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作者: paopao    时间: 2004-7-21 12:50
标题: og102

2102. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin's ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.



(A)            Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged



(B)            Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it



(C)            Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself



(D)            Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged



(E)             With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself









Choice A is best. In B, the participle staging inappropriately expresses ongoing rather than completed action, (现在分词表示进行的意思,从句表示已完成) and the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic. (介词结构+分词短语不合规则)Likewise, C uses the participle being inappropriately. () In D, the use of Excepting in place of the preposition Except for is unidiomatic. except可做动词或介词,用法不一样,详见总结)Choice E is awkward and wordy. (繁冗)




the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic




不理解 介词短语后加的是名词 分词是修饰名词的 OG的这一句话是怎么意思啊


OG113


Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches. whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.



C:      seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging




这题中的C不就可以吗


谢谢



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作者: rhod    时间: 2004-7-21 20:04

OG这里的意思是分词表示持续进行的动作,而这里应该表示一个完成的状态,所以不应该使用分词形式.

和介词短语没什么关系。


作者: irenelj78    时间: 2004-7-23 04:25

我也不太明白这个问题

the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic

是不是说with介词短语里面包含staging 这个participle 是不对的?为什么?


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-7-23 12:01
以下是引用irenelj78在2004-7-23 4:25:00的发言:

我也不太明白这个问题


the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic


是不是说with介词短语里面包含staging 这个participle 是不对的?为什么?


理由OG在前一句里解释了,the participle staging inappropriately expresses ongoing rather than completed action,

就是不应该用现在分词来表达一个已经完成的状态。


作者: paopao    时间: 2004-7-23 12:37
谢谢rhod,你回答我的疑问
作者: irenelj78    时间: 2004-8-18 04:20
thanks!
作者: hpp920    时间: 2004-8-18 08:57
大家说a concert performanceScott Joplin's ragtime opera Treemonisha 是同一类东西吗?谢谢!
作者: shiningstar    时间: 2004-9-1 01:22

这个题目我还想问一个问题,就是except for 中,for何时才能省略,还是永远不能省略啊?我看的辞典上的例子,有的把for括起来,有的没有,不知道是怎磨一会事。看og的解释好像是不能省略for的。请指点。谢谢


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-9-1 10:22

OG的意思是没有Excepting的说法.

正确的说法是except, 或except for.


作者: shiningstar    时间: 2004-9-1 10:59

首先谢谢你的解答

我还不明白的是:except也可以作动词的,如果作为动词不就可以在句首了么?

我又看了看句子,我觉得是不是因为如果excepting作为现在分词在句首的话,逻辑主语要等于后面句子的主语,而后面句子主语:“Scott Joplin's ragtime opera Treemonisha ”不可能执行这个动作,所以逻辑不合理,这样才不对的,不知道我这样认为有无道理?


作者: rhod    时间: 2004-9-1 14:51

我还不明白的是:except也可以作动词的,如果作为动词不就可以在句首了么?

汗颜,如果不是mm提醒,我还不知道except可以做动词。不过相对而言,作介词的情况更普遍一些。

我又看了看句子,我觉得是不是因为如果excepting作为现在分词在句首的话,逻辑主语要等于后面句子的主语,而后面句子主语:“Scott Joplin's ragtime opera Treemonisha ”不可能执行这个动作,所以逻辑不合理,这样才不对的,不知道我这样认为有无道理?

有理!


作者: shiningstar    时间: 2004-9-1 23:33

收到!斑竹过谦了。


谢谢rhod斑竹的帮助!


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作者: hougang    时间: 2004-11-28 14:57
继续问,如果except和except for都是作为介词来使用,那么两者之间有没有什么区别?谢谢
作者: rhod    时间: 2004-12-1 11:52

我查了夸克的英语语法大全,只有except, except for与but的比较,没有except, except for之间的比较。所以,我认为通常情况下两者的含义相同。

根据我自己自己的观察,两者的用法可能有些不同:

1. except for多用于句首,而except不用于句首.

2. except可以连接that从句,except for不可以.

说来也巧,我查的英语语法大全,正好在except, except for这里缺了半页。所以,可能有些其他差别,也未可知。


作者: hougang    时间: 2004-12-3 11:46

哈哈,谢谢rhod斑竹了.


作者: Shuaishuai    时间: 2004-12-3 18:28

我记得,except for = besides, 但两者和except 在含义上是有区别的。中学时好象学过。

如 I shall take all electives this semester except Music. 含义是音乐课我不修,排除在外了;

     Besides(Except for) Music I shall take all other electives this semester. 含义是除了修音乐课我还要修其他所有选修课。

例子随便编的。请大家斧正。


作者: karen125    时间: 2005-1-15 18:14

besides指“除...外, 另外还有”, 着重“另外还有”;except的含意是“从整体里减去一部分”, 着重于“排除在外”。

虽然本题的情况不能完全套用上述解释,可还是觉得C中的besides不如except for妥当。但是og的解释并没有提出对besides的异议。

期待牛人指正。。。


作者: billion    时间: 2005-2-21 18:08
from Longman:

except/except for
[preposition] not including the person or thing that you mention. At the beginning of a sentence, always use except for, not just except


besides (adv. prep.)
1
spoken used when adding another reason
- I need the money. And besides, when I agree to do something, I do it.
2
in addition to someone or something else that you are mentioning
- The area has stunning scenery, beautiful beaches, and much more besides.
- People choose jobs for other reasons besides money.
- Besides myself, the only English people there were Keith and Doreen.
besides doing something
- Besides being heartbroken, she felt foolish.


作者: kevincao    时间: 2005-4-3 19:42

查了longman字典(D)中的excepting

excepting preposition

used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true
- synonym except (for)O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one
excepting和except (for)同意呀,都是介词,为什么错呢

作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 11:36
以下是引用rhod在2004-7-21 20:04:00的发言:

OG这里的意思是分词表示持续进行的动作,而这里应该表示一个完成的状态,所以不应该使用分词形式.


和介词短语没什么关系。


我对rhodGG在这题中的解释还是有些疑惑,我想的是og对B解释是and the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic. 而不是像B项中关于分词staging ,B项中解释分词为inappropriately ,C也是这样 C uses the participle being inappropriately大家在讨论讨论


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作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-4-20 16:02

高级问题!

首先明确一个问题, with这里引导的不是介词结构

张道真的语法书,发现两个知识点,可能可以解释副词/介词的区别:

1.副词一章:“该单词后若跟有宾语,就是介词,否则就是副词。”

2.介词一章:可以充当介词的宾语的成分主要有:

其次, 联系OG192D我们可以发现with结构是不可以有宾语的, 否则就是副词结构, 不可以修饰前面的名词, 而OG102B洽洽就是有个it,


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 17:44
以下是引用-Aquarius-在2005-4-20 16:02:00的发言:

高级问题!


首先明确一个问题, with这里引导的不是介词结构

为什么不是介词结构那,with只有介词词性,没有副词词性
作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-4-20 17:48
可以充当介词的宾语的成分主要有:

这题里面的结构和这些都不符合, 所以不是介词结构了, 而是一个在"性质上面"类似独立结构的一个副词成份. 不知道能否理解?


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 18:04

192. Cajuns speak a dialect brought to southern Louisiana by the four thousand Acadians who migrated there in 1755; their language is basically seventeenth-century French to which has been added English. Spanish. and Italian words.


(A) to which has been added English, Spanish, and Italian words



(B) added to which is English, Spanish, and Italian words



(C)  to which English, Spanish, and Italian words have been added


(D) with English, Spanish, and Italian words having been added to it



(E) and, in addition, English, Spanish, and Italian words are added



The underlined section must modify the noun phrase seventeenth-century French by noting additions made to French subsequently from foreign vocabularies. C, the best choice, does this clearly, directly, and correctly in the form of a relative clause. Because the subject of this clause is plural (words), the verb must also be plural (have been added). A and B incorrectly use singular forms has been added and is added. B also awkwardly inverts and divides the verb phrase (added... is). D offers an awkward adverbial construction, which cannot be used to modify nouns. E offers an incoherent and incomplete new clause with the wrong verb tense and no logical complement for are added_ that is, we are not told to what the words are added.

-Aquarius-我理解你说的,但是我认为这是介词结构,只不过是复合结构,薄冰语法书上叫做,分词介词(我觉得讨论的有点偏了)


这题我认为with结构仍属于介词结构,只是作状语adverbial construction,但是这到题,且是with接了it ,但是OG对此题的解释是不能修饰名词,而不是说结构unidiomatic,不过到是说了awkward。


但是总觉得102这到题问题不在with接it这个上


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作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 18:42

还有,我认为 Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it这里with结构是修饰performance的应该算是作定语


但是ETS似乎认为这个介词后在加分词是unidiomatic,而不是说加it作宾语是不对的,还有就是我对你提出的这个it是with后的宾语疑惑,我认为it应该是staging的宾语吧


the prepositional phrase containing this participle (with... it) is unidiomatic


不知道这题是不是钻了牛角尖,若是就不这样讨论了


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作者: Avantasia    时间: 2005-4-20 19:05

我的理解是无论它是什么结构(说的有点不严谨), 有一点是可以肯定的, 类似独立主格结构的东西是不可以做名词的修饰语的.

针对你上面的帖子, 回答如下:

OG这题确实是想让with引导的结构做限定性的修饰成份, 但是这里由于后面的结构是副词性质的, 所以不再可以修饰前面的名词.


作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-20 19:15
以下是引用-Aquarius-在2005-4-20 19:05:00的发言:

我的理解是无论它是什么结构(说的有点不严谨), 有一点是可以肯定的, 类似独立主格结构的东西是不可以做名词的修饰语的.


针对你上面的帖子, 回答如下:


OG这题确实是想让with引导的结构做限定性的修饰成份, 但是这里由于后面的结构是副词性质的, 所以不再可以修饰前面的名词.



好,我在领会一下,今天看的比较晕了,谢谢Aquarius!
作者: adii    时间: 2005-4-25 00:25
我同意Aquarius的看法。with sb doing sth是个独立主格结构吧?独立主格好像不能修饰名词吧?
作者: anyname    时间: 2005-4-25 13:15
实际上ETS就是不喜欢“介词+ sb/sth + doing sth”(sb/sth作doing sth的逻辑主语)的结构,所以碰到这种结构时基本可以算错误选项,因为这种结构总是可以用从句代替,更干净利索。或改成:“介词+ sb/sth+定从”,也可以。
作者: zhoushao    时间: 2005-4-25 17:38
这样,那好吧,偶就不追问了
作者: tania    时间: 2005-6-4 16:37
以下是引用kevincao在2005-4-3 19:42:00的发言:

查了longman字典(D)中的excepting


excepting preposition









used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true
- synonym except (for)O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one

excepting和except (for)同意呀,都是介词,为什么错呢


我也有同样的问题,请nn们帮忙解释一下,好吗?
作者: caroline76    时间: 2005-6-5 20:52

102的with短语修饰concert,是必不可少的,必须表达清楚


113是独立主格吧,不一样的


作者: cloudwind    时间: 2005-6-9 01:05

excepting (prep)




used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true
- synonym except (for)screen.width-500)this.style.width=screen.width-500;">

O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one
excepting和except (for)



我看到這裡還是不很瞭解為什麼OG要寫 In D, the use of Excepting in place of the
preposition Except for is unidiomatic. 一來字典上明明就有這樣的用法(例句:He answered
all the questions excepting the last one. They were all saved excepting
the captain.),所以只能夠說服自己ETS prefer "except for"而不偏好"excepting"?



請問有沒有牛牛可以提出其他題(OG上似乎沒有)佐證,不管是支持或是反證都好。謝謝。


作者: welkin    时间: 2005-7-1 23:40

再顶一下,好像对ecexpting...,sth...是否正确还没定论,而且except for...,sth...有没有逻辑主语问题呢? except for修饰的又是什么呢?


作者: tania    时间: 2005-7-27 17:34
以下是引用rhod在2004-7-23 12:01:00的发言:


理由OG在前一句里解释了,the participle staging inappropriately expresses ongoing rather than completed action,

就是不应该用现在分词来表达一个已经完成的状态。



这不应该属于unidiomatic吧?


请哪位nn再给解释一下好吗?先谢谢了!


作者: shaoheli    时间: 2005-9-1 09:33
我也想知道excepting为什么错,与except有什么区别
作者: livary    时间: 2005-9-24 13:02

把题目重贴一遍:


102. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.


(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged


(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it


(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself


(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged


(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself


根据langman:


excepting,preposition:


1)used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true [= except (for)]:


eg.O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one.


如果说excepting和except for有相同的意思,那么我对OG102 D就有新的认识,不知道对不对?


1)excepting在此如果作为except的动名词解,那么 分词在句首,其逻辑主语为句子主语 ,主语为Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera,逻辑关系就错了;


2)excepting在此如果作介词解(我认为在题是作介词,因为OG解释: the use of Excepting in place of the preposition Except for is unidiomatic.那么就应该是可以互换的(前提是excepting作为介词可以放句首,根据现代英汉综合大辞典:excepting,prep.[用于句首或 not, without, always 后面]表"除...外").


现在的问题就是,D选项中excepting有两种含义,容易产生歧义.按照ETS的一贯思路,就应该是unidiomatic.


to be discuss...


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作者: magic_cube    时间: 2005-10-4 09:37

根据石林的讲解:


在连接不同类型的事物时,只能用except for——The house was silent except for a clock chiming in the living room.


另外,根据longman的解释,句首只能用except for——Except for a small part in an obscure movie years ago, Depardieu had never before acted in an English-language picture.


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作者: seasnow    时间: 2005-11-27 04:09

根据中学的记忆:except用于具体的事物,except for用于说明某个抽象的事情。


不知道概括得是否准确,但是例子是肯定没错的。


except for用于The composition is good except for its construction.


作者: titatita    时间: 2006-1-20 17:24
以下是引用livary在2005-9-24 13:02:00的发言:

把题目重贴一遍:


102. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.


(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged


(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it


(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself


(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged


(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself


根据langman:


excepting,preposition:


1)used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true [= except (for)]:


eg.O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one.


如果说excepting和except for有相同的意思,那么我对OG102 D就有新的认识,不知道对不对?


1)excepting在此如果作为except的动名词解,那么 分词在句首,其逻辑主语为句子主语 ,主语为Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera,逻辑关系就错了;


2)excepting在此如果作介词解(我认为在题是作介词,因为OG解释: the use of Excepting in place of the preposition Except for is unidiomatic.那么就应该是可以互换的(前提是excepting作为介词可以放句首,根据现代英汉综合大辞典:excepting,prep.[用于句首或 not, without, always 后面]表"除...外").


现在的问题就是,D选项中excepting有两种含义,容易产生歧义.按照ETS的一贯思路,就应该是unidiomatic.


to be discuss...




说的过去


还有一种解释就是在gmat语法里没有except做介词的用法,当然这一点需要验证


类似比如:字典里明明有forbid from doing


而gmat中就是错误选项.


作者: hyte    时间: 2006-2-22 17:13
以下是引用rhod在2004-12-1 11:52:00的发言:

我查了夸克的英语语法大全,只有except, except for与but的比较,没有except, except for之间的比较。所以,我认为通常情况下两者的含义相同。


根据我自己自己的观察,两者的用法可能有些不同:


1. except for多用于句首,而except不用于句首.


2. except可以连接that从句,except for不可以.


说来也巧,我查的英语语法大全,正好在except, except for这里缺了半页。所以,可能有些其他差别,也未可知。


我不是很認同您的解釋~~我們台灣這的老師都是教我們~except for A, B....此時A,B可以不同類~像這題就是如此!A是a concert performance  而B是ragtime opera~不屬同類!except A, B...此時A, B一定要同累~至於excepting=except  看到必錯!馬上刪


作者: FionaLiang    时间: 2006-5-6 14:18
以下是引用hyte在2006-2-22 17:13:00的发言:


我不是很認同您的解釋~~我們台灣這的老師都是教我們~except for A, B....此時A,B可以不同類~像這題就是如此!A是a concert performance  而B是ragtime opera~不屬同類!except A, B...此時A, B一定要同累~至於excepting=except  看到必錯!馬上刪


请NN再帮忙确认一下,except到底可不可以用在句首呢?(像这样的结构:except A, B...)


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作者: FionaLiang    时间: 2006-5-6 23:27
ding!
作者: FionaLiang    时间: 2006-5-7 15:16
再顶顶!
作者: FionaLiang    时间: 2006-5-7 17:33

作者: 布瓜丫丫    时间: 2006-8-28 23:05
以下是引用livary在2005-9-24 13:02:00的发言:

把题目重贴一遍:

102. Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

根据langman:

excepting,preposition:

1)used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true [= except (for)]:

eg.O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one.

如果说excepting和except for有相同的意思,那么我对OG102 D就有新的认识,不知道对不对?

1)excepting在此如果作为except的动名词解,那么 分词在句首,其逻辑主语为句子主语 ,主语为Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera,逻辑关系就错了;

2)excepting在此如果作介词解(我认为在题是作介词,因为OG解释: the use of Excepting in place of the preposition
            Except for is unidiomatic.那么就应该是可以互换的(前提是excepting作为介词可以放句首,根据现代英汉综合大辞典:excepting,prep.[用于句首或 not, without, always 后面]表"除...外").

现在的问题就是,D选项中excepting有两种含义,容易产生歧义.按照ETS的一贯思路,就应该是unidiomatic.

to be discuss...


现在在og11里面出现了新的解释:

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢?怎么使用它呢?


作者: sigrid920    时间: 2006-8-30 20:05

请较各位:

OG11上说:excepting usually appears in negative construction,是什么意思呢?是指否定句吗?


作者: ecochem    时间: 2006-8-31 06:07

同问楼上的问题!!


作者: sigrid920    时间: 2006-9-2 08:06

再问~~!!有人知道吗?


作者: amy7777    时间: 2006-9-20 10:06
以下是引用sigrid920在2006-8-30 20:05:00的发言:

请较各位:

OG11上说:excepting usually appears in negative construction,是什么意思呢?是指否定句吗?

英语中意思为“除了……”的表达有except/except for/besides/apart from/but/but for/other than等,它们的用法复杂多变、难以掌握,学生常常为之困惑烦恼。本文将对其进行总结、归纳、练习,使学生能够系统地掌握它们的用法,消除学生几多愁。

  1. except和besides都可解作“除……之外”?但含义不同。

  

 

 

 

except表示“从所提到的人或事物中除去,即从整体中除去一部分”,表示递减的概念,含义是否定的。besides表示“除了……之外,还有……”,指“在整体中加入一部分”,表示递加的概念,含义是肯定的。

  试比较:

  ①We all went except him.

  除他之外,我们都去了。(他没有去)

  ②We all went besides him.

  除他之外,我们大家也都去了。(他也去了)

  (1)besides常与other/more/else等词连用?except常与all/every/everyone/none/nobody/everything/nothing等总括词连用。

  eg. He had other people to take care of besidesme.

  All the students in Class One went to the cinema except Li Ping.

  (2)若句中没有实义动词do的某种形式?except后接动词不定式?而besides后接动词的-ing形式。

  eg.I had no choice except to obey/besides obeying his order.

  (3)若句中有实义动词do的某种形式?二者后面都可以接动词原形。

  eg.She has nothing to do except/besides go with him.

  (4)二者后面都可以接从句。

  eg.①Besides that he explained the theory?he gave us some examples.

  ②He is a good student except that he sometimes comes late to school.

  (5)except后面可接for(构成短语except for)或其他介词短语,而besides不能。

  except for主要有三层含义:

  ①表示对整体主要部分的肯定和对局部的否定?起部分修正主要意思的作用。

  eg.Your composition is quite excellent except for several spelling mistakes.

  ②表示非同类事物进行比较。

  eg.The street is empty except for several cars.

  ③置于句首,表达except的含义。

  eg.Except for this?everything is in order.

  except for后接名(代)词?可以转移为except+从句或其他介词短语。

  eg.The climate here is good except for some rainy days.(except when it rains;except that it sometimes rains;except on the rainy days)

  注意:二者用于否定句时含义相同,意思是一样的。

  eg. He did nothing besides (=except) this.

  除这件事外,他什么事也没做。

  2. apart from兼有besides和except for两种含义,后接名词、代词或动名词。

  3. but含义与except相同,都表示递减的概念,二者在多数情况下可以互换,但用法稍有区别。

  ①except可以代替but?但but并不一定都可以代替except?如果句中有no、all、nobody、who、where等不定代词或疑问词时,多用but?后跟宾语从句时,多用except。

  ②but for含义有时与except for相同,但主要表示“要不是……”,常用于虚拟句,表示一种假设。

  ③but位置的变化会引起人称代词主、宾格的变化。

  No one but I (=except me) knows it.

  No one knows it but me (=except me).

  4. other than含义与except/but相同,都表示从总体中除去一部分?后接名词、代词或不定式。

  eg.In that case?there is nothing you can do other than wait. (2001年上海春季高考题)

  Practice

  1. I know nothing about the young lady___she is from Beijing.(2000年上海高考题)

  A. except B. except for

  C. except that D. besides

  2. The suit fitted him well___the colour was a little brighter.(2000年上海春季高考题)

  A. except for B. except that

  C. except when D. besides

  3. He did have nothing to eat but_____.

  A. to steal some food from the shop

  B. to rob some food of the shop

  C. steal some food from the shop

  D. rob some food of the shop

  4. Jane was quite alone in the world____an aunt in Brazil.

  A. except B. except for

  C. besides D. instead of

  5.____being a little large?the hat looks nice.

  A. Apart from B. Except

  C. But D. Besides for

  6. In no country___Britain can one experience four seasons in the course of a single day.

  A. other than B. anything that

  C. more than D. rather than

  7. He gets up early every day___Sunday.

  A. besides B. except for

  C. except that D. except

  8. We need fifteen more people______our team to do the job.

  A. besides B. except for

  C. except that D. except

  Key?1. C 2. B 3. A 4. B 5. A

  6. A 7. D 8.A(山东省沂南一中 魏作雷 李瑞云)


作者: wei_wangyan    时间: 2006-12-3 10:50
以下是引用布瓜丫丫在2006-8-28 23:05:00的发言:

现在在og11里面出现了新的解释:

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢?怎么使用它呢?

问..


作者: jianlysmile    时间: 2007-5-10 12:54
以下是引用wei_wangyan在2006-12-3 10:50:00的发言:

问..

同问,顶
作者: jianlysmile    时间: 2007-5-10 12:55

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢?怎么使用它呢?

刚才没有贴上,同问


作者: wingkim    时间: 2007-5-16 21:10
以下是引用hyte在2006-2-22 17:13:00的发言:

我不是很認同您的解釋~~我們台灣這的老師都是教我們~except for A, B....此時A,B可以不同類~像這題就是如此!A是a concert performance  而B是ragtime opera~不屬同類!except A, B...此時A, B一定要同累~至於excepting=except  看到必錯!馬上刪

except:

prep.  1.used to introduce the only person, thing, action, fact, or situation about which a statement is not true
The office is open every day except Sundays.

You can have any of the cakes except this one       .此处A ....except B(同except A,B)确有同类的情况

except for
Everyone went except for Scott and Dan.

She felt fine except for being a little tired.         except for A, B....此時A,B可以同类,也可以不同類

都是取“除了....之外(不包含,与besides的包含不同),其他的怎样”的意思,而且朗文有这样的说法“
        At the beginning of a sentence, always use except for, not just except ”,即except不用于句首。

conj.  2.used to give the reason why something was not done or did not happen   这个解释跟本题无关,而且GMAT好像没有出现过使用这个的解释。
except (that)
Liz would have run, except that she didn't want to appear to be in a hurry.

excepting

 prep.    formal
used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true——synonym except (for)

O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one

It is a desert with no animals of any kind, excepting a few lizards.

excepting的解释比except的解释少了“action, fact, or situation ”,即excepting后面只能接thing和person,且朗文给出的这两个例句都是同类的。

所以,我认为:

except A, B....和excepting A, B....中A和B必须同类的,不用于句首;且excepting只能后接人或物,不能接动作、事实或情况;

except for A, B。。。中A和B可以是不同类,用于句首。

这题中的"concert performance"我认为是属于“action, fact or situation”的范畴,所以用excepting是“it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.”

至于“Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;”这个是指什么,是否是说常用于否定结构中?没法找到原因,不知哪位能做解释??



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作者: 20060612cat    时间: 2007-6-22 05:01
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作者: audreychenjj    时间: 2007-7-27 13:46

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢?等待用11th的NN出来解答~~~~~~~~~


作者: 霁月    时间: 2007-8-6 18:51

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

顶起来,希望能有NN留意到~~~想知道是什么意思,谢谢~~


作者: 剩下的果实    时间: 2007-10-12 23:19

对于这里OG11中对于D的解释,D  Excepting usually appears in negative constructionsit is not the correct idiom in this sentence.注意到解释部分的两句话是用分号连接,也就是说,并不是因为excepting usually appears in negative constructions,这里才是不正确的.前半句话只是说在较多情况下excepting用于否定,(并不是说不能用肯定)正如我们在现代英汉综合大辞典中可以查到的,excepting,prep, 可以用在not, without, always后面. 后半句话说这里不正确,个人理解是句首一定要用except for,正如longman里提到的except/except for [preposition] not including the person or thing that you mention. At the beginning of a sentence, always use except for, not just except
        


作者: dormousedzc    时间: 2007-11-23 22:05
以下是引用jianlysmile在2007-5-10 12:55:00的发言:

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

这个解释是什么意思呢?怎么使用它呢?

刚才没有贴上,同问

excepting

[用于句首或 not, without, always 后面]除...外
Everyone, not excepting myself has the responsibility.
每人都应负责 (包括我自己)。

OG的就是说excepting通常都是跟在否定词后面的.


作者: 洪琳達    时间: 2008-6-18 10:18

補充:

excepting
    

prep
except
USAGE: The use of excepting is considered by many people to be
                "acceptable only after not, only, always, or without".

            Elsewhere except is preferred:
EX. every country agreed to the proposal except (not excepting) Spain;
      he was well again except for (not excepting) a slight pain in his chest.

作者: sky85    时间: 2008-7-16 00:59
以下是引用霁月在2007-8-6 18:51:00的发言:

D.Excepting usually appears in negative constructions ;it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.

顶起来,希望能有NN留意到~~~想知道是什么意思,谢谢~~

顶下, 望nn出来解答一下~~


作者: yukiko    时间: 2008-9-6 16:42
同问OG11th中对excepting的解释
作者: Mayanist    时间: 2009-2-1 01:52
以下是引用rhod在2004-9-1 10:22:00的发言:

OG的意思是没有Excepting的说法.

正确的说法是except, 或except for.

OG11 verbal review  #13并没有说没有excepting的说法:

            D Excepting usually appears in negative constructions; it is not the correct idiom in this sentence.
   

Longman上没有将except for 和excepting严格区分,两者都是介词,下面是其例句:

Jim answered all the questions excepting the last one. Jim回答了除最后一题外的所有问题 -- 没有回答最后一题 (negative)

It is a desert with no animals of any kind, excepting a few lizards. 除了有少量Lizards外,沙漠中没有其他动物。(positive -- 有少量)

Everyone went except for Scott and Dan.  Scott and Dan 没有去 (negative)

She felt fine except for being a little tired.

看完37, 58, 60楼,基本清楚了,谢谢前辈们!

37楼:D选项中excepting有两种可能用法(分词或者介词),容易产生歧义;而且做分词时逻辑主语则有问题

看完37, 58, 60楼,基本清楚了,谢谢前辈们!

37楼:D选项中excepting有两种可能用法(分词或者介词),容易产生歧义;而且做分词时逻辑主语则有问题

作介词--参见60楼:The use of excepting is considered by many people to be
      "acceptable only after not, only, always, or without".


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作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-2-1 03:45

对于excepting的歧义说法持保留意见...不过同意excepting多用于否定意义的句子.
acceptable only after not, only, always, or without.可以再加几个程度比较绝对化的词:all, no...


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作者: zyitbest    时间: 2009-3-17 19:19
以下是引用aeoluseros在2009-2-1 3:45:00的发言:

对于excepting的歧义说法持保留意见...不过同意excepting多用于否定意义的句子.
acceptable only after not, only, always, or without.可以再加几个程度比较绝对化的词:all, no...


谢谢斑竹!!

可是,ALWAYS、ONLY也算表示否定意义的词么?

刚刚查了下Encarta:

except, except for, or excepting:

Often the question of whether to use except or except for is a matter of indifference: We'd all seen the play except [or except for] Joe. Where the exception is closely paired with what it is an exception to, except is more usual: All of us except Joe had seen the play. Except for is used where the connection to what is being excepted is indirect, and is also more common at the beginning of a sentence: Except for that, we were in agreement. Excepting is the correct choice after not: She was the most important person in his life, not excepting his mother.

Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


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作者: BLinging    时间: 2009-8-13 17:20
except for
adv. 除了(除...外)

作者: ivyfeng    时间: 2009-8-13 17:43

状似大家为了excepting的问题很头大,我发表一下拙见~

首先,except是介词或连词,一般excepting不常见(不能把话说死,貌似大家查到很多出处),但是我认为一般GMAT中间的分词出现一共有三大作用,这里都米有用到。这道题的破题点本人认为就是两个:1 except for表示排除的东西和后面主句的不是一类事物,except表示排出物和主句是一类事物,besides表示包含 2 with的用法,with修饰名词后代五种结构,但是有一点,后不能加it之类的与修饰部分重复的宾语(这个在do中也有效)


作者: UlysessHope    时间: 2011-10-6 00:28
标题: 在线朗文的解释
Except conjunction, preposition
used to introduce the only person, thing, action, fact, or situation about which a statement is not true:


The office is open every day except Sundays.
You can have any of the cakes except this one.




except for
Everyone went except for Scott and Dan.
She felt fine except for being a little tired.




Exceptingpreposition




used to introduce the only thing or person in a group about which a statement is not true [= except (for)]:
O'Rourke answered all the questions excepting the last one.


except, besides, apart from, unless

except means 'not including' or 'but not'

? They invited everyone except Julie.

besides means 'in addition to'

? Besides Italy (NOT except Italy), I would like to visit France and Spain.

apart from can be used with either meaning

? I ate everything apart from (OR except) the soup.

? What do you like doing apart from (OR besides) swimming?

except is not used to introduce another clause. Use unless or except if, except when, except while, except that

? We won't go unless you really want to (NOT except you really want to).

? I cycle to work, except when it rains (NOT except it rains).

In spoken English, people sometimes leave out 'that'

? The play went well, except (that) a few people forgot their lines.


作者: 熊先生    时间: 2016-11-16 03:28
rhod 发表于 2004-9-1 10:22
OG的意思是没有Excepting的说法. 正确的说法是except, 或except for.

对于D选项,OG先说excepting通常用于negative constructions,后面又说不是正确的idiom形式,好不理解。。。




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