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作者: aaaaaaaa 时间: 2004-6-22 23:49
标题: og198,og200-两道than 补充句子的题目

OG198

这道OG 198，如何还原than后省略的句子？？虽然答案说了为什么不选ABCD的理由，可是最有问题的就是E如何将than后面省略的句型补出。

. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than they had in their previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

(E)for any previous campaign

OG200的E虽然是错误的，than 的比较级前后对比正确吗？？记得好像说过those 必须加of 修饰，但是这里没有of 好像也正确

The finding of much larger populations of pesticide-degrading microbes in soils with a relatively long history of pesticide use than in those that are free of such chemicals suggests one reason certain pesticides can become ineffective if used repeatedly in the same place.

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-6-23 01:50

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

those of是所有格关系，这里的those that是定语修饰

作者: aaaaaaaa 时间: 2004-6-23 19:18
感谢NN

作者: 我爱欧洲 时间: 2005-5-30 18:13

以下是引用rt316在2004-6-23 1:50:00的发言：

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

those of是所有格关系，这里的those that是定语修饰

不同意。省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain…………

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

作者: actu 时间: 2005-5-31 16:34

我愛歐洲：

省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain…………

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

我比較不同意，因為，這題是supplies和supplies的比較，所以，rt316說得對，還原後變成：

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

最多你可以說，......more supplies than supplies (that it had gathered) for...

這是省略的情形和og132(students), 187(Americans), 200(populations)的情形較為相似，亦即，名詞在泛稱的情況下可以省略，不會造成誤解。可以再研究、討論！

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作者: ring_cheng 时间: 2005-5-31 17:54

省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain…………

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

有一些不同意见，请继续讨论：

我认为这里的it had had for ...应该是承前省略，省略的动词部分应该与前面的谓语动词一致，即 it had had entered Russia。可是这里要表达的意思是以前的supply与这次的supply之间的比较，补出had had反而好像不能清楚地表达比较对象吧（比较的对象是状语中的主体词而不是主语）？

作者: actu 时间: 2005-5-31 18:36
同意ring_cheng

作者: 我爱欧洲 时间: 2005-6-8 23:29
198OG是这样说的啊，从句中要用过去完成时（the verb of that clause will need to be in the past perfect form）所以had entered 省略为had had.

作者: lindazhou 时间: 2005-6-22 17:18

B 是怎么排除的？

作者: brissa 时间: 2005-9-22 11:36

以下是引用ring_cheng在2005-5-31 17:54:00的发言：

省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain????lt;/STRONG>

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

有一些不同意见，请继续讨论：

我认为这里的it had had for ...应该是承前省略，省略的动词部分应该与前面的谓语动词一致，即 it had had entered Russia。可是这里要表达的意思是以前的supply与这次的supply之间的比较，补出had had反而好像不能清楚地表达比较对象吧（比较的对象是状语中的主体词而不是主语）？

黄线部分的叫什么时态啊？只听说有had entered或had been entered, 哪有had had entered的呀，是我晕了吗？

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作者: brissa 时间: 2005-9-22 11:40

以下是引用我爱欧洲在2005-6-8 23:29:00的发言：
198OG是这样说的啊，从句中要用过去完成时（the verb of that clause will need to be in the past perfect form）所以had entered 省略为had had.

had entered省略表示为一个had就好了，干嘛要had had?

had had应该是have（有）的过去完成时吧？

请后来人确认一下。

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作者: elaine3683 时间: 2005-10-6 14:47
应该是had had,因为这里是过去完成时，如果只用一个had就成了过去时了。

作者: brissa 时间: 2006-1-11 23:21

只有一个had为什么不能是had entered的省略呢

另外我还是不明白had had为什么就是had entered的省略呢，OG中是这么说的 Furthermore, the
verb of that clause will need to be in the past perfect form (had had) because it refers to a time before the
simple past of entered.

这个had had明明是have 的过去完成时，还记得吗，中学就学过的have的四种时态：have, had,have had, had had

而要表明had entered的省略应该是had done才对啊。enter的四种时态：enter, entered, have entered, had entered

纵上所述，我就是想不明白为什么大家全体一致的都忽略了这个问题

作者: brissa 时间: 2006-1-11 23:28

以下是引用elaine3683在2005-10-6 14:47:00的发言：
应该是had had,因为这里是过去完成时，如果只用一个had就成了过去时了。

只用一个had怎么就是过去式呢？过去式是did啊。

had是have的过去式啊？

作者: tdyg 时间: 2006-1-25 21:18

我认为的省略形式如下：

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) (it had had) for previous campaigns, it had provisions for only twenty-four days

作者: kingler 时间: 2006-1-28 09:07

我愛歐洲：

省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain…………

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

rt316說得，還原後變成：

Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

同意“我愛歐洲”，不同意“rt316”。

比较的是“supplies”的多少，但不能因此就补出。

看两个例子：

OG－89，正确答案的一部分“there is now one microcomputer for every thirty-two pupils, four times as many as there were four years ago.”

OG－200，正确答案的一部分“there are much larger populations of pesticide-degrading microbes in soils with a relatively long history of pesticide use than in soils that are free of such chemicals.“

一位战友说了"要补也不是补that those而是补there are。如果是populations in soils are more than those in ～～，这个时候才补those"

所以同意“我愛歐洲”，Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had （supplies）for any previous campain…………

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作者: kingler 时间: 2006-1-28 09:37

以下是引用我爱欧洲在2005-5-30 18:13:00的发言：

省略部分我觉得是Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than it had had for any previous campain…………

由此引出，既然时态不同为什么可以省略呢？

我找OG中很多“比较时间”的题, 很少看到有补充的成分。（我只列了正确的部分）

28. economic growth will proceed at a more moderate pace than in the first quarter of this year.

251. The gyrfalcon, an Arctic bird of prey, has survived a close brush with extinction; its numbers are now five times greater than when the use of DDT was sharply restricted in the early 1970's. .

98．the world's capital markets are more closely integrated than ever before

112. Domestic automobile manufacturers have invested millions of dollars in research to develop cars even more gasoline-efficient than those at present on the road

补充those是因为是不同东东在不同时间的比较

198. Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than for any previous campaign， it had provisions for only twenty-four days.

30． No less remarkable than the development of the compact disc has been the use of the new technology to revitalize, in better sound than was ever before possible。

“was”可以去掉吗？参见下例。

253. Analysts blamed May's sluggish retail sales on unexciting merchandise as well as the weather, which was colder and wetter than usual in some regions, slowingsales of barbecue grills and lawn furniture.

(A) colder and wetter than was usual in some regions, which slowed

ETS指出：In A, the insertion of was is unnecessary

作者: liweiseed 时间: 2006-2-18 21:12
3O 的 IN BETTER SOUND THAN WAS ,WAS 不可省略,它与253的比较部分不一样!所以一个能省一个不能省!

作者: toeflboy2005 时间: 2006-2-28 06:18

OG中说DE 省略了全部从句,说明这里本来省略了一个从句,6楼好象更合理

作者: amy7777 时间: 2006-10-5 05:54

以下是引用liweiseed在2006-2-18 21:12:00的发言：
3O 的 IN BETTER SOUND THAN WAS ,WAS 不可省略,它与253的比较部分不一样!所以一个能省一个不能省!

30． No less remarkable than the development of the compact disc has been the use of the new technology to revitalize, in better sound than
was ever before possible。

“was”可以去掉吗？参见下例。

253. Analysts blamed May's sluggish retail sales on unexciting merchandise as well as the weather, which was colder and wetter than usual in some regions, slowing

sales of barbecue grills and lawn furniture.

(A) colder and wetter than was usual in some regions, which slowed
ETS指出：In A, the insertion of was is unnecessary
本来这两题我都会做的，结果看到这两题放在一起我就糊涂了，为什么30题不能去掉was，而253题的was多余呢，这种语法现象的原因何在呢？？谢谢。

作者: amy7777 时间: 2006-10-5 06:14

携隐版主，能否解释一下ＯＧ199中，这题好像符合你的条件，但是没有省略will. 题目如下：

Because the Earth's crust is more solid there and thus better able to transmit shock waves, an earthquake of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West.
(A) of a given magnitude typically devastates an area 100 times greater in the eastern United States than it does in the West
(B) of a given magnitude will typically devastate 100 times the area if it occurs in the eastern United States instead of the West
(C) will typically devastate 100 times the area in the eastern United States than one of comparable magnitude occurring in the West

(D) in the eastern United States
will
typically devastate an area 100 times greater than will a quake of comparable magnitude occurring in the West(D)
(E) that occurs in the eastern United States will typically devastate 100 times more area than if it occurred with comparable magnitude in the West

又在别的贴子里看到一题，这一题我是明白的，主句使用助动词will，从句助动词与主句一致，从句省略动词只保留助动词。

又看了一下上面的题目，

than usual是比较时间状语，than was ever before也是比较时间状语，唉，还是没想通。

等NN解答。

作者: carolhide 时间: 2006-10-5 16:28
助动词是否补出，在于会不会引起歧义，如果句子不可能产生歧义，根据简洁原则最好省略，如果会引起歧义就必须留着不能省。这个是宗旨，抱歉没有时间根据题目具体分析，MM应该能理解吧。

作者: amy7777 时间: 2006-10-6 13:10

carolhide斑斑，谢谢你。

我现在你说的这个理论我是会的，但是就是这两道题放在一起的时候我分不清楚了，还是希望有能帮分析一下这两道题，因为这两题太典型了，而我现在觉得这两题都省略了WAS也没有什么不同啊，我知道我这样想肯定是错的，但是错在哪里我不知道。。。。

请大家再帮我看看吧。。

作者: ana9 时间: 2006-10-21 03:29

30题不能去掉was, because of the different tense.----"has been ..." and "was"

作者: 我爱人民币 时间: 2007-4-26 17:36

继续OG198关于省略的讨论：

ETS的意思是：A选项可以改成 Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had had for its previous campaigns...这里的had had并不是had had entered（怎么可能两次入侵俄国呢），而是指在entered Russia之前的任何一次战役中所拥有的粮草供给（it had had supplies)

E选项则可以还原成Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any its previous campaigns...

我觉得A和E两个选项的省略还原都可以接受，不存在谁对谁错的问题。但E更简介。

作者: syblackopal 时间: 2007-8-12 14:18

完全同意我爱人民币的。

作者: huangyh03 时间: 2007-9-2 02:10
我爱人民币是对的

作者: dormousedzc 时间: 2007-12-5 00:31

XDF说像any这样的强烈语气词,是不能增减的,这里原文中并没有,正确选项中却加上了.晕

作者: cuishang11 时间: 2009-5-7 19:22
我也爱人民币

作者: goldwings 时间: 2010-2-17 17:58

继续OG198关于省略的讨论：
ETS的意思是：A选项可以改成 Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had had for its previous campaigns...这里的had had并不是had had entered（怎么可能两次入侵俄国呢），而是指在entered Russia之前的任何一次战役中所拥有的粮草供给（it had had supplies)
E选项则可以还原成Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) for any its previous campaigns...
我觉得A和E两个选项的省略还原都可以接受，不存在谁对谁错的问题。但E更简介。

-- by 会员我爱人民币 (2007/4/26 17:36:00)

A 选项少了一个had 哦they也不对哦
Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies than (supplies) it had had for its previous campaigns...这里的had had并不是had had entered（怎么可能两次入侵俄国呢），而是指在entered Russia之前的任何一次战役中所拥有的粮草供给（it had had supplies)
赞同这样还原

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