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作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-20 14:44
标题: OG12 137 平行问题（已解决）
Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again.

(A) often goes into decline after death, and never regains popularity again
(B) whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again
(C) but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status
(D) who declines in reputation after death and who never regained popularity again
(E) then has declined in reputation after death and never regained popularity

对于正确选项C，OG给的解释是：This sentense presents the proper logic while maintaining parallel structure ans consistent verb tense.

也就是说句子主体是JR and GM are composer who..., but whose.... OG认为这两个从句是平行的。

可是曼哈顿第四章却讲到，Parallel clauses should start with the same word.
Wrong: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND THAT has low taxes.
Right: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND WHERE the taxes are low.

而且那个著名的培训机构也说，从句并列，连接词要是一样的才可以。。

Wait A minute, B选项的解释还有这么一句话:
The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing.
莫非，是因为Q137中那两个从句不是说一件事，故平行不用保证相同的连接词？还是什么？

不知道啊~！不知道！求帮助~~

作者: 无敌可爱多 时间: 2011-7-20 14:49
像C这种选项，那个whose可以看做是省略掉的，当然补上也是对的。

而你举例子的那个，where去掉以后会有歧义。

原因就是，C选项中and之后的动词短语没有主语，而曼哈顿那个where 之后是一个完整的主谓结构，可以理解为和i want平行。

作者: 无敌可爱多 时间: 2011-7-20 14:51
另外，平行的时候要结构平行，而不是说主语都要一致。who和whose都是代词，指代同一个人以及这个人的所有格，没有不平行的疑点。

比如 i like pepsi but he likes cocacola, 这么说是没有错误的。

作者: 无敌可爱多 时间: 2011-7-20 14:54
The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing.

个人认为这个解释说的是whose和之前没划线的部分。因为根据原句未划线部分推理， composer后面应该是一个并列结构的list,用来修饰composer。也就是XDF说的逗号逗号and结构的平行。

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-20 15:33

The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing.

个人认为这个解释说的是whose和之前没划线的部分。因为根据原句未划线部分推理， composer后面应该是一个并列结构的list,用来修饰composer。也就是XDF说的逗号逗号and结构的平行。

-- by 会员无敌可爱多 (2011/7/20 14:54:30)

总是可爱多姐姐在帮我~哇哈哈。。在这么下去，你没帮一次我，我就去买一个可爱多吃好了。。。哈哈哈哈

我理解你1楼的意思，可是我不是那个问题啦~还米有那么笨~哈。我的意思就是composer who..., but whose ...这个结构和那个例子中place where... ，and where...这两个结构。
而且还有许多关于evidence的题目，都是evidence suggest that..., and that...这类要保证连接词一致。

我感觉，之所以会造成composer who..., but whose...这种结构就是因为B选项所说：These two caluses do not talk about the same thing. 而你像where还有that那个例子，都是在修饰先行词，并描述同一事物，从而要求连接词一致的。

我还需要例子来佐证这个说法到底对不对，目前这个想法是我猜的。。。

不过，谢谢可爱多姐姐！~继续讨论讨论这堆破问题！

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-20 18:28
up啊！

作者: 无敌可爱多 时间: 2011-7-20 18:56
我还是看不太明白你的问题

你是觉得but有问题？还是whose有问题？还是都有问题？是要求平行严格一致？

我正在抵制联合利华呢~别买可爱多了，哈哈

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-20 21:07

我还是看不太明白你的问题

你是觉得but有问题？还是whose有问题？还是都有问题？是要求平行严格一致？

我正在抵制联合利华呢~别买可爱多了，哈哈

-- by 会员无敌可爱多 (2011/7/20 18:56:57)

为什么抵制啊~
我组织组织语言……恩。。
且看我刚刚从曼哈顿上摘抄到的一句话：Only clauses starting with the same word should be made parallel.
E.g：A mastodon carcass, which has been thawed only once, AND which is still fresh, is on display.

那这里C选项就是Joachim Raff and Giacomo Meyerbeer are examples of the kind of composer who receives popular acclaim while living, but whose reputation declines after death and never regains its former status.

我就觉得那个who和whose不是same word不能平行啊。。

作者: 无敌可爱多 时间: 2011-7-20 21:30

我还是看不太明白你的问题

你是觉得but有问题？还是whose有问题？还是都有问题？是要求平行严格一致？

我正在抵制联合利华呢~别买可爱多了，哈哈

-- by 会员无敌可爱多 (2011/7/20 18:56:57)

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2011/7/20 21:07:31)

这个呀，我上面说了的呀，这个指代的都是那个人，不过一个是主格，一个是所有格，但都是他

比如 he ate pizza, and his drink was pepsi.

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-21 09:34

我还是看不太明白你的问题

你是觉得but有问题？还是whose有问题？还是都有问题？是要求平行严格一致？

我正在抵制联合利华呢~别买可爱多了，哈哈

-- by 会员无敌可爱多 (2011/7/20 18:56:57)

-- by 会员 superbat28 (2011/7/20 21:07:31)

这个呀，我上面说了的呀，这个指代的都是那个人，不过一个是主格，一个是所有格，但都是他

比如 he ate pizza, and his drink was pepsi.

-- by 会员无敌可爱多 (2011/7/20 21:30:44)

我对这个例子保留态度~我觉得就应该说成he ate pizza, and he drank pepsi. 恩。。

作者: ab0 时间: 2011-7-23 00:22
you need "but" in c), because "regains...status" in b) can refer to kind of composer/reputation

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-23 08:05

you need "but" in c), because "regains...status" in b) can refer to kind of composer/reputation

-- by 会员 ab0 (2011/7/23 0:22:46)

Could you explain in more details? I'm not sure whether I fully understand what you mean... Sorry...

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2011-7-23 15:19
平行本质上讲究的是功能，而不是形式。whose和who引导的都是主语性从句，所以可以平行。
manhattan虽然权威，但即便是OG这样的官方材料也有疏漏的地方，语法的问题还是要从本质来找，比如为何不是同样的词就不能平行，其实词不同是表象，功能不同是本质。

作者: superbat28 时间: 2011-7-23 15:42

平行本质上讲究的是功能，而不是形式。whose和who引导的都是主语性从句，所以可以平行。
manhattan虽然权威，但即便是OG这样的官方材料也有疏漏的地方，语法的问题还是要从本质来找，比如为何不是同样的词就不能平行，其实词不同是表象，功能不同是本质。

-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2011/7/23 15:19:53)

两天接连被版主批评。。恩。。晓得了~也该继续努力了！
我就是对OG解释，manhattan等解释太抠字眼了，没有看本质。
麻烦版主了~

作者: cappuccino202 时间: 2011-8-3 22:01
和LZ同样的疑问啊，斑竹一语点破啊~~~~~

作者: innerwarrior 时间: 2011-10-11 14:16
学习了～

作者: babyciao 时间: 2011-11-29 10:58
引用其他帖子里某NN的简洁解释：
with "but", "who" and "whose" are parallel, both refer to "the kind of composer";
without "but", "who" and "whose" can be ambiguous, "whose" maybe also refers to "living"

作者: 米米时代007 时间: 2012-2-7 16:09
求解释A选项为什么不对？描述的仍然是the kind of composer啊？求大牛指点啊~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

作者: lyooo 时间: 2012-2-23 23:39

引用其他帖子里某NN的简洁解释：
with "but", "who" and "whose" are parallel, both refer to "the kind of composer";
without "but", "who" and "whose" can be ambiguous, "whose" maybe also refers to "living"

-- by 会员 babyciao (2011/11/29 10:58:12)

很有道理啊~~~谢谢啦

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-3-2 17:16
按照版主的这个解释，那么就是说曼哈顿中的那个错误的例子实际上应该就是对的了吗？？
Wrong: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND THAT has low taxes.
Right: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND WHERE the taxes are low.
因为在上面这个错误的例子中where和that指代的都是相同的成分，即a place，同时都是定语从句，描述了这个place所持有的特性，唯一的不同就在于引导词不同及在从句中引导词指代成分所处的成分不同，一个是状语一个是主语。
如果这个例子是正确的话那么我们是不是就可以理解为只要两个从句的属性一样，即使引导词不同也可以平行。
如果我理解不对，上面的例子仍然是错误的话麻烦版主指正是因为什么原因错误的。
谢谢啦！

-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2011/7/23 15:19:53)

作者: 浅吟天 时间: 2012-3-12 17:38
同问啊。。。。难道是斑竹所说的“whose和who引导的都是主语性从句，所以可以平行。”而这个不是？不是很懂

作者: 浅吟天 时间: 2012-3-13 20:51
UP下

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-3-13 23:48
up~持续up！

作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-4-6 21:20
up
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作者: zhongshanlh 时间: 2012-4-6 21:20
这个帖子斑斑的：已解决三个字影响力太大了。。。。

作者: ainiAnnie 时间: 2012-4-20 00:47
“who receives popular acclaim…” and “whose reputation declines…”是可以平行的，因为都修饰了 the kind of composer，功能平行。

作者: qiaowin88637 时间: 2012-4-28 18:47
正好看到这道题

The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing.
感觉OG这个解释的意思是：

没有连词的话 whose reputation declines after death and never regains its status again是who receives popular acclaim while living从句的从句

也就是说whose修饰最近的名词acclaim，所以OG说not describe the same thing

个人见解，求拍砖。。

作者: 807766468 时间: 2012-6-17 20:15
up 同样想问这个问题两个从句都是主语性的就可平行，一个是状语性一个是主语性就不能平行对吗？

作者: zwhjzwhj 时间: 2012-7-23 19:38
这道题的疑问并没有解决啊，至少我看了没懂。
bat就明白啦。。。悟性真高啊。

怎么就解释了呢？

我的问题是：
1，C的句子结果太怪异了。刚开始应该是主谓宾吧，那么逗号后面该接从句了吧。却来个，but whose
这什么结构啊？？哪有逗号+but+定语从句引导词的呢？？实在无法理解啊。

2，B的解释。OG说The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction,
如果想要who和whose两个定语从句平行，那么+逗号+but就行了？？

3，but连接为什么前面要有逗号？
如果but连接两个并列的定语从句，who 和whose引导的两个定语从句，那样的话是不应该出现逗号的吧。

作者: ARG 时间: 2013-6-9 21:09
搜了不少帖子，Bat这贴是最灵的，膜拜了

作者: soulwangh 时间: 2013-8-23 10:06

zhongshanlh 发表于 2012-3-2 17:16
按照版主的这个解释，那么就是说曼哈顿中的那个错误的例子实际上应该就是对的了吗？？Wrong: I want to ret ...

所以说这个帖子没有解决问题。
Manhattan在第五版避开了这个点。
用的例句如下,而且说明的语法点并不是从句引导词必须一致，而是定语从句的引导词（关系代词或关系副词）都要有。
Wrong: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND I pay low taxes.
Right: I want to retire to a place WHERE I can relax AND WHERE I pay low taxes.

之后Manhattan也说引导词（subordinators）不一定要一致（identical），然后给出例句：
Right: There are many people who speak english but whose parents do not.

作者: Stella-Estela 时间: 2013-9-28 11:52
同问啊
C选项比B选项多了一个but，
B的解释是“The two clauses are not parallel, lack a coordinating conjunction, and do not describe the same thing”
C却是“presents the proper logic while maintaining parallel structure and consistent verb tense”
多了个but就能平行了吗

作者: cdbgin009 时间: 2013-12-21 03:09
but前后是两个定语从句的平行，who和whose都指代都一个先行词，为什么不行呢？

作者: MarjorieQ 时间: 2014-1-23 18:15
话说没人好奇为什么后面的and没有连接complete sentence吗？没有主语啊。。。和前面的两个句子是什么关系啊

作者: MarjorieQ 时间: 2014-1-23 18:19
因为不知道 never regains its former status的主语是 reputation还是composer，话说名誉恢复到之前的情况。。。。。

作者: zxzxy1988 时间: 2014-2-5 16:41

MarjorieQ 发表于 2014-1-23 18:15
话说没人好奇为什么后面的and没有连接complete sentence吗？没有主语啊。。。和前面的两个句子是什么关系啊 ...

ron的一个回复可能能帮助到你：
Q;Hi, I understand the parallelism concept in this exercise, but what I find confusing is the use of "but" after the comma because this usage suggests that we should look for a complete clause rather than a modifier.

A:this “rule” is not really a rule. it's an approximate guideline in most cases, but it's definitely not a strict rule.
often, the comma will be omitted when there are two complete clauses -- if those clauses are short enough to render the comma unnecessary.
also -- again quite often -- a comma will be included even if the structures are not complete clauses, especially if the structures are long enough to make the sentence essentially unreadable without the comma.
for instance:
i shut the windows and locked the doors --> this sentence doesn't need any additional punctuation.
i shut the windows so firmly that i would later have trouble opening them, and locked the doors using both the standard locks and the deadbolts --> these are not complete clauses, but the sentence is still written with the comma, because it's absolutely unreadable without the comma (try it yourself).

MOST IMPORTANTLY
PUNCTUATION IS NOT TESTED ON THIS EXAM!
don't bother with “rules” based on punctuation, because (a) gmac doesn't test them, and, more importantly, (b) the vast majority of them will not be hard rules.
the only time you'll want to mind punctuation at all is when it actually differentiates different structures: for instance, “no comma + -ing” is very different from “comma + -ing”.
but, those kinds of things aren't really punctuation issues -- they are issues concerning the resulting structures. for instance, the example i just mentioned would be a modifier issue, not really a punctuation issue.

作者: Hendy 时间: 2015-1-3 07:39
凑凑热闹，OG刷完了，还有几个题哈哈

作者: 晓嘉听话 时间: 2015-9-30 03:06
我觉得是不是还是要根据句子的意思呢，who receives popular acclaim 与reputation declines明显就是两个opposite的状况，所以就but表示转折意思会更清楚吧。

作者: 晓嘉听话 时间: 2015-9-30 03:12

无敌可爱多发表于 2011-7-20 21:30
我还是看不太明白你的问题你是觉得but有问题？还是whose有问题？还是都有问题？是要求平行严格一致？ ...

我觉得你的解释是对的，就是关于“指代的都是同一个人，但是只是一个主格，一个所有格”，但是好像这个披萨可乐例子怪怪的，，难怪bat有点保留意见。

作者: heathrine 时间: 2019-6-3 11:15

soulwangh 发表于 2013-8-23 10:06
所以说这个帖子没有解决问题。
Manhattan在第五版避开了这个点。
用的例句如下,而且说明的语法点并不是从 ...

Mark一下！

作者: serianlon 时间: 2019-6-4 13:59
看一下！

作者: 生活还是要继续 时间: 2021-1-14 17:20
我i对这个句子的疑问是but后面的句子C选项中的never regains its former status的引导词是whose啊，难道不应该是who吗？

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