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作者: fair_sword    时间: 2004-7-9 00:28
标题: gwd3-34

Q34:


Shoppers in sporting goods stores, unlike in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, not buying a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but they leave with a basketball only.




  • in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, not buying a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but they leave with a basketball only

  • in department stores, shop impulsively very little; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not also buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

  • those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball

  • those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

  • department stores, shop impulsively very little; someone will not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball but will leave with only a basketball

  • I choose c, but the answer of GWD is D, who can tell me why C is not better than D.


    thanks very much!


    作者: rt316    时间: 2004-7-9 00:45
    C的问题在于两个do结构之间没有任何连词,表达错误,而且从句意上两个do结构是各自独立的部分,所以用逗号+and或分号比较号;此外,liave with only a basketball中only的修饰对象比较模糊;
    作者: fair_sword    时间: 2004-7-9 08:25

    谢谢stoneren. 呵呵, C是不对的,我觉得主要是意思不对。

    不过C those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball

    Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的。

    2个do , do not,和leave 并列。leave with onley a basketball修饰leave.

    请问but可以这么连接吗? 谢谢


    作者: wanze    时间: 2004-7-9 10:50

    d改变句意了。

    c不是挺好,

    请教大虾


    作者: LES    时间: 2004-7-9 13:38

    偶觉得“Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的。”这个结构是有问题的,因为but到底与哪一个动词是转折关系呢?

    而在"Do1, Do2, AND Do3"结构中很明确是三个动词的并列关系。

    偶觉得and 和but这里的关系就好像“+” 与“-”一样,前者有交换律,而后者有没有。


    作者: xealot    时间: 2004-7-9 17:52

    楼上LES说得没错,我补充一点,如果but,要起到终结前面一系列列举的作用,那么,but后面的结构一定是和前面的一系列来parallel的,这样有逻辑错误:实际上,but后面的结构应该是和 do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball 来parallel。

    C更好的形式是去掉but前面的comma然后在do not buy前面加and....

    请大牛指正~


    作者: fair_sword    时间: 2004-7-16 07:29

    我还是觉得,偶觉得“Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的

    C,不好,关键就在于logic error,能不能请gigi答答


    作者: luoffice    时间: 2004-7-16 07:57
    do very little ... shopping和 do not buy 后者是对前者的说明,在逻辑上无法并列,C里逗号改破折号就对了
    作者: tony6    时间: 2004-8-19 17:02
    以下是引用fair_sword在2004-7-16 7:29:00的发言:

    我还是觉得,偶觉得“Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的


    彻底绕晕,绕口令


    8过呢,偶觉得,Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 从词性上说应该是可以的。8过好象没见过有这样用的,还。


    另外,D中的and 和as well并用,不wordy吗?
    [此贴子已经被作者于2004-8-19 17:10:37编辑过]

    作者: dinofu    时间: 2004-8-23 06:05

    我开始也选了C, 但现在发现C的主要问题在于

    do very little impulse shopping是描述一个现象, 而do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball 是针对这个现象打一个比方, 所以两者不可以并列.


    作者: Andrea625    时间: 2004-9-24 15:23

    C, those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball



    在题目讲的买东西时候,举例子一般符合实际的情况是单数主语如何如何。C中主语还是多数they,但是宾语就成了单数。这样举例是矛盾的和不清楚的。


    作者: bryan0806    时间: 2004-9-27 07:28
    以下是引用fair_sword在2004-7-9 0:28:00的发言:

    Q34:


    Shoppers in sporting goods stores, unlike in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, not buying a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but they leave with a basketball only.






    1. in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, not buying a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but they leave with a basketball only

    2. in department stores, shop impulsively very little; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not also buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    3. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball

    4. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    5. department stores, shop impulsively very little; someone will not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball but will leave with only a basketball

    I choose c, but the answer of GWD is D, who can tell me why C is not better than D.


    thanks very much!


    想问一下 D中的someone 不会指代不清吗? 前面有两种shoppers 阿?


    作者: 携隐    时间: 2004-9-27 09:54

    本题先排除ABE,C明显改变了原文的意思,原文buying是从属地位,解释什么叫不那么冲动购买,到C居然变成和impulse shopping并列了,而且不买其他东西和只买篮球之间也不存在转折关系不需要用but。D用另一个完整句子很好地解释了前面的内容。

    D里的someone不是代词,不需要指代什么。


    作者: echochen    时间: 2004-11-9 10:14
    请问D中的
    1. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    and 和as well是否重复


    作者: margaret1013    时间: 2004-11-9 11:12
    以下是引用echochen在2004-11-9 10:14:00的发言:
    请问D中的

    1. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    and 和as well是否重复


    我也认为重复,盼解释


    作者: lavaall    时间: 2004-11-17 05:22

    为什么B选项不行? 



    作者: hankunlun    时间: 2004-11-17 18:29
    都分析到这种程度了
    作者: pinkrouge    时间: 2004-12-4 04:13

    and 和as well是否重复  ?

    up


    作者: jackieduan    时间: 2004-12-4 10:24
    以下是引用pinkrouge在2004-12-4 4:13:00的发言:

    and 和as well是否重复  ?


    up



    我感觉应该是不重复的,因为有“not only, but as well”,as well 应是副词, 和“and ”“but”这些连词在一起应该没有问题
    作者: 三脚猫    时间: 2004-12-28 11:59

    i completely support 携隐


    作者: Pudding    时间: 2005-2-27 21:02
    请问D中的
    1. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    and 和as well是否重复

    "as well": in addition to something or someone else

    此處沒有重复, and 的作用是連接兩個名詞, as well是說明除籃球之外沒有再多買a pair of skis and a boomerang, 相當於also...


    作者: jones79    时间: 2005-4-18 22:19
    以下是引用Pudding在2005-2-27 21:02:00的发言:
    >


    "as well": in addition to something or someone else


    此處沒有重复, and 的作用是連接兩個名詞, as well是說明除籃球之外沒有再多買a pair of skis and a boomerang, 相當於also...


    同意布丁的看法, not...as well的用法

    另外,本题的难点在于c中的并列形式是我们最熟悉的形式,而往往忽略了逻辑上的从属关系


    作者: 小女公子    时间: 2005-5-12 21:25
    以下是引用echochen在2004-11-9 10:14:00的发言:
    请问D中的

    1. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    and 和as well是否重复



    偶觉得不重复。 and...as well似乎经常一起用,表示的意思和and不同。china, US market and rival as well。有一点点转折对比的意思。


    不过目前似乎没有看到把这个做考点的。


    作者: 小女公子    时间: 2005-5-12 21:27

    like放在后面比较的时候,要注意前面比较的对象是否有主语和宾语。如果还有宾语的话,like就不知道是比较主语还是宾语了,不太清晰。大全上有一些这样的例子。

    请指教。


    作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-15 03:59

    C里面do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang

    这个and用不用换成or啊???


    作者: ethyl    时间: 2005-5-15 04:01

    Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的。

    这个do不应该省略吗?


    作者: TakeItEasy1    时间: 2005-5-19 14:36
    以下是引用ethyl在2005-5-15 4:01:00的发言:


    这个do不应该省略吗?



    同意
    作者: xinfaxian    时间: 2005-5-30 22:02
    以下是引用ethyl在2005-5-15 4:01:00的发言:


    这个do不应该省略吗?


    牛!看得这么仔细,明天一定高分。


    作者: likui    时间: 2005-7-6 12:43

    对于楼上说的C项中的do的省略,我不同意:前一个do是实义动词,impulse shopping是[即兴购买]的意思,固定词组;后一个do是助动词。


    对于整个题目的解题思路:


    首先看一下改成正确选项后的句子的解释。


    Shoppers in sporting goods stores, unlike those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well.


    不同于在百货公司中的购物者,去体育用品店的购物者很少即兴消费;他来买篮球就只会带走篮球,而不会买回一副滑雪橇、回旋棒(澳大利亚的一种"玩具",呈V字形,可回旋)。


    注意,这道题目还涉及了分号,可以说是一个分号题(作为ETS的考点,正确答案常在分号出现的项中)。


    整个句子两个部分:分号之前的句子阐述的是普遍的抽象现象;分号之后的句子是举例子,起到补充说明的作用。


    对于大多数人,一开始肯定想到了unlike这个考点,unlike后要加those和句首的shoppers对应;那么就只有C和D,再"抽象-具体"(体现层次,更清楚,更逻辑)这个角度,就可以把C排除,C的表意实在太乱了。


    如上,运用"公理",这道题目似乎可以简便的求解:


    第一,分号题,正确答案在B、D、E中选;


    第二,unlike考点,正确答案在C、D中选;


    取两者交集,得正确答案D


    [此贴子已经被作者于2005-7-6 12:48:10编辑过]

    作者: hitler999    时间: 2005-8-7 11:06
    以下是引用likui在2005-7-6 12:43:00的发言:

    对于楼上说的C项中的do的省略,我不同意:前一个do是实义动词,impulse shopping是[即兴购买]的意思,固定词组;后一个do是助动词。

    同意C中的第二个DO不能省略。
    作者: hitler999    时间: 2005-8-7 11:08
    以下是引用携隐在2004-9-27 9:54:00的发言:

    D里的someone不是代词,不需要指代什么。


    someone不是代词吗?


    作者: JessicaCDer    时间: 2005-8-25 11:59

    这道题第一次做对了,第二次做错了...最近总出这种状况


    发现以前做对的题并不是每一个考点都明白了!就要考了,可真是郁闷啊...


    谢谢大家精彩的讨论,好在错了一次,要不就错过了


    作者: 丑得老婆哭    时间: 2005-9-4 21:27

    C:those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball



    大家不觉得这句话有问题么?“当他们带着篮子进来的时候,不买S和B”


    [此贴子已经被作者于2005-9-4 21:27:39编辑过]

    作者: ayang1017    时间: 2005-9-23 16:05

    看了很久这道题,终于找到了说服自己得方法,


    cd区别最关键得是,前半句说整个去体育商店得群体,进行了部分否定,并没有直接not而是little,也就是说虽然很少也会有人冲动购物得,那么在c里前半句话得部分否定得主语,运用到后半句全部否定,就存在逻辑谬误~~


    所以这里找到一个词来代表其后半句所说特例为前半句话中得部分人群是必然得,那么someone则来得有理有据


    作者: violetleaf    时间: 2005-10-7 11:55

    支持D, 后面的分句是对前面句子的说明,意思更连贯.


    作者: julietayue    时间: 2005-10-9 14:47

    C的错误在于they指代不清;到底指的是哪类人


    作者: amy1949    时间: 2005-10-19 22:13

    同意dinofu观点,C的联结太牵强了


    作者: josan    时间: 2005-11-1 14:56

    vote for D. do very little impulse shopping do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball 不是并列关系,后者是前者的具体例子。D明确地表达了这层关系。C却混淆了。



    作者: 999DSCD    时间: 2005-11-15 14:59

    D. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well


    请问:not buy不加will,可以这样用吗?


    作者: advantage    时间: 2005-11-22 10:49
    以下是引用LES在2004-7-9 13:38:00的发言:

    偶觉得“Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的。”这个结构是有问题的,因为but到底与哪一个动词是转折关系呢?


    而在"Do1, Do2, AND Do3"结构中很明确是三个动词的并列关系。


    偶觉得and 和but这里的关系就好像“+” 与“-”一样,前者有交换律,而后者有没有。



    明白了~
    作者: amy9301    时间: 2005-11-30 22:01

    Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave,


    第一个DO是实意动词,第二个是助词,如并列也不用加DO呀,第二个是助词多余


    请NN指点


    作者: steveyangxt    时间: 2005-12-10 15:17
    不行的c   they ....for a baskatball  not .for a pair of    .他们来都是为了一个足球,;逻辑不合理
    作者: gre200011    时间: 2006-1-9 08:31

    LYM的书说的很清楚, ONLY的位置(公理)不能变,这是我解释(C)不对的原因. 


    当然,DO, DO 的结构也不太好.


    选D.


    作者: debbiejada    时间: 2006-1-31 01:05
    以下是引用dinofu在2004-8-23 6:05:00的发言:

    我开始也选了C, 但现在发现C的主要问题在于


    do very little impulse shopping是描述一个现象, 而do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball 是针对这个现象打一个比方, 所以两者不可以并列.



    正点


    作者: eaststar    时间: 2006-2-26 12:56

    如果D是正确答案的话,在someone之前应该是分号而不应该是逗号。请继续讨论!


    作者: PEileen    时间: 2006-4-20 12:28

    感谢29楼likui


    让我思路清晰很多


    只是有个疑问:分号题的优先权有那么高吗?不论什么类型,是不是只要看到分号就保留呢?这个有权威性吗


    作者: catcenter    时间: 2006-5-3 18:46

    我觉得不用太迷信分号的


    反正记得以前做到一题,正确选项是没有分号的


    作者: CarrieLee789    时间: 2006-9-7 00:10
    以下是引用fair_sword在2004-7-9 8:25:00的发言:

    谢谢stoneren. 呵呵, C是不对的,我觉得主要是意思不对。

    不过C those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball

    Shoppers ..,like.., do very..., do not.., but leave, 我觉得是可以的。

    2个do , do not,和leave 并列。leave with onley a basketball修饰leave.

    请问but可以这么连接吗? 谢谢

    C當中,第一個do是動詞,第二個do是助動詞,

    do very little shopping, do not buy a pair....動詞是buy不是do,所以不平衡。


    作者: MaccMichAA    时间: 2006-10-18 20:21

    ...


    作者: everann    时间: 2006-11-26 20:21

    总结一下C的罪恶在于结构混乱,并且把总括的观点与举例混淆并列在一起。

    但是回过来看D也觉得有问题:

    D. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    如同楼上的大人所说,and和as well疑似wordy。而且,若这里的a pair of skis和a boomerang表示并列的话,中间应该用or来连接,不是吗?

    困惑乐。


    [此贴子已经被作者于2006-11-26 20:34:21编辑过]

    作者: bigmachine    时间: 2007-5-8 21:25
    not 应该和or 连用阿,为什么是and 呢?如果不是并联宾语   而是并列举句的话,可以理解为同时省略了 and ( not buy ) a boomerang  as well .吗?
    作者: 罗马青年    时间: 2007-6-4 02:27
    SC要注意句子逻辑含义,很好的一道题目!
    作者: kimwu    时间: 2007-6-27 21:08

    我把大家上面的讨论稍微总结了一下,

    先用unlike这个考点,unlike后要加those和句首的shoppers对应;那么就只有CD

    C的主要问题在于do very little impulse shopping是描述一个现象, do not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang when they come in for a basketball, but leave with only a basketball 是针对这个现象打一个比方, 所以两者不可以并列.。而且,“Shoppers ..like.., do very..., do not.., but leave”这个结构是有问题的,因为but到底与哪一个动词是转折关系呢?而在"Do1, Do2, AND Do3"结构中很明确是三个动词的并列关系。偶觉得and but这里的关系就好像“+” 一样,前者有交换律,而后者有没有。

    Das welland 并没有重复,and的作用是连接两个名词,as well是说明除篮球之外没有再多买
            
    a pair of skis and a boomerang,相当于also整个句子两个部分:分号之前的句子阐述的是普遍现象,分后之后的句子是举例子起到补充说明的作用。

    现在还有一个疑问,就是not后面为什么接and?or更加合理一些


    作者: gan4sula    时间: 2007-9-5 09:49
    以下是引用携隐在2004-9-27 9:54:00的发言:

    本题先排除ABE,C明显改变了原文的意思,原文buying是从属地位,解释什么叫不那么冲动购买,到C居然变成和impulse shopping并列了,而且不买其他东西和只买篮球之间也不存在转折关系不需要用but。D用另一个完整句子很好地解释了前面的内容。

    D里的someone不是代词,不需要指代什么。

    sorry, could someone please explain "原文buying是从属地位,解释什么叫不那么冲动购买,到C居然变成和impulse shopping并列"


    作者: sch    时间: 2007-9-26 06:53
    我觉得D中用and或者or都说得通.
    用and时候,就是把 skis和basketball当作一个整体,一次性but(否定)掉.

    用or就是 ski和basketball并列分别否定2次.

    例如:

    我不吃 羊肉或牛肉.
    ----羊肉牛肉任何一个我都不吃.强调牛羊之间的独立性

    我不吃 羊肉和牛肉
    ----我不吃羊肉也不吃牛肉.强调"我不吃"的范围

    作者: sch    时间: 2007-9-26 06:56
    接上面

    我不吃 羊肉和牛肉

    ----强调"我不吃",重心在"我不吃".至于不吃什么,不是重点,所以羊肉和牛肉并在一起当作整体被否定.

    作者: tangzimo    时间: 2007-10-20 12:51

    不是一道好题。但还是可以勉强选出D……勉强地


    作者: hopelanxyn    时间: 2007-10-21 02:26

    不觉得D有多好,其实按理C的结构比D更好,只是D中的三个动词应是并列关系,不是转折关系,所以相对来说D似乎没有什摸很明显的错误

    总是觉得GWD中的改错题很奇怪,跟OG的差别太大了,基本上所有的正确选项都有让人不满意的地方,似乎跟OG上的简洁.明了,有效性等差远了

    估计是ETS变阴险了


    作者: xtr    时间: 2007-11-7 01:40
    问一个问题:Shoppers in sporting goods stores, unlike 
    1. those in department stores, do very little impulse shopping; someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well

    其中'those'一定要补出吗? 如果直接时unlike in department stores 为什么不可以呢? 似乎也不会引起歧义呀,因为是unlike in department stores 而不是unlike department stores

    请哪位帮忙解释一下. 谢谢.


    作者: qwedcxzas    时间: 2007-11-26 08:27

    因为unlike是介词,不能够在加介词词组in the department stores

    如果真要比较地点的话,rather than应该会比较好吧

    有错请指正


    作者: snowofjune    时间: 2007-12-23 10:39
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    作者: ishousi    时间: 2008-2-23 22:23

    答案是D.见出处nytimes

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E1D81F3CF931A25755C0A961958260

    题目仅仅是替换了一些名词而已。

    Further, retail analysts say that sporting-goods shoppers, unlike those in department stores, do very little shopping around -- someone who comes in for soccer cleats leaves with soccer cleats alone, not impulsively buying a bike and a pair of skis as well

    我们可以注意下alone和only的用法。老美如果说“只买两个苹果”,肯定是Buy 2 apples only 而不是only buy 2 apples


    作者: sandywood    时间: 2008-6-9 08:35

    首先shoppers...,unlike those in ...

    其次,C中句子里do very little...和do not buy...中间没有连词

    D呢,;
                    
    someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and (will)not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well. 所以选D


    作者: icelion    时间: 2008-10-9 21:51

    这个提出的有问题。

    nytimes原文用的是 not buying...

    丫改成 and not buy..

    一字之差,巨awkward.

    但是someone论个体行为是有道理的

    this is the only takw away.

    done


    作者: watergood    时间: 2009-6-15 16:59

    有一个问题:someone who comes in for a basketball will leave with a basketball only and not buy a pair of skis and a boomerang as well。这里为什么要用将来时,是因为要和之前的comes对比,表示一种发生次序吗?谢谢


    作者: minititan    时间: 2009-7-7 10:31
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    作者: leeyuan1    时间: 2009-10-20 15:27
    13楼携隐的解释很清楚,推荐去看下
    作者: kante    时间: 2011-10-24 17:38
    怎么那么多贴都没人来解释这里有not为什么是and不是or?
    都不是很清楚吗




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