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作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-19 16:39
标题: [求助]GWD1-32

Q32:


To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.




  • have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic

  • have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical

  • would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical

  • would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic

  • would have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economical

  • 答案是E,可我觉得这个比较得补出they do, 因为比较得是知道的多少,为一个动作。另外,这个would的补出有必要吗?谢谢!


    作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-6-19 17:25

    No, the answer ought to be D. It is wrong to dispense with "they do", a ellipsis or a omission which would ruin the comparation. Besides, economic is more suitable for the logical sense of this sentence.


    作者: bon    时间: 2004-6-19 17:29
    同意阿
    作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-19 18:04

    那么说是答案给错了?

    可为什么economic在这里优于economical啊?

    另外,would一定要补出的吗?我觉得不加would挺好啊。


    作者: bon    时间: 2004-6-19 18:48

    would 给不给出,我倒觉得不是关键,

    ETS在有些语法点上很灵活:比如gemj曾提到

    好比说ETS喜欢平行结构,对应的它必然给你来一个形式上不平行的正确选项(太多了,举不胜举)。最恶毒的是这个:
    396. In recent years cattle breeders have increasingly used crossbreeding, in part that their steers should acquire certain characteristics and partly because crossbreeding is said to provide hybrid vigor.
    (A) in part that their steers should acquire certain characteristics
    (B) in part for the acquisition of certain characteristics in their steers
    (C) partly because of their steers acquiring certain characteristics
    (D) partly because certain characteristics should be acquired by their steers(E)
    (E) partly to acquire certain characteristics in their steers
    另外:
    require of sb to do sth
    一会儿是对的,一会儿是错的。
    cost of... to
    也是一会儿是对的,一会儿是错的。
    比较的助动词一会儿省略,一会儿不省。
    考试时,这根弦一定要绷紧啊!要掌握ETS改错的精髓,并灵活运用。

    MM不妨查查economic和economical的意思区别,这里的意思是the social and economic determinants 社会和经济(不是便宜)因素


    作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-19 18:54

    那么这一题的突破点是不是economic和economical,和助动词的补出啊?

    再次感谢bon gg的耐心回答!


    作者: bon    时间: 2004-6-19 19:05

    偶喜欢用排除法

    就是先economic和economical

    再看有没有they do


    作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-6-19 23:30
    I am also confused by this "would", why should this "would" be added?
    作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-20 08:18
    以下是引用tianwan在2004-6-19 23:30:00的发言:
    I am also confused by this "would", why should this "would" be added?

    是啊是啊,有谁能解释解释?


    作者: bon    时间: 2004-6-20 08:33
    这个确实不能理解
    作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-20 22:26
    up,有没有人理解这个would啊?不搞清楚我实在不死心~
    作者: bachordersee    时间: 2004-6-20 22:55
    我觉得这题不用考虑 WOULD ;  这道题首先排除B,C,E(利用 economic 和 economical 的区别), 然后在A D 中根据比较排除 A .
    作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-6-21 08:26
    would出现体现了时间上与now比,要是用will这种比较会显得更明显;这里would我想是虚拟。
    作者: vincent0330    时间: 2004-6-22 00:32
    以下是引用jnlvo在2004-6-21 8:26:00的发言:
    would出现体现了时间上与now比,要是用will这种比较会显得更明显;这里would我想是虚拟。


    agree!!



    Q32:


    To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.







    1. have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic
    2. have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    3. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    4. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic
    5. would have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economical
    这里的would是体现 more accurate , 所以是跟现状相比, 用过去式would表达与现在事实相反
    作者: arundhati    时间: 2004-6-22 07:48
    谢谢以上各位指点哦~
    作者: coolgirl    时间: 2004-6-23 05:07

    没错同一上面的意见,这道题的答案应该是D,虚拟的语气。


    作者: tulipmontreal    时间: 2004-7-3 19:19

    D

    1)助动词补出

    2)economic 是经济相关

    economical是用钱经济,节省

    3)WOULD是虚拟语气,表达与过去的区别


    作者: bachordersee    时间: 2004-7-15 15:43
    以下是引用arundhati在2004-6-20 22:26:00的发言:
    up,有没有人理解这个would啊?不搞清楚我实在不死心~

    看了大家的讨论,觉得自己以前是有些不求甚解。对arundhati 的精神甚是钦佩!关于would 的用法,我昨天请教了一个牛人。他提出了一些见解,这里我贴出来,供大家参考。


    答:这里就是虚拟语态,"would have to know"在极为学究气的文章中可见,例如:



    "We would have to know the contents of the entire universe in order to make such an assertion with certainty."



    http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_nat_omniscience.htm



    "would have to do sth."还是相当常见的。





    根据中国人编写的语法书would + 动词免to不定式时表示动词所代表的意思与现实相反或不符。那么语法学得好的同学自然会认为:would后跟的have to know a great deal...是表示(事实要求)必须知道……,这与现实并无不符,所以他们选a是可以理解的。



    但是这样照搬语法是个很悲哀的错误,有句德国古谚说得好:一切语法规则都有例外,正好用在这里。这里的虚拟语态,不仅仅是would,would和have to组和而成一个完整的would have to,这是一个不可割裂的整体!表示一件应当做但没做的事,表示现在(注意是现在!)应该如何,但事实与之不符(或相反)。我们可以看到这里有明显的背反:原题中有more than now,答题中有更明确的more than they do now,均已构成明显背反,所以选D无疑。但是要注意,由于have to本身就有应该的意思,在上下文中如没有出现明显的背反或明显违背公认的事实及常识的时候,不应使用would have to,用have to既可。






    必须注意,would have to的出现在英语中有些限制,那就是要求本句或紧邻的上下文中如有目前并非如此之类的明确表达或与事实及公认常识明显不符,否则宜用have to而不是would have to。还有在强调必须性时,比如你说法律规定,每个儿童都必须受教育,尽管你知道有很多失学儿童,可这里是强调必须,就还得用have to而不能用would have to。






    问:如果没有more than they do now,你选什么?



    答:如果那样当然是a无疑!



    原题原文中more than now等效答题中的more than they do now。



    以上都是我自已的体会,可以查查薄冰或张道真语法书,没有就到google中查["would have to" "more than now"],我这里薄冰的语法中有情态动词虚拟语态pp. 361,但没查到have to的用法,但套用其它的情态动词不难得出想同答案。





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    作者: bachordersee    时间: 2004-7-16 22:06

    顶一下!


    关于would have to 的用法,也想听听其他大牛的见解。

    大家一起讨论,将ets 弄个水落石出
    作者: 不是风    时间: 2004-7-24 05:10
    以下是引用bachordersee在2004-7-15 15:43:00的发言:


    看了大家的讨论,觉得自己以前是有些不求甚解。对arundhati 的精神甚是钦佩!关于would 的用法,我昨天请教了一个牛人。他提出了一些见解,这里我贴出来,供大家参考。

    这才是真正的传说中的牛人!!!
    作者: sunnyspring    时间: 2004-7-29 16:38
    would have to 是不是过去时的虚拟呀?
    作者: sendme    时间: 2004-9-26 16:29
    great!! big N
    作者: 携隐    时间: 2004-10-3 21:45

    突然想到一个问题,本题比较从句的主语和谓语跟主句都是一样的,那么是否需要省略呢?也就是说没有they do也可以? 还是说如果省略了they do,就不知道到底是they have to know now还是they know now了?


    作者: 流沙    时间: 2004-10-4 19:38

    感觉这题e得错误是economical。我觉得they do是可以不补出得。看og129

    In an effort to reduce their inventories, Italian vintners have cut prices;their wines have been priced to sell, and they are.
    a.have been priced to sell, and they are
    b.are priced to sell, and they have
    c.are priced to sell, and they do
    d. are being priced to sell, and have
    e. had been priced to sell and they have

    答案是c。c中得do指带的是前面的sell,而不是price to sell


    作者: exan    时间: 2004-10-7 05:19

    to sunnyspring:


    would have done 是过去时态的虚拟语气


    但是would have to do绝对是现在时态的虚拟语气


    to 流沙:


    有没有they do不要紧,问题是have to know的结果还是know.


    所以A是know more than (know) now,逻辑不通;而D是would know more than (know) now,符合逻辑


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    作者: asicschu    时间: 2004-11-1 16:25
    喔...我懂了!! 謝謝!!
    作者: hollylo    时间: 2004-11-10 00:43

    好,这下对would have to 的用法有了更深的理解。谢谢NN们!


    作者: talkinghead    时间: 2004-11-12 15:32
    What is GWD? It is Guan Wei Dong's exercises?
    作者: lj_hq    时间: 2004-12-4 14:39

    牛人的解释就是不一样啊!


    作者: monkichi    时间: 2004-12-10 22:20
    标题: 回复:(arundhati)[求助]GWD1-32
    呵呵,好厉害,清楚多了已经
    作者: smallkiddy    时间: 2004-12-14 17:27

    强烈提问

    如果补出they do, 这里do 是指代have, 原句变为they have now about,,,

    但是前半句是know about,所以这里补出逻辑上很奇怪,不补是不是比较好呢?

    所以我觉得A蛮好的


    作者: xionghuixh    时间: 2005-1-22 05:40

    I believe that E is the right answer.

    from OG12, WE Know "they do " MUST be omitted, and 'economical 'also have a mean of 经济的


    作者: misswmp    时间: 2005-2-8 05:53

    I believe that E is the right answer. too

    1. Social and Economical // Social and Economic 两者说法都有,你在google上查可以很明显看到国外文章上Social and Economical 对determinants of fertility的表述,不能以economical作为排除的理由.

    2.  前面的虚拟语气更强调了与现在now的比较.


    作者: tuzq    时间: 2005-2-12 22:21
    以下是引用流沙在2004-10-4 19:38:00的发言:

    感觉这题e得错误是economical。我觉得they do是可以不补出得。看og129


    In an effort to reduce their inventories, Italian vintners have cut prices;their wines have been priced to sell, and they are.
    a.have been priced to sell, and they are
    b.are priced to sell, and they have
    c.are priced to sell, and they do
    d. are being priced to sell, and have
    e. had been priced to sell and they have


    答案是c。c中得do指带的是前面的sell,而不是price to sell



    they do是应该不需要补出来,比如同一个test的16题


    Soaring television costs accounted for more than half the spending in the presidential campaign of 1992, a greater proportion than it was in any previous election.




  • a greater proportion than it was

  • a greater proportion than


  • a greater proportion than they have been

  • which is greater than was so

  • which is greater than it has been

  • 我们就讨论过了B是正确的,就没有要补出it was.


    作者: xiao_zhutou    时间: 2005-2-13 05:48
    以下是引用tuzq在2005-2-12 22:21:00的发言:



    they do是应该不需要补出来,比如同一个test的16题


    Soaring television costs accounted for more than half the spending in the presidential campaign of 1992, a greater proportion than it was in any previous election.







    1. a greater proportion than it was

    2. a greater proportion than


    3. a greater proportion than they have been

    4. which is greater than was so

    5. which is greater than it has been

    我们就讨论过了B是正确的,就没有要补出it was.


    我记得之所以B正确A错是因为A的过去时有问题。全句补充完整是

    "a greater portion than it had been..."


    作者: soami    时间: 2005-2-23 22:02

    這題看到前面那個單字 forecasts


    用would就不是問題啦,竟然是預測,那就要假設語氣。


    作者: ring_cheng    时间: 2005-3-12 16:48

    要看到比较的对象是:“demographers将来需要知道的东西” 要比“他们现在知道的东西”多,比较的是宾语,而在:“know a great deal more than now ”中,是用状语now去比较宾语, 所以是不对的。

    其实在这句话中than是充当准关系代词,代替前面know的宾语,所以这句话补齐时应该是:The demographers would have to know a great deal more than (the knowledge that) they do(know) now. 所以they do需要补出。相应的例子有补充材料中的这句:Since the movie was released seventeen UFOs have been sighted in the state, more than had been sighted in the past ten years.

    在比较句中,比较从句的主谓一般需要补出,在不影响原句意思及不产生歧义的前提下,比较从句的主谓才可以省略。


    作者: tuzq    时间: 2005-4-30 18:51
    以下是引用ringcheng在2005-3-12 16:48:00的发言:

    要看到比较的对象是:“demographers将来需要知道的东西” 要比“他们现在知道的东西”多,比较的是宾语,而在:“know a great deal more than now ”中,是用状语now去比较宾语, 所以是不对的。


    其实在这句话中than是充当准关系代词,代替前面know的宾语,所以这句话补齐时应该是:The demographers would have to know a great deal more than (the knowledge that) they do(know) now. 所以they do需要补出。相应的例子有补充材料中的这句:Since the movie was released seventeen UFOs have been sighted in the state, more than had been sighted in the past ten years.


    在比较句中,比较从句的主谓一般需要补出,在不影响原句意思及不产生歧义的前提下,比较从句的主谓才可以省略。


    如果补全以后是我标成黄色的,那肯定就是错的了,因为按ring改的,they do都变成宾语从句了.

    我还是觉得they do是可以省略的.下面又是一个例句,答案是A,

    GWD-12-Q30:


    According to public health officials, in 1998 Massachusetts became the first state in which more babies were born to women over the age of thirty than under it.




  • than


  • than born


  • than they were

  • than there had been

  • than had been born

  • 作者: TakeItEasy1    时间: 2005-5-3 12:45
    再顶上来,D中的补出they do ,这个do不就成了补出have?那样结构会很奇怪
    作者: Gracie    时间: 2005-5-7 23:08

    我的理解是:因为涉及“现在”与“将来”的比较,would 即强调了时态的先后顺序,又有表情态意义的功能,相当于may, should

    意思为“也许该知道”,更贴切;


    作者: wwwhahchn    时间: 2005-5-11 00:00

    这里they do的do是know


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    作者: 华籍美人    时间: 2005-5-20 16:44

    偶觉的应该选A!

    原因有二:

    1、如果是情态动词would + have, 当这个have 是助动词,则后面省略的结构中,必须保留would;如果have是实意动词,则后面省略的结构要写成do (大全中有道题,如下,就是属于第二种情况) 本题中have 是实意动词,则后面的they do 肯定是指have,那不符合逻辑了啊。所以CDE都排除了

    2、B中的do可以指have也可以指know ,最好省略以免产生歧义,且B 中的economical好像是便宜的意思,不符合原文所说从社会和经济的角度啊!

    这道题有讨论结果么?到底答案是什么啊?

    大全中的题目:

    The guiding principles of the tax plan released by the Treasury Department could have even a greater significance for the economy than the particulars of the plan.

    (A) even a greater significance for the economy than

    (B) a significance that is even greater for the economy than have

    (C) even greater significance for the economy than have

    (D) even greater significance for the economy than do   (D)

    (E) a significance even greater for the economy than have


    作者: smalltiger    时间: 2005-5-27 20:36

    NN



    作者: Geniepink    时间: 2005-6-3 00:41

    they do的问题或许不是该不该补 而是补错了呢? 前面用的是would have to do 补出时至少不能单纯的补do吧


    这只是我的一个思路 不知道对否 请大家延伸~~


    不过我支持选E 因为曾记得OG上有类似的题 就是没补作为正确选享的


    作者: remona9t    时间: 2005-6-8 16:01
    又搞懂了一个语法点;18楼的nn可真n
    作者: qnzy    时间: 2005-7-1 22:49
    因为作者要表达不大可能实现的语气,所以加虚拟更好,当然其实不管他,根据than比较助动词补足原则排除a就行了。
    作者: 饼干冰淇淋    时间: 2005-7-7 18:19
    同意D.比较对象要一致,既然有now就得和将来比,所以有would。但是将来是have to know,而现在是know,所以than后面应该是than they know now,把相同的动词know用do 来代替。而且economic没有歧义。其他都不对
    作者: hitler999    时间: 2005-7-24 10:44

    我知道选D,但有个问题,


    如果than前后比较的是have to ,那么,than后的动词应该补have还是do?

    如果than前后比较的是would,那么,than后的动词应该补would吗?


    谢谢!

    作者: 三脚猫    时间: 2005-7-24 13:31

    would 表示虚拟,表与现在相反


    作者: hitler999    时间: 2005-7-24 13:43

    三脚猫MM


    对我的问题有回答吗?


    作者: hitler999    时间: 2005-8-9 17:13
    如果than前后比较的是have to ,那么,than后的动词应该补have还是do?

    如果than前后比较的是would,那么,than后的动词应该补would吗?


    大家帮忙看看这个问题,谢谢!

    作者: nyc_cfa    时间: 2005-8-17 01:44
    如果than前后比较的是have to ,那么,than后的动词应该补have还是do?

         我觉得是do. 补助动词。


    如果than前后比较的是would,那么,than后的动词应该补would吗?

         这题是把一个虚拟的情况和一个现实情况做比较。所以前面虚拟的用would, 后面现实的不用would.



    作者: wzparete    时间: 2005-8-17 15:11

    现在觉得D更好,如果不补 they do ,就表示后面的谓语与前面相同,也就是would have to know,不合理。


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    作者: sammaijgd    时间: 2005-8-29 16:51

    D正确


    本题就是虚拟与事实上的比较,do指代know


    作者: 丑得老婆哭    时间: 2005-9-3 09:06
    讨论一年多还没个定啊。。。。。
    作者: sweetstar    时间: 2005-9-12 22:17

    问 D 选项中do可以代替 have to know吗?


    我选A.哪位NN帮忙一下?


    作者: akelee    时间: 2005-9-29 17:17

    我觉的A也蛮对的啊.....读起来比较顺口..


    作者: seraphblue    时间: 2005-10-20 05:09
       
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    bachordersee 牛人也
    作者: mba8    时间: 2005-11-2 19:10

    选E.


    Webster 对economical的解释..


    Main Entry: economical
    Pronunciation: -'nä-mi-k&l
    Function: adjective
    1 archaic : ECONOMIC 1


    作者: xuedidage    时间: 2005-11-9 13:54

    I will explain:  Because we have "TO" in the beginning.  着个句子不是说 You have to know something because I tell you to.  它是个假设.  To do some, you WOULD have to know something.  


    清楚吗?


      


    作者: mygrace    时间: 2005-11-11 03:00
    D is correct answer. The use of "economical" is incorrect


    作者: zhoujian    时间: 2005-11-30 17:30
    有economical的肯定错,economical的意思是using money, time, goods etc carefully and without wasting any ,在这里逻辑意思明显不对。而且这个肯定是一个考点,而并非有人说和economic没什么区别
    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-5 20:17

    不明白为什么这一题没有人同意E,有同意或对E有看法的请出列来讨论一下啦,谢谢!


    我对本题的理解


    1) economic和economical绝非考点,OG曾经也有一道以这两个词来迷惑我的考题。


    2) 同意大家对这里应该用would的看法(对应now)


    3)我选E的关键:


       我认为这里的more than根本是在迷惑人


       have to know (a great deal more than) (now) about the social and economical determinants


         a great deal修饰more, have to know more than about the social and economical determinants,请问这一句有什么漏洞吗?应该没有吧?


         D才有漏洞,如果是比较级考点,正确的应该是这样:have to know about a great deal more than now they do about the social and economical determinants


        D怎可多出后面这个about或少了前面这个about呢?这怎么对呢?


        看了整个讨论过程,觉得好像不太对劲!


        请大家再来看看E这个选项吧!也请高手指点,谢谢!


    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-8 19:40

    今天看到大全956,来证明一下more than作为程度副词的用法:


    956.     Baker was perhaps not the most gifted soloist in the orchestra, but the conductor felt what was lacking in his technical skill was more than made up by the passion with which he played the music.


           (B) what he lacked in technical skill was more than made up by



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    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-10 20:52

    Sorry, 我必须作一下更正,答案为A


    “1) economic和economical绝非考点”的说法有点错。


    当然,我还是认为无需死记economic和economical的词义区别,关键在于本题中的social and economic,如大全832


    832. The supply of oil being finite has become an economical and political consideration of the first magnitude for all modern industrial nations.


    (A) The supply of oil being finite has become an economical


    (B) The finite supply of oil has become an economical


    (C) That the supply of oil is finite has become an economical


    (D) The supply of oil being finite has become an economicE


    (E) That the supply of oil is finite has become an economic



    这里考的是economic和political的搭配,当然social也应与economic搭配


    However,我还是认为本题不存在比较级,只有A和D用了economic,


    D为比较级句子,继而我也不再认为would与now的对应是关键


    所以答案为A


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    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-13 16:40
    up up
    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-17 20:20
    up up up
    作者: elaine_tai    时间: 2005-12-19 16:54
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    作者: bigbear0340    时间: 2005-12-19 20:08
    以下是引用tianwan在2004-6-19 23:30:00的发言:
    I am also confused by this "would", why should this "would" be added?


    用whould,是因为表示一种虚拟语气.也就是说,"应该知道的更多",但事实却是现在知道的没这么多.


    不知道有没有会错你的意,呵呵.


    作者: wingkim    时间: 2005-12-28 20:08
    以下是引用elaine_tai在2005-12-5 20:17:00的发言:

    不明白为什么这一题没有人同意E,有同意或对E有看法的请出列来讨论一下啦,谢谢!


    我对本题的理解


    1) economic和economical绝非考点,OG曾经也有一道以这两个词来迷惑我的考题。


    2) 同意大家对这里应该用would的看法(对应now)


    3)我选E的关键:


       我认为这里的more than根本是在迷惑人


       have to know (a great deal more than) (now) about the social and economical determinants


         a great deal修饰more, have to know more than about the social and economical determinants,请问这一句有什么漏洞吗?应该没有吧?


         D才有漏洞,如果是比较级考点,正确的应该是这样:have to know about a great deal more than now they do about the social and economical determinants


        D怎可多出后面这个about或少了前面这个about呢?这怎么对呢?


        看了整个讨论过程,觉得好像不太对劲!


        请大家再来看看E这个选项吧!也请高手指点,谢谢!


    1、我不否认more than有可能做副词使用,但是这里应该还是比较,否则now的出现很难理解。另外now的位置不必要像MM的标示必须在动词前,因为now本身的位置就有很多。

    2、关于a great deal修饰more我个人意见认为值得商榷,a great deal应该是形容词,more形容词和副词均可。我比较倾向于more 修饰a great deal,而且a great deal 没加of +Noun,隐含省略了know的对象

    3、关于比较的介词补足,MM可能没考虑清楚,这里其实只是比较时间状语,而不是介宾短语比较。a great deal (of sth)about the social and economic。

    4、关于they do的补足,我个人认为have to know的核心动作还是know,have to虽然是一个动词词组(也就是大家说的实义动词),但我认为have to 真正有实义的只是后面带的动词,所以补足部分的do应该理解为know。至于为什么要补足they do,我觉得是因为比较前部分是有虚拟意味的谓语would have to,但是比较后部分却只是要表达实际应该的know,谓语部分实际上已经改变了和主句的谓语不同,所以they do必须补出。


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    作者: seasnow    时间: 2005-12-31 06:07
    以下是引用携隐在2004-10-3 21:45:00的发言:

    突然想到一个问题,本题比较从句的主语和谓语跟主句都是一样的,那么是否需要省略呢?也就是说没有they do也可以? 还是说如果省略了they do,就不知道到底是they have to know now还是they know now了?


    support! 我觉得是因为they now know了,而不是have to或者would have to,所以要补出。


    作者: bluevironika    时间: 2006-2-3 21:59

    同意楼上的.就是说,如果在主句主语和分句主语一致,但是时态不一致的时候,要补出主语和不同的谓语的助动词,这样才不会有逻辑上的荒谬.


    作者: wycg    时间: 2006-2-4 10:24
    同意楼上2位说的.
    作者: babypigsxm    时间: 2006-2-28 11:30

    这条题我问了一个哈佛的牙医博士,美国人,他说他题目也要看三次,结果选了C,我把聊天记录发上来给大家看一下~


    我问了他三个问题“i have three questions about this sentence,
    1st, why the word "would" must be added ,is it some kind of subjunctive mood?
    2nd,"economial " means cheap or money-saving?
    3rd,why "they do" after "more than" can not be omitted?”


    他说“if you say know more,then you have to follow with what you know more about,so you can put know more about ? than they do know”


    “and they must be addressed again with "they do now" otherwise the sentence is incomplete”


    “as an adjictive it can be used in relation to economy like in "aspects of social, political, and economical life"


    "they do must be added to complete the mention of demographers"


    作者: vicomte    时间: 2006-4-6 17:40
    economical肯定不合适,这个词强调的是节约,合算的意思,跟social不能并列
    作者: yyallez    时间: 2006-5-1 16:59

    支持C


    作者: crystalbain    时间: 2006-5-19 09:35

    我认为they do是可以省略的,在不影响理解的情况下,是应该省略的。参考og198题

    在前面综合解释的时候说:如果用从句,就应该用过去完成时。

    后面解释正式选项的E时,说Choice D and E wisely dispense with the full clause and use a simple prepositional phrase.(但是D有因为。。。。错了,所以选E)

    可见即使前后时态不同,也是可以省略后面从句的主谓的,只要主语一致。

    Although Napoleon's army entered Russia with far more supplies than for any previous campaign, it had provisons for only twenty-four days.

    我觉得这里的for any previous campaign就和本题的now是同等性质的。


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    作者: smileday    时间: 2006-6-5 13:48

    would 為何要補出,不知跟假設語氣有沒有關係.(因為句首有個To...)


    作者: hawkinsxie    时间: 2006-6-6 13:51

    不要忘了助词补出的基本原则:“能补就补”

    补肯定比不补好,使原文更清晰。

    而would的用法,虽然考法奇怪(OG未见),但也有理可循。

    则C,D之间选择,必选economic。


    作者: ProfCPA    时间: 2006-7-4 04:27

    【讨论】关于economic 和economical

    翻阅了不少字典,economical除了节俭的意思之外,也有“=economic”这层意思。而且如果跟social, political之类的放在一起感觉好看不少

    不过当我尝试google "social, political, and economical life"的时候,google同学问我

    Did you mean: social, political, and economic life  

    这里也许已经超出了咬文嚼字的范畴了。。。。 应该遵循语言习惯?


    作者: xjlv128    时间: 2006-7-23 00:26
    以下是引用ProfCPA在2006-7-4 4:27:00的发言:

    【讨论】关于economic 和economical

    翻阅了不少字典,economical除了节俭的意思之外,也有“=economic”这层意思。而且如果跟social, political之类的放在一起感觉好看不少

    不过当我尝试google "social, political, and economical life"的时候,google同学问我

    Did you mean: social, political, and economic life  

    这里也许已经超出了咬文嚼字的范畴了。。。。 应该遵循语言习惯?

    我在google上搜  social and economical,结果出来一个social and economical sciences!

    而且从其他搜索结果看,social and economic和social and economical 意思不一样,后者是经济的,节约的,和social连着,个人感觉有点像  经济节约型社会   的那个“经济节约“的感觉

    而末尾是fertility,所以我支持E


    作者: Dinaxie    时间: 2006-8-15 16:09

     支持D

    Would 与前面的To对应,意思是将要或主观上愿意,但实际可能没做,如:

    I would like to go US.

    考虑社会和经济的决定因素,选economic

    补出比不补好


    作者: yolaunndalyy    时间: 2006-8-16 02:27

    应该加上would,因为have to 后面的并不是必须,而是建议,没有would 语气显得强硬和绝对。而且是表示将来去做,would能表示将来。(是不是有点虚拟语气的味道?)


    作者: evaxiao    时间: 2006-9-20 22:58

    A选项HAVE TO不能理解为不得不吗?说他们在将来不得不了解的更多,必须要用现在虚拟吗?


    作者: janet_wei    时间: 2006-9-26 18:48
    但A选项里面they do没补出来啊,还是不对的
    作者: phiphilulu    时间: 2006-9-28 02:01

    怎么还有讨论说答案是E

    支持D


    作者: cdvitamin    时间: 2006-10-6 23:57

    这题确实挺有意思。

    1)economical vs. economic

    2) would have to vs. have to

    3) they do到底要不要补进来

    1)不说了;

    2)和 3)其实有点关联。they do now表示现在他们做的,would have to know 意思是本应该。所有答案都是比较级,很明显,是在拿过去跟现在做比较。也就是过去they did not know so much about the social and economic... as they do now. 毫无疑问,是与过去事实相反的虚拟语气。

    原来觉得B很对,现在看来,在B中,即使economical改成economic,也是不对。除非没有more than they do now,have to know 就可以了。


    作者: findjuhl    时间: 2006-10-7 23:26

    我觉得they do补或者不补都对。

    关键在于would have to,没有任何标志表明需要用would来表示虚拟或者过去,所以不应该添加would,坚定选A


    作者: findjuhl    时间: 2006-10-7 23:28
    以下是引用cdvitamin在2006-10-6 23:57:00的发言:

    这题确实挺有意思。

    1)economical vs. economic

    2) would have to vs. have to

    3) they do到底要不要补进来

    1)不说了;

    2)和 3)其实有点关联。they do now表示现在他们做的,would have to know 意思是本应该。所有答案都是比较级,很明显,是在拿过去跟现在做比较。也就是过去they did not know so much about the social and economic... as they do now. 毫无疑问,是与过去事实相反的虚拟语气。

    原来觉得B很对,现在看来,在B中,即使economical改成economic,也是不对。除非没有more than they do now,have to know 就可以了。

    我还可以认为在当前的条件下,科学家发现需要掌握比现在更多的内容,才能做出来更准确的模型,应该用will或者have to,而不是认为过去应该掌握更多。


    作者: 晴天小狗    时间: 2006-10-20 17:18

    还没有定论啊? 我做题的时候选的D

    这种情况应该怎么处理呢?不能含含糊糊的吧


    作者: 盈儿    时间: 2006-10-21 09:01

    不知道大家用的是那个版本的GWD?

    在最新的TT GWD里面,这道题的E选项与老版本不一样了

    TT GWD14-32

    To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.

     

    1. have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic
    2. have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    3. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    4. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic
    5. would have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic

    答案是E


    作者: 盈儿    时间: 2006-10-21 09:07

    1,they do需要省略,我记得OG中有一道类似的题目

    2,这里需要一个would,其实整句话比较的是now和would虚拟

    虽然我做的时候这道题错选了A,但是现在仔细想想,的确E更好(注意:是新的TTGWD下的题目版本)


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    作者: eddienumb    时间: 2006-10-21 11:13
    这里比较的主语谓语都没有变  所以可以省略
    比较的重点是在now 和would
    同意E

    作者: KittyNewGT    时间: 2006-10-29 01:55

    这道题目讨论了2年多啊。我也支持TTGWD的E,跟大家交流一下我的看法D为何不对

    看白勇上说,比较的省略原则: 主句谓语动词短语使用助动词(如 have, has, had, will)或情态动词(can,could,may,should)+ verb 形式时,比较从句往往省略verb,保留助动词或者情态动词

    D would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic 其中they do 虽然想表达的是 they know的意思,但是在形式上不是很好的省略和并列格式。(they would 其实是最并列的,读者最容易找到并列,但是意思上不对),我自己从来没有看到过有这样不并列的省略方式(个人所见有限,如果有反例欢迎指正)。所以我排除了D (旧版和TT GWD)

    我在之前的版本中选A (D也选过,但是开始对would不太认可,后来觉得they do 是个问题)。TTGWD这一版觉得E是最佳答案。大家请讨论~


    作者: dldennis    时间: 2006-12-5 08:48
    up then
    作者: smiling5325    时间: 2007-3-15 04:38

    此处 would 的用法

    英汉大词典:(用于第一人称时表示说话者的意愿。第二三人称时表示在特定条件下会产生的结果)就,要


    作者: flybatter    时间: 2007-5-1 22:46

    我觉得选A,than now应该和than ever同样吧?可以不用加they do。

    另外economical的意思是节约的,不是经济的意思。


    作者: wangluobing    时间: 2007-5-9 10:17

    好混乱 啊  看到最后怎么每个都对又都每个都错

    不知道该选什么了

    做一题3分钟 看一题要好几小时  郁闷~~~

    考试不会碰到这种题吧????


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    作者: wangluobing    时间: 2007-5-9 10:44

    想了很久

    这个更倾向于是将来和现在的比较  那么就是时态上的比较  

    那么they do 就该补出来  答案是D

    E选项 THEY DO 省略 那么这个句子比较的对象又是什么  


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    作者: redEmpire    时间: 2007-5-21 15:57
    以下是引用arundhati在2004-6-19 16:39:00的发言:

    Q32:

    To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic determinants of fertility.

    1. have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic
    2. have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    3. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economical
    4. would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic
    5. would have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economical

    答案是E,可我觉得这个比较得补出they do, 因为比较得是知道的多少,为一个动作。另外,这个would的补出有必要吗?谢谢!

    这题本人认为选A,但是E项如果是economic就是最佳答案

    首先economic无疑,是“经济因素”而非“便宜因素”,

    其次more修饰的是know的宾语而非谓语know(可以从deal一词看出来),相同主谓结构省略为宜。

    此外would更好,因为作者是拿一种设想与现在“now”比较,而would have本来就有表推测之意。

    所以E项economical如果改成economic则选E,不改就只能将就选A了


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