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作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-21 15:20
标题: OG12-sc-78，关于被修饰对象
78. Fossils of the arm of a 【sloth found in Puerto Rico in
1991, and dated at 34 million years old, made it the
earliest known mammal of】 the Greater Antilles Islands.
(A) sloth found in Puerto Rico in 1991, and dated at
34 million years old, made it the earliest known
mammal of
(B) sloth, that they found in Puerto Rico in 1991, has
been dated at 34 million years old, thus making
it the earliest mammal known on
(C) sloth that was found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, making this the
earliest known mammal of
(D) sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been
dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth
the earliest known mammal on
(E) sloth which, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, made the sloth the
earliest known mammal of



搜过以前的帖子，可是发现木有人出现我的问题啊~~请大家帮忙看看
初一看题，我就把found in Puerto Rico in 。。作为修饰 sloth的定语了，但是看og的解释found in Puerto Rico in 是修饰fossils的，请问为什么found in Puerto Rico in 。不是就近修饰sloth呢？


谢谢大家帮忙回答~~

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作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-21 15:25
是不是因为fossils 是句子主语而 sloth 的地位次之

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作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-21 15:36
还有在gmat中，

1  限制性定语从句只能用 that？
2 非限制性定语从家只能用 “ ，which/ who/ whose” 等等，也就是一定要用逗号隔开？
3 能够被分词合理替换的是 非限制性定语从句，限制性定语从句不行

如果有说的不对的请大家指正拍砖

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作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-21 19:09
哪一位牛牛帮忙解答一下~~哪怕暗示都行。

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作者: christete    时间: 2012-3-29 10:22
D选项的修饰，我也不大明白，什么时候修饰sloth，什么时候修饰fossils 有没有定数的？

比如A选项found修饰的是sloth，是不是D选项加一个逗号后，就是修饰fossil呢？

谁能清楚的解释一下这个修饰对象的问题？

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作者: christete    时间: 2012-3-29 11:28
求解释。

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作者: zhongshanlh    时间: 2012-3-29 15:48
1.限定性定从不是只能用that引导，that只能指代物；而之待人的时候who也可以引导限定性定从。
2，逗号的存在是判断限定性定从与非限定性定从的一个标准吧，可以这么认为
3.个人觉得没有这种说法，限定性和非限定性都可以在合适的情况下改写问分词，OG SC中这样的例子很多，我自己还没有那么熟悉，但是肯定是有的，慢慢补充总结吧。

还有在gmat中，

1  限制性定语从句只能用 that？
2 非限制性定语从家只能用 “ ，which/ who/ whose” 等等，也就是一定要用逗号隔开？
3 能够被分词合理替换的是 非限制性定语从句，限制性定语从句不行

如果有说的不对的请大家指正拍砖

-- by 会员 林水监 (2011/11/21 15:36:47)

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作者: lijiazhou    时间: 2012-3-29 17:19

78. Fossils of the arm of a 【sloth found in Puerto Rico in
1991, and dated at 34 million years old, made it the
earliest known mammal of】 the Greater Antilles Islands.
(A) sloth found in Puerto Rico in 1991, and dated at
34 million years old, made it the earliest known
mammal of
(B) sloth, that they found in Puerto Rico in 1991, has
been dated at 34 million years old, thus making
it the earliest mammal known on
(C) sloth that was found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, making this the
earliest known mammal of
(D) sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been
dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth
the earliest known mammal on
(E) sloth which, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, made the sloth the
earliest known mammal of



搜过以前的帖子，可是发现木有人出现我的问题啊~~请大家帮忙看看
初一看题，我就把found in Puerto Rico in 。。作为修饰 sloth的定语了，但是看og的解释found in Puerto Rico in 是修饰fossils的，请问为什么found in Puerto Rico in 。不是就近修饰sloth呢？


谢谢大家帮忙回答~~

-- by 会员 林水监 (2011/11/21 15:20:31)

做语法，最好就是理解意思，如果found in Puerto Rico in 1991年修饰sloth，就变成了在1991年在Rico被发现的树懒，整个句子变成了在。。。发现的树懒的化石xxx，是不是曲解了作家的意思呢？


另外其他同楼上

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作者: zhongshanlh    时间: 2012-3-29 17:28
我也觉得这里的found比较混乱，一般说的是v-ed过去分词修饰的是其紧跟的名词，但是好像也有发生跳跃性修饰的例子，就比如这个题目中就属于跳跃性修饰了，所以在判断这种修饰成分的时候还是得理解逻辑含义吧。
包括which的指代问题也是一样，什么时候跳跃指代什么时候不跳跃指代，个人现在感觉只能通过带入到句子中然后根据逻辑含义即which等后面的修饰性内容的意思来判断which指代的是哪个，然后看看这种指代是否犯了语法性错误，如果没有犯的话那么这个指代我们就认为应当是正确的。。。

78. Fossils of the arm of a 【sloth found in Puerto Rico in
1991, and dated at 34 million years old, made it the
earliest known mammal of】 the Greater Antilles Islands.
(A) sloth found in Puerto Rico in 1991, and dated at
34 million years old, made it the earliest known
mammal of
(B) sloth, that they found in Puerto Rico in 1991, has
been dated at 34 million years old, thus making
it the earliest mammal known on
(C) sloth that was found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, making this the
earliest known mammal of
(D) sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been
dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth
the earliest known mammal on
(E) sloth which, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, made the sloth the
earliest known mammal of



搜过以前的帖子，可是发现木有人出现我的问题啊~~请大家帮忙看看
初一看题，我就把found in Puerto Rico in 。。作为修饰 sloth的定语了，但是看og的解释found in Puerto Rico in 是修饰fossils的，请问为什么found in Puerto Rico in 。不是就近修饰sloth呢？


谢谢大家帮忙回答~~

-- by 会员 林水监 (2011/11/21 15:20:31)

做语法，最好就是理解意思，如果found in Puerto Rico in 1991年修饰sloth，就变成了在1991年在Rico被发现的树懒，整个句子变成了在。。。发现的树懒的化石xxx，是不是曲解了作家的意思呢？


另外其他同楼上

-- by 会员 lijiazhou (2012/3/29 17:19:48)

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作者: lijiazhou    时间: 2012-3-29 17:58
而且我也发现一般在这种a of/in b that 句型里面，大多数that都修饰a的, 你像是one of xx that后面不就是用单数么，待验证哈

我也觉得这里的found比较混乱，一般说的是v-ed过去分词修饰的是其紧跟的名词，但是好像也有发生跳跃性修饰的例子，就比如这个题目中就属于跳跃性修饰了，所以在判断这种修饰成分的时候还是得理解逻辑含义吧。
包括which的指代问题也是一样，什么时候跳跃指代什么时候不跳跃指代，个人现在感觉只能通过带入到句子中然后根据逻辑含义即which等后面的修饰性内容的意思来判断which指代的是哪个，然后看看这种指代是否犯了语法性错误，如果没有犯的话那么这个指代我们就认为应当是正确的。。。

78. Fossils of the arm of a 【sloth found in Puerto Rico in
1991, and dated at 34 million years old, made it the
earliest known mammal of】 the Greater Antilles Islands.
(A) sloth found in Puerto Rico in 1991, and dated at
34 million years old, made it the earliest known
mammal of
(B) sloth, that they found in Puerto Rico in 1991, has
been dated at 34 million years old, thus making
it the earliest mammal known on
(C) sloth that was found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, making this the
earliest known mammal of
(D) sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been
dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth
the earliest known mammal on
(E) sloth which, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, made the sloth the
earliest known mammal of



搜过以前的帖子，可是发现木有人出现我的问题啊~~请大家帮忙看看
初一看题，我就把found in Puerto Rico in 。。作为修饰 sloth的定语了，但是看og的解释found in Puerto Rico in 是修饰fossils的，请问为什么found in Puerto Rico in 。不是就近修饰sloth呢？


谢谢大家帮忙回答~~

-- by 会员 林水监 (2011/11/21 15:20:31)

做语法，最好就是理解意思，如果found in Puerto Rico in 1991年修饰sloth，就变成了在1991年在Rico被发现的树懒，整个句子变成了在。。。发现的树懒的化石xxx，是不是曲解了作家的意思呢？


另外其他同楼上

-- by 会员 lijiazhou (2012/3/29 17:19:48)

-- by 会员 zhongshanlh (2012/3/29 17:28:23)

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作者: christete    时间: 2012-3-30 13:24
从逻辑意思上来讲，我也知道的确Found是修饰fossil的，但是语法规则上不是应该就近修饰吗？
这会对我排除答案的时候造成障碍，

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作者: shirryzhan    时间: 2012-8-12 10:02
你这个类比虽然没有特别依据，但是简单易懂，我觉得蛮对的呵~！

而且我也发现一般在这种a of/in b that 句型里面，大多数that都修饰a的, 你像是one of xx that后面不就是用单数么，待验证哈

我也觉得这里的found比较混乱，一般说的是v-ed过去分词修饰的是其紧跟的名词，但是好像也有发生跳跃性修饰的例子，就比如这个题目中就属于跳跃性修饰了，所以在判断这种修饰成分的时候还是得理解逻辑含义吧。
包括which的指代问题也是一样，什么时候跳跃指代什么时候不跳跃指代，个人现在感觉只能通过带入到句子中然后根据逻辑含义即which等后面的修饰性内容的意思来判断which指代的是哪个，然后看看这种指代是否犯了语法性错误，如果没有犯的话那么这个指代我们就认为应当是正确的。。。

78. Fossils of the arm of a 【sloth found in Puerto Rico in
1991, and dated at 34 million years old, made it the
earliest known mammal of】 the Greater Antilles Islands.
(A) sloth found in Puerto Rico in 1991, and dated at
34 million years old, made it the earliest known
mammal of
(B) sloth, that they found in Puerto Rico in 1991, has
been dated at 34 million years old, thus making
it the earliest mammal known on
(C) sloth that was found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, making this the
earliest known mammal of
(D) sloth, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, have been
dated at 34 million years old, making the sloth
the earliest known mammal on
(E) sloth which, found in Puerto Rico in 1991, was
dated at 34 million years old, made the sloth the
earliest known mammal of



搜过以前的帖子，可是发现木有人出现我的问题啊~~请大家帮忙看看
初一看题，我就把found in Puerto Rico in 。。作为修饰 sloth的定语了，但是看og的解释found in Puerto Rico in 是修饰fossils的，请问为什么found in Puerto Rico in 。不是就近修饰sloth呢？


谢谢大家帮忙回答~~

-- by 会员 林水监 (2011/11/21 15:20:31)

做语法，最好就是理解意思，如果found in Puerto Rico in 1991年修饰sloth，就变成了在1991年在Rico被发现的树懒，整个句子变成了在。。。发现的树懒的化石xxx，是不是曲解了作家的意思呢？


另外其他同楼上

-- by 会员 lijiazhou (2012/3/29 17:19:48)

-- by 会员 zhongshanlh (2012/3/29 17:28:23)

-- by 会员 lijiazhou (2012/3/29 17:58:58)

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作者: 春雨Q    时间: 2013-6-7 15:02

zhongshanlh 发表于 2012-3-29 15:48
1.限定性定从不是只能用that引导，that只能指代物；而之待人的时候who也可以引导限定性定从。2，逗号的存在 ...

我觉得最奇怪的是原句是限制性定语从句，正确选项改成了非限制性定语从句，这是为什么？

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作者: SherlockedJohn    时间: 2013-11-15 15:40
想了半天终于想起一个比较有关联的知识点，我觉得应该就是这个道理：
【摘自别的大牛】
●什么叫做"mission-critical" modifier，this is a MEANING issue.
一个是modify。
一个是define。
注意这两个动词的区别。
比如我说： "a ratio"，鬼知道"a ratio"是个什么咚咚，你必须要给出definition: "a ratio of ______"
那么这个"of ____"就叫做"mission-critical modifier"
所谓的跳跃修饰的一种情况，是说跳跃这样的"mission-critical modifier"
比如一个句子里面 "a ratio of ____ that is Y....."
后面的"that is Y"就是跳跃修饰这个ratio，确切说修饰"a ratio of ___"
看看Manhattan给的例子，体会一下什么叫做"mission-critical modifier"：
Right: He had a way OF DODGING OPPONENTS that impressed the scouts.
因为单独的"a way"什么都不是，所以必须有"mission-critical modifier"来define。

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作者: SherlockedJohn    时间: 2013-11-15 15:46
已知“, which”和“that”都适用于这个准则，那么推测各种非限定性和限定性修饰语都适用此准则。(IMO)

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作者: Doong    时间: 2014-11-9 16:46

春雨Q 发表于 2013-6-7 15:02
我觉得最奇怪的是原句是限制性定语从句，正确选项改成了非限制性定语从句，这是为什么？ ...

我觉得是重要性不同的原因。

私以为，
这句话的重点在于表达两件事：1）化石被发现了 2）这一发现很重要，证明了···
所以，这一化石在那里发现的，并不是特别重要。

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总结了一下这个帖子前面几位的说法，和楼上ID为SherlockedJohn的给力回答，觉得到底修饰谁是一个很奇妙的的东西。
比如这道题原句里面，Fossils of the arm of a sloth found in PR...
found in与其说是是修饰Fossils， 不如说是修饰Fossils of the arm of a sloth
具体原因请参见我楼上的解释，说得很好。

另外，到底是修饰紧挨着的词还是跳跃修饰，似乎并无定论。
还是要在理解意思的基础上再去判断有没有语法错误。
（这句话我现在理解的也不好，只是隐约感觉到这种说法似乎是对的...哪位NN可以提供下思路或者例证，在下不甚感激！）

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