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作者: WONDERLAND2004    时间: 2004-7-17 20:59
标题: GWD Set 7 T4(继续讨论)

不好意思,希望大家继续来讨论这个题目。谢谢。


Q4:


Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.




  • movies—less than those

  • movies—fewer than have been

  • movies, which is less than those

  • movies, a number lower than the people

  • movies, fewer than the ones

  • 我选e而不选b,因为B的破折号在这里既使成立也应该放在white shark和the man-eater 之间。而e中的the ones是和seven people对应的主语,killed by bee stings做定语,后面省略了谓语have been。这个句子好比说 I am older than you (are) 一样的效果。


    作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-18 04:10

    E不好,因为E的时态和未划线部分的时态存在差异,而这种差异是不合乎逻辑的;

    A的表述如果如你所言,那么the man-eater of结构必须重新用shark开个头,句子就显得罗嗦了,这里的破折号用来因为movies作为一个非谓语结构中的名词,所以无法和fewer than have been中的动词实现逻辑搭配,所以划线部分的have been只可能和未划线部分的have been平行,所以句子的表达没有问题。


    作者: shifeng    时间: 2004-9-22 18:43

    E " killed by..." 不是表示时态,同志


    作者: agk99    时间: 2004-9-22 22:08

    單就本題我有兩點疑問

    一,這一題的破折號與逗號的作用是否相同

    二,如果是為了修飾people,那麼就直接找few修飾還是less修飾較好

    謝謝


    作者: rhod    时间: 2004-9-22 23:28

    E里面ones指代的对象不明确。

    一,這一題的破折號與逗號的作用是否相同

    关于破折号的作用, agk99兄可以参考这个帖子的30楼.

    http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&id=58785&star=3#601403

    二,如果是為了修飾people,那麼就直接找few修飾還是less修飾較好

    few.


    作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-24 11:50

    我觉得B错


    than后面少了一个those或者ones,毕竟被bees干掉的与被鲨鱼干掉的不是同一批人;B中的have been甚至可以省略。


    open to discussion


    作者: chelin_wu1220    时间: 2005-7-11 13:40

    同问~~~~~~~~主语可以省掉吗?


    还有,我选了E,the ones 有什么问题吗?


    作者: amacd    时间: 2005-10-12 19:30
    以下是引用chelin_wu1220在2005-7-11 13:40:00的发言:

    同问~~~~~~~~主语可以省掉吗?


    还有,我选了E,the ones 有什么问题吗?



    the ones - can refer to people or movies, right?


    so i chose B...


    作者: puccamummy    时间: 2005-11-10 15:28

    Q4:


    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.






    1. movies—less than those

    2. movies—fewer than(the ones/those) have been

    3. movies, which is less than those

    4. movies, a number lower than the people

    5. movies, fewer than the ones——正确

    关于E,


    1。the ones,在语法里,只有指代人的意思,没有指代物。


    2。killed,在这里表示被动,不表示时态,不存在时态对错(你需要什么时态,它就是什么时态)。这里只是说那些被bee杀死的人。


    关于B,fewer than what? 没有说明   句子明显残缺





    some advice....
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    作者: 芷菁    时间: 2005-11-11 00:10
    开始选了B。看了半天NN的讨论,如果KILLED表示被动,是ONES的定语从句的话,正确答案应该是E了。
    作者: 水色    时间: 2006-5-4 18:21
    同意  puccamummy的观点,偶也认为应该选E,B缺少比较物噢
    作者: hawkinsxie    时间: 2006-6-12 13:11

    我选A。

    1)破折号表示后面的是同位语,类似于用一个新名词

    2)B不好,因为没有比较对象,  fewer不如less好,当表示多少的时候的比较级

    3)E不好,用一个adj.作dangling modifier却不能修饰主句主语


    作者: vanessav    时间: 2006-6-13 03:37

    A is not the nest answer.

    A lot of writings in AP news or Nytimes news suggest that using of "ones" is frequently used by native writers.

    Examples:

    "A lot of the courses, like Pinehurst, the ones that are essentially all green, you have to really, really search for that perfect lighting," she continued. "Otherwise the painting would just be incredibly boring."--from today's nytimes;

    But when highly respected legal experts on civil liberties, including ones favoring same-sex marriage, raise the same possibility, their concerns cannot be dismissed as partisan debating points.

    --------also from today's nytimes.


    作者: lklszlklsz    时间: 2006-6-13 08:23

    the answer is e

    absolutely


    作者: fannyyudan    时间: 2006-6-25 10:27
    我也选A,可数名次在可以用less来表示数量上的区别,而且这里也不存在B的缺少those的情况,或者E中用the ones歧义的情况
    作者: vanessawhy    时间: 2006-7-11 02:07

    这是一种比较词than或者 as之后出现主语省略的情况

    1.        In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

    (A) Americans were killed as

    (B) Americans were killed than

    (C) Americans were killed than those who

    (D) more Americans were killed as thereA

    (E) more Americans were killed as those who

    这是OG里的一道题目

    答案是A  在as 和would later be killed之间省略了 americans

    这么说,shark的那一题正确答案还是应该是B, 首先fewer的用法是对的,虽然说less在MW字典里可以这样用,可是它也说了这是新近的用法,不代表出题的就接受。很多语法书的语法点gmat也是不接受的。

    其次,have been与前面的时态是呼应的。


    作者: mbz    时间: 2006-7-11 02:30
    B is the answer. To the friend on the 16th floor, the two questions are quite different, and hence can't be compared.
    作者: findjuhl    时间: 2006-9-9 17:06

    这道题很阴险阿,ETS设置了很多陷阱,首先B的破折号会让人有比较插入语成分的歧义,所以不能选B

    其次,答案E之所以用The ones而不是those,因为those会有歧义指代插入语的movies,只有the ones才能指代前面的复数人


    作者: madben    时间: 2006-9-14 02:32
    以下是引用vanessawhy在2006-7-11 2:07:00的发言:

    这是一种比较词than或者 as之后出现主语省略的情况

    1.        In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

    (A) Americans were killed as

    (B) Americans were killed than

    (C) Americans were killed than those who

    (D) more Americans were killed as thereA

    (E) more Americans were killed as those who

    这是OG里的一道题目

    答案是A  在as 和would later be killed之间省略了 americans

    这么说,shark的那一题正确答案还是应该是B, 首先fewer的用法是对的,虽然说less在MW字典里可以这样用,可是它也说了这是新近的用法,不代表出题的就接受。很多语法书的语法点gmat也是不接受的。

    其次,have been与前面的时态是呼应的。

    OG上的这道题目被引用了好几次,但我认为OG上的题目和GWD这道题目有一个非常大的区别,那就是OG里被省略的成分是“Americans",在主句是泛指。如果将之补全,就是
    In one of the bloodiest battles of the Civil War, fought at Sharpsburg, Maryland, on September 17, 1862, four times as many Americans were killed as Americans
                
    would later be killed on the beaches of Normandy during D-Day.

    但GWD里这道题主句的主语是Seven people,如果将B省略的主语补全,则变成了
    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—fewer than seven people
                
    have been
    killed by bee stings.

    怎么说也是不合乎逻辑的。另外B中破折号的用法我认为也很有问题,B中破折号变成了强调修饰的对象是movies


    我个人觉得正确答案还应该是E. Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies, fewer than the ones killed by bee stings.

    其实完全可以将E稍微改写一下以帮助理解:
    Only seven people , fewer than the ones killed by bee stings, this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies.


    作者: allen0018    时间: 2006-9-14 09:19
    1)those 代词修饰核心成分
    2)能省略所有的谓语吗?

    作者: madben    时间: 2006-9-15 11:10
    puccamummy

    女口果人尔能看日月白这段言舌,那言兑日月人尔白勺目艮目青有严重白勺散光

    可怕。看来我的眼睛散光眞的很严重。


    作者: tuffcookie    时间: 2007-7-22 06:48

    up 9

    选对了E都没有考虑到ones只能代指人这一点

    还有D是肯定错的,a number 只能在此做同位语,但前面都没有出现number(seven 不是中心语),又能和谁同位呢?


    作者: carolinelmf    时间: 2007-7-24 11:25
    好好玩哟~我支持E !!
    作者: smilingalone    时间: 2008-4-23 19:49
    究竟是选E还是B啊???
    作者: shawn0311    时间: 2008-5-11 14:48

    各位NN,我认为这道题的E更好些。关于我的看法如下:

    首先,是关于标点符号。在OG11上有一题说了,就是梵高画的那道题,插入语的前后应该是两个逗号,如果说破折号也可以放在插入语前后,那应该是没有逗号的情况下吧;

    其次,关于the ones。我觉得不存在混淆的问题,因为than的比较并列使得前后自然是人与人在比较;

    第三,关于killed。我觉得有可能是省略have been,因为在看了很多题后发现,句子中比较结构前后凡是相同的结构基本都可以省略,甚至我觉得the ones因为也代表人,也可以省略。

    请各位大N多多赐教


    作者: tianyi_2003    时间: 2008-9-1 17:21

    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the
                
    movies—fewer than have been
                
    killed by bee stings.

     

    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies, fewer than the ones
                            
    killed by bee stings.

    有人能告诉我在这里,fewer 是什么成分吗?


    作者: laipiyu    时间: 2008-9-2 23:41

    E的问题在于the定冠词,难道大家都忘了the定冠词的用法了吗?"特指"啊!!

    有了这个the,那么the ones就是特指前面出现过的同一物体.比如这里指people,那么就是特指the people,也就是被great white shark所杀的这seven people.因为不可能还同时被bee stings所杀,所以E是不对的.

    ones并不是非要指代人,这个概念不能继续被误导了.

    fewer做后置修饰啊.


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-9-3 00:18

    有了这个the,那么the ones就是特指前面出现过的同一物体.

    这句话没有根据,the的存在是因为后面对one有所修饰,这样的用法很多的,可以在google搜索"than the one"(加双引号搜索)到很多。


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-9-3 00:25

    http://www.homebusinessonline.com/ezine/hbb/010927.html

    这个网页里有类似的句子,我想就是出处了。

    Such fears, however, are largely unfounded.  According to
    Nature Publishing Group, "Only seven people this century have
    been killed by the Great White Shark, the man-eater of the
    movies -- fewer than the number killed by bee stings.
    "


    Between 1990 and 1997, there were 28 deaths of children from
    television sets toppling over on them.  That's four times the
    number of deaths compared to an entire century of deaths from
    Great White Shark attacks.
    ---

    可以看出来,破折号在“出处”和本题里都是解释说明的作用。



    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2008-9-3 00:52

    In my opinion E is incorrect because it makes a comparsion between number (7 people) and people.

    If you substitute choice E, this is how it would look:

    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great
                        white
                        shark, the man-eater of the movies, fewer than the ones killed by bee stings.


    作者: laipiyu    时间: 2008-9-3 12:07
    以下是引用aeoluseros在2008-9-3 0:18:00的发言:

    有了这个the,那么the ones就是特指前面出现过的同一物体.

    这句话没有根据,the的存在是因为后面对one有所修饰,这样的用法很多的,可以在google搜索"than the one"(加双引号搜索)到很多。

    不明白你的意思。你是想说你搜索到的这些than the one指代的不是前面出现过的事物吗?

    than the one本身不会有错,只是用在错误的地方才是错。所以搜索出再多的“than the one”也不能说明他在这句话里就是对的。

    不过我认为那是不可能的。the就是表示特指或者独一无二的物体。小哥,越基本的也是越重要的。


    作者: Netherlander    时间: 2008-9-26 16:59

    作者: 逢冰    时间: 2008-9-27 01:24
    1. movies—less than those
              
    2. movies—fewer than have been
              
    3. movies, which is less than those
              
    4. movies, a number lower than the people
              
    5. movies, fewer than the ones

    语法点:

    1、 比较(Comparison):fewer than 比…少,用于可数名词(few的比较级); less than 比…少,用于不可数名词(little的比较级);

     
    2、agreement。B中which 通常紧跟其指代的n,D中the ones 指代模糊,而且the的用法奇怪

     

    我觉得因为B中have been 非常公整的对照了第一句,故而很清楚省略了people.所以我选B.

    个人观点,仅供讨论


    作者: jomn111    时间: 2009-7-18 15:00
    一个疑惑还没人解答吧:B的those/ones能随便省略吗?
    作者: lijiahui0422    时间: 2009-9-8 10:12
    这题虽然正确答案已经给出了是B,但是我还是有些不明白,这个题到底是在比较什么?应该是people和people在比吧,而B后半部分是个句子,总感觉不妥
    作者: wg5702zy    时间: 2009-9-12 02:28

    我纠结于B的原因就是不明白than后面的代词能不能省略

    请NN指点!!


    作者: shanefeng    时间: 2009-12-15 00:54

    In my opinion E is incorrect because it makes a comparsion between number (7 people) and people.

    If you substitute choice E, this is how it would look:

    Only seven people this century have been killed by the great
                       white
                       shark, the man-eater of the movies, fewer than the ones killed by bee stings.



    -- by 会员 aeoluseros (2008/9/3 0:52:00)


    agree, at first I am not very sure about what are compared here. Indeed, I think the number of people killed by shark is compared to the number of people killed by bees, not people. and ones cannot mean the number.

    open to disuss

    作者: buffonjuventus    时间: 2010-10-8 12:56
    我纠结于B的原因就是不明白than后面的代词能不能省略
    请NN指点!!
    -- by 会员 wg5702zy (2009/9/12 2:28:00)


    同问啊……




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