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作者: Zacky    时间: 2011-6-21 23:11
标题: Except VS Except for (它们有区别吗?)
第一次发帖,请多指教。

在og上看到毛里求斯是英国殖民地那一题。og说,excepting for is non-idiomatic


我想问一下,except for 是真的不正确的习惯用法么?
e.g. except for newscasts, I hardly watch any television at all. (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary)


如果只是因为使用场合不同,那么我们要怎么区分呢?


谢谢大家。
作者: puccan    时间: 2011-6-22 02:23
Hey i found this online from a GMAT instructor. I Hope that this is going to help you.


in the context of the gmat, i would generally choose plain old except, because it's more concise. i'm not sure i've ever seen a formal pronouncement on the issue, though.

there are some instances in which except must be followed by some preposition, in order to properly introduce some clause - but even in most of those cases, there's a better preposition than for. here's one example:

not as good: he was the perfect employee in every way except for that he always showed up late.
better: he was the perfect employee in every way except in that he always showed up late.
作者: Zacky    时间: 2011-6-22 19:42
Thank you so much.

so, we shall stick to Except rather than Except for on GMAT.
作者: yvonnexie125    时间: 2012-3-12 02:42
The example is helpful!!
作者: paradisezxh    时间: 2012-5-21 19:04
except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物;
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中,一般不区别except 和except for,两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别:

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如:
everyone helped,not excepting him。
all  were there,not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911,Scott Joplin's ragtime opera"Treemonisha"was not produced until 1972,sixty-one years after its completion.
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.(A)
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先,句子中需要一个转折,因此用BUT,
其次,C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配
作者: 果果henan    时间: 2013-1-17 00:16
except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物;
except 后面的名词则是同类事物

然而在GMAT中,一般不区别except 和except for,两者可以等同。

except 的考点应该只是except 和excepting的区别:

excepting在GMAT 中只能用于否定句之后。

例如:
everyone helped,not excepting him。
all  were there,not excepting them.
everyone, not excepting myself, must share the blame.

OG 12 V-18
18.Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911,Scott Joplin's ragtime opera"Treemonisha"was not produced until 1972,sixty-one years after its completion.
(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged
(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it
(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself
(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged.(A)
(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

2. GWD17-Q12:
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, excepting for the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.

A excepting for
B except in
C but except in
D but excepting for
E with the exception of(C)

首先,句子中需要一个转折,因此用BUT,
其次,C D中的except in 的后面的domain 搭配
-- by 会员 paradisezxh (2012/5/21 19:04:49)


多谢啊,懂了
作者: love凤巢    时间: 2013-4-6 12:11
yvonnexie125 发表于 2012-3-12 02:42
The example is helpful!!

Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime opera Treemonisha was not produced until 1972, sixty-one years after its completion.

(A) Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged

(B) Except for a concert performance with the composer himself staging it

(C) Besides a concert performance being staged by the composer himself

(D) Excepting a concert performance that the composer himself staged(A)

(E) With the exception of a concert performance with the staging done by the composer himself

敢问此题为何选A呢?求指导!
作者: yvonnexie125    时间: 2013-4-6 15:52
love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 12:11
Except for a concert performance that the composer himself staged in 1911, Scott Joplin’s ragtime ...

你选的是哪一个呢?
作者: love凤巢    时间: 2013-4-6 16:38
yvonnexie125 发表于 2013-4-6 15:52
你选的是哪一个呢?

这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下:
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的,所以和原句不符。
Dexcepting 只能跟在否定句后面
E.with the exception of 不符合表达习惯。
我想问的就是:
OG说 excepting for is non-idiomatic, 但是except for 还是可以的吧?
至于except 和except for 的区别大不大, 比如这道题中A选项中的except for 变成except 是否可以,或者说哪个更好呢?求指教!谢谢!
作者: yvonnexie125    时间: 2013-4-6 23:57
love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-6 16:38
这道题目我选的是A. 理由如下:
B选项中最后的it是多余的
C选项的besides是包括的,所以和原句不符。

except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物;
except后面是同类事物

我觉得根据上面的原则的话,except for更合适
作者: love凤巢    时间: 2013-4-7 11:05
yvonnexie125 发表于 2013-4-6 23:57
except 和 except for 的区别
在于
except for 后面的名词和主句的主语不是同类事物;

Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, but except in the domains of administration and teaching, the English language was never really spoken on the island.
你说except后面跟的是同类事物,是指except后面的名词和主句的主语是同类事物吗?还是和哪个成分是同类事物?比如这个例子里,except 后面是 in the domain 吧, 那应该和 on the islande 是同类事物,不是和主语吧,所以我对except后面跟同类事物这句话不是很理解,究竟是“谁和谁"同类呢?你的理解呢?
作者: solde    时间: 2013-6-8 10:33
5楼正解啊!
作者: ciciyo    时间: 2013-8-1 12:04
love凤巢 发表于 2013-4-7 11:05
Mauritius was a British colony for almost 200 years, but except in the domains of administration a ...

”比如这个例子里,except 后面是 in the domain 吧, 那应该和 on the islande 是同类事物,不是和主语吧,“

我觉得这个in the domain不是和on he island同类的,这句话的意思是说: M是a British colony,但people didn't speak English in any domains except in that("the domains" can be understood) of administration and teaching,所以排除的是在人们在生活中不说英语的domains, 即administration and teaching这两个方面,而这两方面都包含在众多domains里面~~

不知道这样说对不对哈~~

同时我也想问有没有人可以贴出关于比较except和except for的差异性的例句呢~~谢谢~




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