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作者: 我笨,我努力    时间: 2004-7-16 23:08
标题: 大全-D-11

11.Gloria: Those who advocate tuition tax credits for parents whose children attend private schools maintain that people making no use of a government service should not be forced to pay for it. Yet those who choose to buy bottled water rather than drink water from the local supply are not therefore exempt from paying taxes to maintain the local water supply.



Roger: Your argument is illogical. Children are required by law to attend school. Since school attendance is a matter not of choice, but of legal requirement, it is unfair for the government to force some parents to pay for it twice.



Which of the following responses by Gloria would best refute Roger’s charge that her argument is illogical?



(A) Although drinking water is not required by law, it is necessary for all people, and therefore my analogy is appropriate.



(B) Those who can afford the tuition at a high-priced private school can well bear the same tax burden as those whose children attend public schools.



(C) If tuition tax credits are granted, the tax burden on parents who choose public schools will rise to an intolerable level.



(D) The law does not say that parents must send their children to private schools, only that the children must attend some kind of school, whether public or private.A



(E) Both bottled water and private schools are luxury items, and it is unfair that some citizens should be able to afford them while others cannot.


我有几个问题:


1.roger 反对gloria,他用law是为了针对gloria类比中的哪个漏洞?


2.roger:Your argument is illogical. Children are required by law to attend school. Since school attendance is a matter not of choice, but of legal requirement, it is unfair for the government to force some parents to pay for it twice.他的因果关系,我弄不明白。怎么回pay twice呢?


3.我开始选的D。看到答案后才明白他是在考错误的类比关系。


但我觉得D也可以削弱roger的话,大家认为呢?



作者: robertchu    时间: 2004-7-17 08:01
Roger tries to paint Gloria's analogy as illogic by saying one is reqired by law and the other is not.
Pay twice: tuition for the private school, and tax which is used to support public school
The questionasks for best choice that "refute Roger’s charge that Gloria's argumentis illogical".        A directly attacks        Roger's claim thatsubstential differences exist between paying for school and paying forwater.

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作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-7-17 09:42

1. 个人认为,roger是想驳斥gloria的类比,认为其不可比。R说上学不像一个matter or of choice,是一个legal requirement,而饮水则属于一种matter or of choice。所以不可比

2. 所谓pay twice,是因为学生家长要交私立学校的钱,同时还要交政府的钱,则是双分。

3. D并没有直接反驳R呀,R是批驳G的类比,那反驳就要从类比入手。


作者: 我笨,我努力    时间: 2004-7-19 22:33
Thank you!
作者: tuzq    时间: 2005-2-19 21:39
以下是引用arundhati在2004-7-17 9:42:00的发言:

1. 个人认为,roger是想驳斥gloria的类比,认为其不可比。R说上学不像一个matter or of choice,是一个legal requirement,而饮水则属于一种matter or of choice。所以不可比


2. 所谓pay twice,是因为学生家长要交私立学校的钱,同时还要交政府的钱,则是双分。


3. D并没有直接反驳R呀,R是批驳G的类比,那反驳就要从类比入手。


我觉得D确实驳斥了呀。1)为什么从类比出发的驳斥才是直接驳斥呢?2)即使只有从类比出发的驳斥才是直接驳斥,题目又没有要求一定要直接驳斥呀。呵呵,有点像道逻辑题。


题干最后一句话 it is unfair for the government to force some parents to pay for it twice,我觉得就是D的很好的驳斥点。D说,law又没有规定家长must 送孩子去私立学校。不就是说government didn't force parents to send to private school, so government didn't force parents to pay for it twice吗?


期望讨论!


作者: lawyer_1    时间: 2005-2-26 20:27
同意arundhati的解释。对于D,不但题目要求找一个选项削弱R对G的反驳的选项,而D选项与R对G的反驳无关,而且R得出结论的证明方式是在驳斥G的证据的基础上得出来的,实质上R自己并没有证据,如果没有了G的类比证据,R说的小孩入学是法律要求这个证据是得不出结论(这些人Pay双倍不合理),所以要削弱R就要从G的类比是否有证明力着手,所以问题的关键就在于G的类比是否能证明G的论点,D表面看起来好像削弱了R的证据,实际上不是在能否证明R的结论方向上削弱。
作者: 三千年    时间: 2006-7-3 15:02

    

同意lawyer的分析,本题要求选项能refute R’s charge that G’s
argument is illogical
,
R指责G’s argument
illogical
的核心就是指出了G的类比的缺陷,即watereducation不同。A指出其实两者是相同的,所以最好的反驳了R的指责。D只是指出了R所称的legal requirement的含义不准确,但即使legal requirement的含义有问题也不等于watereducation就可比了。因此从反驳的角度D没有A好。



作者: mathsgirl    时间: 2007-4-26 10:23

Gloria:

Those who advocate tuition tax credits for parents whose children attend private schools maintain that people making no use of a government service should not be forced to pay for it.
            

Yet those who choose to buy bottled water rather than drink water from the local supply are not therefore exempt from paying taxes to maintain the local water supply.

我感觉这句类比逻辑明显不对

因为没有得到证政府的服务,所以上私立学校学生的家长无须交学费税
但是喝瓶装水而非当地水的人还是要付当地水税

谁来帮我分析一下?


作者: Prison_Break    时间: 2007-4-26 11:32

答案是什么?

我的答案:A

G观点
                
不使用公共设施,不缴税

R观点
                
因为法律要求上学,非选择,要缴税,但不缴两次。

题目:支持G 反对
                    R

B/C很容易排除

E 反对G排除

还是选择,支持
                    R

故答案
                    A


作者: Prison_Break    时间: 2007-4-26 11:44

这道题目太难了,请牛牛指导!

关键是思考的方向是什么?


作者: fogwind    时间: 2008-4-12 00:07
以下是引用mathsgirl在2007-4-26 10:23:00的发言:

Gloria:

Those who advocate tuition tax credits for parents whose children attend private schools maintain that people making no use of a government service should not be forced to pay for it.
   

Yet those who choose to buy bottled water rather than drink water from the local supply are not therefore exempt from paying taxes to maintain the local water supply.

我感觉这句类比逻辑明显不对

因为没有得到证政府的服务,所以上私立学校学生的家长无须交学费税
但是喝瓶装水而非当地水的人还是要付当地水税

谁来帮我分析一下?

G是为了反驳上私立学校不用缴税的观点举出的例子。

那些子女上私立学校不想缴税的人认为,因为没有用到公共教育资源,所以就不应该缴税给公共教育买单。G举了个反例,喝桶装水不喝自来水的人照样还不是给当地的自来水厂缴税的。

R是为了反驳,说明其类比不正确。

A强调了其类比是正确的,所以反驳了R

D没有削弱R,R说的是 “上学”不是选择是强制。D说的是 “上私立学校”是选择不是强制。讨论的对象不一样。


作者: Xunan    时间: 2008-8-19 21:05
gloria: the tuition tax should not be canceled. reason:use buying water to be the analogy
roger:  the tuition tax should be canceled.     reason: school attendance is the legal requirement (but buying water is not)

so gloria should reaponse to roger's point about the  'requirement' to justify his analogy is reasonable


作者: leo-liu    时间: 2008-9-23 18:42

我承认A的正确性

但我还是认为D应该也对,Roger说上学是强制要求的,和买瓶装水不具有可比性。D选项说法律没有强制人们上公立还是私立学校,人们有选择的权利,(就像买瓶装水一样,你可以buy bottled water也可以drink water from the local supply),实际上也就是说明了类比的正确性。

也许选择A的原因是其比较直接了当,而且后半句话说明了 "and therefore my analogy is appropriate"。


作者: crazyyeah    时间: 2008-10-17 19:41

如果选D的话:

G:那些上私立学校的认为他们没使用公共财产,所以不应该缴税。但喝瓶装水而不喝自来水需要缴纳税费呀。(所以你上私立学校也应该额外缴税)

R:你的立论有误。上学是法律规定的,所以迫使那些上私立学校的人交双份税收很不公平。

G:法律只规定上学,又没规定你上私立还是公立。(所以你选择私立的话你就交那双份税收吧,就像喝水虽然是必须的,但没人规定你喝瓶装水还是自来水,所以那些人既然选择喝瓶装水而不是免费的自来水,那就让他们自愿承担额外的税收。)

如果选A的话:

G:那些上私立学校的认为他们没使用公共财产,所以不应该缴税。但喝瓶装水而不喝自来水需要缴纳税费呀。(所以你上私立学校也应该额外缴税)

R:你的立论有误。上学是法律规定的,所以迫使那些上私立学校的人交双份税收很不公平。(但是喝水又没人逼你,所以没有可比性,你重新论证吧)

G:我的类比是正确的,因为喝水也是必须的。(但人们喝免费的自来水就完全可以满足生存需求,如果你愿意付高价买瓶装水那也没人拦你。上学也是一样的,如果你不愿意去免费的公立学校那你就乖乖的支付额外的税收上私立呗。)

所以日常生活中两个人拌嘴的话说A或者说D都是殊途同归的,但这里的区别主要在于对R言外之意的理解,R的反驳实际上有两层意思:1 拿喝水和上学类比是不行的,2 上学因为是强制性的,(有些人被强制上了私立学校),所以不应该让这些人交双倍学费。如此看来A选项是抓住了更大的前提来反驳。

我觉得这题光读懂题干就很难,那个tuition tax credits我就一直不知道什么意思,所以我做题时根本不知道G是支持免学费税还是支持加学费税或是支持免瓶装水税...


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作者: lijiahui0422    时间: 2009-7-15 14:00

顶楼上,说的透彻

这题真是比较难


作者: benja    时间: 2009-9-24 09:12

(D) The law does not say that parents must send their children to private schools, only that the children must attend some kind of school, whether public or private.  f

反了,这似乎正好证明了school attendance is of legal requirement


作者: Zurichsee    时间: 2011-1-11 11:34
顶13楼
确实很容易被忽悠到D。。。
A看着不怎么敢选。。。哎
作者: zoechancruz    时间: 2011-1-20 05:24
G:上私立学校可以不交政府的钱,那为什么我自己愿意花钱买瓶装水而不喝政府提供的直饮水,凭什么还让我支付直饮水的钱?(言下之意也不需要交直饮水钱)
R: 你怎么可以这么做对比呢?上学跟喝水根本就是两个不同的范畴,上学是法律明文规定的,而喝不喝直饮水只是人们的一种选择罢了,不是硬性的规定,哪能跟上学这种法律上的硬性规定相比较呢!

A选项:那好吧,既然你说上学跟喝水根本不具备可比性,单单是因为上学是法律硬性规定的,那好啊,那你怎么解释“直饮水虽然不是法律硬性规定的,但是它依然是所有人们的日常必需品”(言下之意:你说直饮水是一种选择,喝不喝是有人决定的,那它怎么又成了“必需品”了。)驳斥了R的观点。
作者: caoqin1981    时间: 2011-9-12 10:07
这道题蛮有意思呃:
G说政府应该给那些上私立学校的孩子的家长减税,因为他们掏很贵的钱上的私立而没有享受政府给予的便宜的公立学校,没有占政府的便宜,却还要交双份税。用了个类比,不用公共设施的水,自己买高价瓶装水喝也要交双份,他们的类似点是都没有占公家的便宜却为此买单。
R说 G的类比不恰当,他们没有可比性,上学时规定,喝水是选择。R的逻辑推理是既然是要求规定上学,没得选,政府就不能强迫家长交双份税。----R的逻辑似乎比G更恐怖耶。
G怎么维护自己是对的。R说类比不恰当,那么就要重新找类比的相似处----水是必须要喝的,学也是要上的,都是满足人们必不可少的需求。

反正是各说各的理
作者: myaska    时间: 2011-9-12 11:54
我顶13楼的分析!D的确是可以驳斥R的论点。

但是又仔细看了一下题目的问题,是要问我们G如何才能驳斥R对她的逻辑论证上的指责,即把可以weaken R的观点的范围缩小了。

G论证用的是类比,R对G论证的指责就是针对其对比的不成立(上学与喝水),所以R要维护自己的论证就是要说明自己的类比是成立的,也就是A选项所说的。

如果题目问的是以下哪个G的回答能够驳斥R的观点,那A和D都可以成为答案。

还是怪自己太粗心,看题目只看了一半~
作者: zxppx    时间: 2013-3-7 12:18
注意问题“best refute”
11.Gloria: Those who advocate tuition tax credits for parents whose children attend private schools maintain that people making no use of a government service should not be forced to pay for it. Yet those who choose to buy bottled water rather than drink water from the local supply are not therefore exempt from paying taxes to maintain the local water supply.
Roger: Your argument is illogical. Children are required by law to attend school. Since school attendance is a matter not of choice, but of legal requirement, it is unfair for the government to force some parents to pay for it twice.
R认为G推理的错误在于:教育是法律规定的,必须要做的(但是买水是可以选择的)

Which of the following responses by Gloria would best refute Roger’s charge that her argument is illogical?
目的是要反驳R的观点(认为G的不合理),而R正好引用了法律的强制性。那么G可以同样利用喝水是必须的来反驳R。但我没弄懂G引用两个例子之间的关系。不过这里不是考点。我做错了就在于把这个地方理解错了!

(A)Although drinking water is not required by law, it is necessary for all people, and therefore my analogy is appropriate.
上学是必须的,但是可以选择公立和私立学校;喝水是必须的,但是可以选择瓶装水和当地的水。所以这个类比是合理的

(B) Those who can afford the tuition at a high-priced private school can well bear the same tax burden as those whose children attend public schools.
能承受并不表明就应该承受

(C) If tuition tax credits are granted, the tax burden on parents who choose public schools will rise to an intolerable level.
(D) The law does not say that parents must send their children to private schools, only that the children must attend some kind of school, whether public or private.
这个选项很有迷惑性,但是“法律没有说……”和A选项相比,A选项指出了通过R采用的推理“法律规定……”来推出G推理的合理性,从而和R认为G不合理相违背,从而削弱R的观点(使用R的论据来支持G的观点)(A

(E) Both bottled water and private schools are luxury items, and it is unfair that some citizens should be able to afford them while others cannot.
这和“能不能够”无关





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