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作者: jefferyli    时间: 2004-7-28 21:18
标题: OG246

246. Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity


Key: C, agree. The question here is the highlighted after death, gramatically it should refer to reputation in first priority, rather than to composer, therefore causing confusing, am I right?


作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-28 23:53
我赞成你的看法,认为在这里的确有修饰模糊的问题,我认为在这里ETS确实存在不严谨的地方,不过对于本题,我们在参考选项时要领会ETS的考点,才能在矮子里挑将军。
作者: bigp    时间: 2004-12-9 14:40
正好印证了我的想法,谢谢石头人。
作者: mmmzzz    时间: 2005-4-21 09:54

its修饰composer,在可男可女的情况下,用its吧!

个人浅见,NN们看看!!


作者: 携隐    时间: 2005-4-21 12:33
its修饰的是reputation
作者: jaredyu    时间: 2005-5-5 23:38
关于its的修饰我还是不明白,由于its前面出现了composer和reputation两个单数名词.在这里its应该是指代不清啊.
作者: 薰衣紫草    时间: 2005-5-6 05:32
composer是人, 即使用代词也不是its, 所以这里不存在指代不清.
作者: jaredyu    时间: 2005-5-7 09:20
明白了,谢谢版主
作者: icare1    时间: 2005-8-15 23:04
ok loh
作者: ustoday    时间: 2005-8-26 17:00

是這樣媽? 我記得its可以代人(當主詞無分男女時)


是因為這裡whose reputation 的關係


重心變成以reputation為主吧


請告訴我哪一個才對


作者: carmenleaf    时间: 2005-8-26 17:04

I still have a question:


If "its" refers to "reputation",then the sentence can be rewritten like this: Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and the reputation never regains its former status


这样就成了reputation regains status,个人认为应该是composer regains status ,另外,想问


c为什么不是: but whose reputation declines after death and who never regains its former status .   who为什么可以省略呢?


作者: carmenleaf    时间: 2005-8-26 20:18

作者: carmenleaf    时间: 2005-8-26 23:13
up!
作者: ustoday    时间: 2005-8-29 16:33

up



作者: angeliana    时间: 2005-9-8 14:37
以下是引用薰衣紫草在2005-5-6 5:32:00的发言:
composer是人, 即使用代词也不是its, 所以这里不存在指代不清.

那紫草MM的意思就是说 its指代的是 reputation ?


如果这样的话:


以下是引用carmenleaf在2005-8-26 17:04:00的发言:



I still have a question:


If "its" refers to "reputation",then the sentence can be rewritten like this: Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and the reputation never regains its former status


这样就成了reputation regains status,个人认为应该是composer regains status .


作者: 淡蓝色的回忆    时间: 2005-9-19 18:00
it 是优先指 定语从句“whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status”中的主语reputation ,再其次指主句中的 the kind of composer
作者: fuyun    时间: 2005-10-18 02:46
Choice A may also be faulted for the redundancy of never regains... again.可是这一用法在C里边也由阿,如何解释呢?
作者: shihho    时间: 2005-11-10 14:49
以下是引用fuyun在2005-10-18 2:46:00的发言:
Choice A may also be faulted for the redundancy of never regains... again.可是这一用法在C里边也由阿,如何解释呢?

選項(c) 沒有 again。

(c) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status


作者: hyte    时间: 2006-3-11 17:02
以下是引用jefferyli在2004-7-28 21:18:00的发言:

246. Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity


Key: C, agree. The question here is the highlighted after death, gramatically it should refer to reputation in first priority, rather than to composer, therefore causing confusing, am I right?


我覺得after death是指composer的death~沒有不嚴謹! 因為reputation的前面接的是whose呀! 表示是composer's reputation! 所以用death也該是composer's death~~ 這樣也很平行! 根據句意death怎麼可能是reputation的~ reputation只能上勝或下降! 怎麼能死?!  所以沒有confusing! (個人覺得sc還是以句意優先)


作者: juh    时间: 2006-4-3 18:48

its指代的是 reputation .


(How can the composer regain his status after his death?  Dead person can no longer do anything, neither decline nor regain.)


作者: cocomalawi    时间: 2006-4-3 21:06

我认为从逻辑上来考虑这个after death没有问题啊??!!!


前面他说了living ,那不就是before death 吗?!!!


Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status .


我认为its 不是指代的composer,你们看,那些在生前很受欢迎的作家死后名声就下降拉,而且这个名声也没有回到他以前那种形式的地位.


所以我觉得应该是指代的reputation.


作者: wuziqing1980    时间: 2006-6-23 12:22
我已经比较清楚,谢谢各位的讨论。可是请问,在whose前面的but在这里出现是作为一个连词对吗? 作用和and是一样的。只是意义不同,对不对?
作者: oncross    时间: 2006-6-27 07:35
yes, "but" is for contrast. 
作者: snowfield    时间: 2006-6-29 15:07
以下是引用jefferyli在2004-7-28 21:18:00的发言:

246. Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.
(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

Key: C, agree. The question here is the highlighted after death, gramatically it should refer to reputation in first priority, rather than to composer, therefore causing confusing, am I right?

答案C没有问题,但是OG11对d的解释是:The verb tenses are inconsistent with present tense used in the first phrase; redundant again. ,问题是如果将d该为:who declines in reputation after death and who never regains popularity. 是不是就行了呢?三个who非常罗嗦,而且前两个who之间有逗号,但第二格和第三个之间却用and连接,非常怪异啊。


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作者: TibetanMastiff    时间: 2006-7-26 23:10

个人觉得D去掉again改动后,最好前面还是有一个but,因为意思转折了:but (who) declines in reputation after death and (who) never regains popularity.

同时who因为重复也去掉:也就是but declines in repuration after death and never regains popularity. 这样就正确了。


作者: jchen924    时间: 2006-8-4 16:26

请问,两个连续的定语从句,其先行词就一定一样么?(个人觉得答案为no)

即,用了who再用whose,不用担心两者指代不一样么?

或者要根据语义来判断的?

多谢!


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-1 15:02

its当然指代reputation

我想问:regains its former status 不redundant么?

regain 还要former干什么?


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-2 10:34

its当然指代reputation

我想问:regains its former status 不redundant么?

regain 还要former干什么?


作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-9-3 10:34

its当然指代reputation

我想问:regains its former status 不redundant么?

regain 还要former干什么?


作者: chasedreamtrue    时间: 2006-12-24 23:09
以下是引用晴天小狗在2006-9-3 10:34:00的发言:

its当然指代reputation

我想问:regains its former status 不redundant么?

regain 还要former干什么?

regain 和former起的作用是不一样的。如果用regain---again,这里的again是修饰regain,造成了意思重复,但是former是修饰status的,两个有不同的作用,之前也有过类似的情况,好像在大全上,等找到了把例子再贴上来


作者: chencraig    时间: 2007-10-27 15:48
以下是引用snowfield在2006-6-29 15:07:00的发言:

答案C没有问题,但是OG11对d的解释是:The verb tenses are inconsistent with present tense used in the first phrase; redundant again. ,问题是如果将d该为:who declines in reputation after death and who never regains popularity. 是不是就行了呢?三个who非常罗嗦,而且前两个who之间有逗号,但第二格和第三个之间却用and连接,非常怪异啊。


The tenses of choice "D" are the same as the correct choice"C".

Why the verb tenses are wrong in choice D??


作者: huangyh03    时间: 2007-11-8 10:47
楼上的兄弟是否注意到d选项第二个who分句里的时态是过去时,我想错就在这里
作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-18 22:55

我对E.选项的错误原因还是感到十分困惑:

(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

OG说时态不符,但好象同一句话中是允许一般现在时和现在进行时共存的呀! never regained之前应该是省略掉了一个has,和前面的has保持一致. 

到是OG没提及的一点我觉得值得考虑,composer has declined 这种主谓搭配正确么? 我是靠着这一点才排除E.的,但看过解释以后整个感觉就是歪打正着.


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作者: maomao521    时间: 2007-12-1 19:13

og11里对于B的解释是:

The two clause are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing

不是特别理解,为什么whose reputation前一定要加一个连词呢?不可以看作who receives popular accalim while living, whose reputation declines after death 和never regains its status三者并列么?


作者: vivienwan    时间: 2007-12-18 20:51

应属于a, but b句型

a(who receives popular acclaim while living),but b(but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status)

its 修饰 reputation


作者: fishball1017    时间: 2008-1-7 03:50

36楼的vivian提出的

应属于a, but b句型

a(who receives popular acclaim while living),but b(but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status)

its 修饰 reputation

如果是这种句型,那么OG在DE中的解释为

Choices D and E suffer from inconsistency in verb tense. To maintain parallelism the verbs must be receives... declines... regains.

又怎么说呢?

再问NN, who, whose, who怎么平行?


作者: ppjelly    时间: 2008-4-25 23:00

以下是引用fishball1017在2008-1-7 3:50:00的发言:

36楼的vivian提出的

应属于a, but b句型

a(who receives popular acclaim while living),but b(but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status)

its 修饰 reputation

如果是这种句型,那么OG在DE中的解释为

Choices D and E suffer from inconsistency in verb tense. To maintain parallelism the verbs must be receives... declines... regains.

又怎么说呢?

再问NN, who, whose, who怎么平行?--不是NN,意见如下。这个很正常吧。这里who从句和whose从句都是修饰composer,而从句意可以看出,the kind of composer是一种常理即某一种人,所以用一般时态啊。不对之处请指正:)


作者: twang1981    时间: 2008-5-8 01:31
一样晕...这种变态题不会出现在考试当中吧....
作者: batmanhm    时间: 2008-5-11 17:15
看这道题,首选B和C,然后通过比较发现选项B有个again,所以就选C了...
作者: ywgre    时间: 2008-6-8 00:00

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but
                    whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

对于这里的平行问题很不理解,知道的朋友请帮帮忙:

1.是who和but...构成大转折,but中whose和and... 构成小并列吗

2. and之后是省略了who吗,为什么可以这样省略,og其他地方好像没见到呀

 


作者: ywgre    时间: 2008-6-17 12:22
好像已经没人来了噢,顶一下,
作者: ywgre    时间: 2008-6-17 12:22
up
作者: ywgre    时间: 2008-6-17 12:23
up,up,up,up,up
作者: lpdeng    时间: 2008-8-31 11:12
以下是引用ywgre在2008-6-8的发言:

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but
     whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status

对于这里的平行问题很不理解,知道的朋友请帮帮忙:

1.是who和but...构成大转折,but中whose和and... 构成小并列吗

2. and之后是省略了who吗,为什么可以这样省略,og其他地方好像没见到呀

我理解

who...... but whoes... 并列

declines ..... and ...regains...并列

所以是一个两个元素的大并列, 一个两个元素的小并列


作者: lcy19812000    时间: 2008-9-4 19:07
以下是引用lpdeng在2008-8-31 11:12:00的发言:

我理解

who...... but whoes... 并列

declines ..... and ...regains...并列

所以是一个两个元素的大并列, 一个两个元素的小并列

agree.


作者: kingtom    时间: 2008-9-18 07:11

I have a question.

Why a comma is used befor but?

Is it suitable to delect it here?


作者: charlie6989    时间: 2008-9-29 17:10
請問NN覺得
whose 是指??

作者: wangyi217    时间: 2008-11-28 18:14

强烈不理解为什么 reputation 可以regains its status????

regain的动作发出者应该是人吧

google了一圈,都是regain reputaion的句子,根本没有像这道题的用法


作者: heroelite    时间: 2009-7-22 19:58
还是没搞懂 这道题……

请问 Whose 引导的定从 前面为什么要有 but?  Whose 不是非限定性定从么? 应该不用连词啊?

请nn 帮忙分析一下这道题的句子结构成分 好么?

作者: heroelite    时间: 2009-7-23 11:00
明白了,是大小嵌套…… who
    receives... [but whose ...(declines... and regains...)]



作者: lzj1209    时间: 2009-9-12 21:01
以下是引用heroelite在2009/7/23 11:00:00的发言:
明白了,是大小嵌套…… who
 receives... [but whose ...(declines... and regains...)]
我认为是but前后连接着两个定从,且关系名词、关系代词、连词等都要补出,不然会产生ambiguity~~


作者: kawa_0721    时间: 2009-9-30 12:20

我理解全句还原应该是:

Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receive popular acclaim while living ,but (the kind of composer) whose reputation delines after death and (whose reputation) never regains its former status. 

大家觉得呢?


作者: carypig    时间: 2011-3-15 16:43
强烈不理解为什么 reputation 可以regains its status????
regain的动作发出者应该是人吧

google了一圈,都是regain reputaion的句子,根本没有像这道题的用法

-- by 会员 wangyi217 (2008/11/28 18:14:00)



本来语言就没有可以不可以,语法也只是说通常情况下的正确与否。GMAT很多时候考察的也是好与不好,而不是对与不对。
其他明显错误的选项都被排除了,剩下这个没有明显错误,也没有规定reputation就不能regain。我觉得像是拟人化的用法,“声望再没能回到巅峰时的状态”也没啥不对。 呵呵
作者: flewrudy    时间: 2011-4-18 16:08
我个人觉得是receives , reagains,平行啊,但是but whose感觉说不清楚,说它和前面两个平行也不对,说从属也有点纠结。。。,但个人偏向是三个动词平行,而and nerver regains省略的主语???求解释




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