?谢谢!
我觉得C、D语法上没有错,是独立主格结构,只是E更简洁。
A的逻辑主语错了,如果要改可以改为:Based on account of various ancient writers, a sketchy picture...
B还原为:scholars base it(意思为their painting work)on various ancient writers' accounts,如果指a sketchy picture意思不太对,所以不知道it指谁。关于后向指代,我觉得不存在这个问题,例子如下:
OG11th 5
As its sales of computer products have surpassed those of measuring instruments, the company has become...,这里its指the company's.
11. Based on accounts of various ancient writers, scholars have painted a sketchy picture of the activities of an all-female cult that, perhaps as early as the sixth century B.C., worshipped a goddess known in Latin as Bona Dea, “the good goddess.”
(A) Based on accounts of various ancient writers
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts
(C) With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis
(D) By the accounts of various ancient writers they used(E)
(E) Using accounts of various ancient writers
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但我想求教的是: (B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts 如果去掉it 也可以的 即理解成scholars basing on various ancient writer's accounts,才有后面scholars have painted a sketchy picture -- 所以it我反而觉得是不是多了才错的,但OG却认为B选项是因为it没有清晰指代对象才错的! OG对C选项的解释很模糊,就一句C and D are also wordy and awkward,我认为With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好!不知大家同意否
(B) Basing it on various ancient writers’ accounts 如果去掉it 也可以的
即理解成scholars basing on various ancient writer's accounts,才有后面scholars have painted a sketchy picture --
所以it我反而觉得是不是多了才错的,但OG却认为B选项是因为it没有清晰指代对象才错的!
OG对C选项的解释很模糊,就一句C and D are also wordy and awkward,我认为With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好!不知大家同意否
关于楼主提出的,本人还想到一点。
scholars basing on various ancient writer's accounts似乎从逻辑上讲不通,根据。。。的(人)?
如果按照搂主的想法修改B,个人认为basing...accounts应该是修饰/限定scholars的行为更妥,即置于句尾,which is based on ...。请各位指正,不知此思路是否可取。
it 不能向后指代? 能举例吗? 我觉的 it指代 a sketch picture 没问题啊?
it 不能向后指代? 能举例吗? 我觉的 it指代 a sketch picture 没问题啊?
同问
回复#46,47
东方老师语法班上说, it在GMAT中只能特指,就是一定要指代前文中的一个特定的noun,它的条件比其它代词要苛刻,比如they,有时候前文可能出现两个名词概念,能不能用they要看 1.前文中两个名词一单,一复,那么they肯定指的是复数名词; 2.前文两个复数名词,那么they指代什么可以根据逻辑,句意来判断。
回到it,我记得老师说不管别的情况怎样,我们要适应gmat的出题思路,it一定要特制,所以我觉得gmat上的解释还是说的很清楚的。
GMAT重要的考点之一:分词的省略结构
本题目只有一个考点,要求分词的逻辑主语必须和后面句子的主语保持一致,
A不能说学者建立在。。。。之上,所以错
B Basing on 错,base只能用被动语态,美国人只用based on ,建立只能是被建立,只有被动语态
C with 和used语义重复,都是用的意思,错
D by ,used语义重复,都是用的意思,错
E,正确,学者用古代作家的描述
同意~~XDF老师曾经讲过类似题,觉得有些道理
疑惑
在此敬仰CD的先辈们,特别是帖子第一二页都是版主级的NN们在发表高见,受益匪浅。
对于本题C的独立结构,我想补充一点:
used for a basis应该不对,应该是used as a basis。
it 不能向后指代? 能举例吗? 我觉的 it指代 a sketch picture 没问题啊?
弱问一下,我也搞不懂这个地方,感觉it指代 a sketch picture 好像在逻辑上也讲得通啊,a sketch picture 是基于various ancient writers的基础上的,好像这样说也挺合理的啊!
With accounts of various ancient writers used for a basis是修饰主语scholars的伴随状语,错在used for a basis,可能修饰writers了,有点混淆了,正确的用法应该是Using accounts of various ancient writers for a basis,这将会比E更好
我不同意这个说法。
with sth done是一种结构。没有错。但从简洁原则来看,太罗嗦拉。
加it肯定是不对的,basing是非谓语动词,后面怎么能够加it做宾语,所以我认为不对。
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