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作者: 麻集爱 时间: 2004-6-16 12:30
标题: gwd 8-11,41

Q11:
There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of monkfish that
can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.
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A. There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion
through overfishing.
B. There are no legal limits on the size of monkfish that can be caught, unlike cod or
haddock, a circumstance that contributes to depleting them because they are being
overfished.
C. There are legal limits on the size of cod and haddock that can be caught, but not
for monkfish, which contributes to its depletion through overfishing.
D. Unlike cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish,
which contributes to its depletion by being overfished.
E. Unlike catching cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching
monkfish, contributing to their depletion because they are overfished.
Answer: c 我 a

Q41:
When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000
existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount
Answer: c 我b 为什么用the amount 呢? 可数名次阿.mw上说不好这样用的啊.

请教各位.

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-6-16 12:41

11，a，C肯定错。

41，C，以前讨论过无数遍。大体上是C，不过没有最终定论。

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作者: 麻集爱 时间: 2004-6-16 13:05

谢谢.

作者: trustme 时间: 2004-7-3 22:04

以下是引用tianwan在2004-6-16 12:41:00的发言：

11，a，C肯定错。

请问为什么说C一定错? 记得上次听说a中: "There are no..for .., as there are for..." 这种表达意思上说不过去..., 对后者到底是"有"呢, 还是"没有", 是有歧义的,不是吗?

作者: 青鸟 时间: 2004-7-11 13:26

以下是引用tianwan在2004-6-16 12:41:00的发言：

11，a，C肯定错。

41，C，以前讨论过无数遍。大体上是C，不过没有最终定论。

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11, 我认为应该选c，因为a中的 their和monkfish的单数不符合。

大家讨论。。。

作者: dollphin 时间: 2004-7-15 12:24
标题: continue

我觉得应该是C,A,B,E最大错误就在于用they指代前面单数fish，c也不好，因为which直接修饰fish,但这里只能看成跳跃修饰前面整个主语了。from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges还记得这道题目吗？这就是跳跃修饰前面主语啊
另外一道题目:9-Q32
At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’smultibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

这到题目我不同的想法在于，D,E,them refers to somebody;while these refers to something,OGP714-79就是有这方面解释。

nn指教啊!!!!!!

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-15 12:58

以下是引用麻集爱在2004-6-16 12:30:00的发言：

Q11:
There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.
A. There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.
B. There are no legal limits on the size of monkfish that can be caught, unlike cod or haddock, a circumstance that contributes to depleting them because they are being overfished.
C. There are legal limits on the size of cod and haddock that can be caught, but not for monkfish, which contributes to its depletion through overfishing.
D. Unlike cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish, which contributes to its depletion by being overfished.
E. Unlike catching cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish, contributing to their depletion because they are overfished.
Answer: c 我 a

我觉得BCDE都好像改变句意，There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock中as there are后面省略的应该是no legal limits，从这点上就排除了其他所有的选项，而至于they的指代，很明显不是fish而是cod and haddock，句子想表达的是‘对于monkfish没有法律规定，就想没有针对cod and haddock的法律规定，而这种没有法律规定的circumstance造成了cod and haddock的过度捕捞。

作者: LES 时间: 2004-7-15 13:06

以下是引用dollphin在2004-7-15 12:24:00的发言：

－谁说monkfish是单数啦？？？以-fish结尾的单词的单复数形式是一样的！而且在ETS的考试中通常认为是复数。(TOEFL和GMAT)

－C中的致命错误是which指代前面整个句子。可参考OG38/49/78。偶觉得就这一点来讲在GMAT考试中应该不再怀疑，这样的选项永远错！！！

另外一道题目:9-Q32
At the annual stockholders meeting, investors heard a presentation on the numerous challenges facing the company, including among them the threat from a rival’smultibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the declining sales for the company’s powerful microprocessor chip.

A. including among them the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit and the declining sales for

B. which includes the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and declining sales of

C. included among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patentinfringement suit as well as a decline in sales for

D. among them the threat of a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit and the decline in sales of

E. among these the threat from a rival’s multibillion-dollar patent-infringement suit as well as the decline in sales for

这到题目我不同的想法在于，D,E,them refers to somebody;while these refers to something,OGP714-79就是有这方面解释。

nn指教啊!!!!!!

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-7-15 13:09

对于单数来讲，有he/she 和 it，对于复数来讲，只有they，所以they是可以指代sth的。

感觉一般ETS不用单独的these指代。

“D,E,them refers to somebody;while these refers to something”这一句是哪儿的？

作者: dollphin 时间: 2004-7-15 13:15
up

作者: dollphin 时间: 2004-7-15 13:55

有道理啊!太谢谢了!!再次道谢

LES说得对,fish结尾的确应作为复数来看,要不然which的错误更大

关于these,them指代是有依据的,OG P714-79,tianwan不知你身边有书么?下面是解释

use these rather than them as the pronoun referring to the "poor"(题目中的人) is wrong

作者: lucre 时间: 2004-7-15 14:56

Q41:
When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000
existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount
不要笑话俺,俺怎么看D顺眼的紧,错在哪了?

作者: dollphin 时间: 2004-7-15 17:01

我的理解,number是不能用less修饰的,OG上只能用great

另外quater后面少了of

作者: lucre 时间: 2004-7-15 17:16

以下是引用dollphin在2004-7-15 17:01:00的发言：

我的理解,number是不能用less修饰的,OG上只能用great

另外quater后面少了of

1: half/one-third/one-quarter/one-fifth/xx% the amount是很常用的结构,当然加of也不错

OG里相似的例子

59. In 1978 only half the women granted child support by a court received the amount awarded; at least as much as a million and more others had not any support agreements whatsoever.

2: number用greater than而不能用more than(例外是more than doubled/tripled) 但是less than应该是可以的

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作者: luoffice 时间: 2004-7-16 00:28
顶一下,NN们指点指点

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-16 00:57

以下是引用dollphin在2004-7-15 13:55:00的发言：

有道理啊!太谢谢了!!再次道谢

LES说得对,fish结尾的确应作为复数来看,要不然which的错误更大

关于these,them指代是有依据的,OG P714-79,tianwan不知你身边有书么?下面是解释

use these rather than them as the pronoun referring to the "poor"(题目中的人) is wrong

虽然fish的确可以单复数同型，但是我不认为这里的fish是复数，当表达一种鱼或整个鱼类时，fish作为单数，而当要表达多条鱼时我们可以用fish或fishes来表达复数。本句monkfish和cod / haddock一样明显各自指代一种鱼，所以我认为，they是指代cod and haddock的。

作者: gmat700+ 时间: 2004-7-16 01:05

以下是引用stoneren在2004-7-16 0:57:00的发言：

虽然fish的确可以单复数同型，但是我不认为这里的fish是复数，当表达一种鱼或整个鱼类时，fish作为单数，而当要表达多条鱼时我们可以用fish或fishes来表达复数。本句monkfish和cod / haddock一样明显各自指代一种鱼，所以我认为，they是指代cod and haddock的。

可是，我觉得如果their指代cod and haddock的话，逻辑上不通啊！

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-16 01:23

以下是引用gmat700+在2004-7-16 1:05:00的发言：

可是，我觉得如果their指代cod and haddock的话，逻辑上不通啊！

我认为逻辑上是合理的，原句as短语暗示了比较，作者明显指出因为没有相关法律针对cod and haddock，所以导致其过度捕捞，而同样的前提也发生在monkfish上，暗示monkfish的结果类似。而且，我现在从C/D中的its得到佐证，monkfish应该是单数。

作者: gmat700+ 时间: 2004-7-16 02:40

以下是引用stoneren在2004-7-16 1:23:00的发言：

我的理解是：法律没有限制monkfish的捕捞数量，而对cod and haddock法律上就有捕捞数量的限制，所以monkfish现在被过度捕捞。

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-16 04:44

以下是引用trustme在2004-7-3 22:04:00的发言：
记得上次听说a中: "There are no..for .., as there are for..." 这种表达意思上说不过去..., 对后者到底是"有"呢, 还是"没有", 是有歧义的,不是吗?

到底这个用法可行么？我也糊涂了。恭请NN

作者: jnlvo 时间: 2004-7-16 06:33
感觉是有，就像句子as sb1 did, sb2 did not这里的句子理解sb1就是肯定的，在想表达同sb2一样否定的意思时，as sb1 did就被认为不可接受，而且意思上as there are 理解成肯定，感觉更合理些。

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-16 07:14

there are legal limits for cob as there are for monkfish. = there are legal limits for cob as there are legal limits for monkfish.

there are no legal limts for cob as there are for monkfish. = there are no legal limts for cob as there are no legal limits for monkfish.

我认为这样的补出才是合理的，而且，as A do, B donot do我怎么觉得很别扭啊，as这里不是应该表明类似性么？

继续请教！

作者: jnlvo 时间: 2004-7-16 07:29

我只是觉得否定成分可能不能这样省，不过也不是很清楚，还要多找例子才能说明问题。

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-7-16 11:28

171, Because young children do not organize their attention or perceptions systematically, like adults, they may notice and remember details that their elders ignore.

(A) like adults

(B) unlike an adult

(D) as adults do

(E) as an adult

这个大全的例子，答案是D。另外，as是方式状语连词。

作者: rt316 时间: 2004-7-17 00:17

不错，这个例子的确能够有参考价值，问题是这里用的是not而不是no，not是修饰do的，所以后面用do就能够理解，但是no是修饰名词的。

作者: 银钩铁划 时间: 2004-7-17 17:29

这题我记得在哪做过啊，但是我搜索找不到……哪位有同感的找一下~~~~~~

我选E，大家说E为什么不对啊，看了半天没看出来

作者: purpinlaurel 时间: 2004-7-22 03:29

同意A，但认为They指代fish,

作者: perpetual 时间: 2004-8-7 18:28

以下是引用gmat700+在2004-7-16 2:40:00的发言：

我的理解是：法律没有限制monkfish的捕捞数量，而对cod and haddock法律上就有捕捞数量的限制，所以monkfish现在被过度捕捞。

同意。我选a

作者: 闲云漫舞 时间: 2004-9-7 16:43

Q11:
There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of monkfish that
can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.
A. There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion
through overfishing.
B. There are no legal limits on the size of monkfish that can be caught, unlike cod or
haddock, a circumstance that contributes to depleting them because they are being
overfished.
C. There are legal limits on the size of cod and haddock that can be caught, but not
for monkfish, which contributes to its depletion through overfishing.
D. Unlike cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish,
which contributes to its depletion by being overfished.
E. Unlike catching cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching
monkfish, contributing to their depletion because they are overfished.
Answer:

我做题时选了A，排除C的理由是：
C中的which指代了前面整个句子，即“对可捕鱼尺寸上的限制”contributes to...。而在T和G语法中，ETS较严谨的做法是which优先靠前指代－－即指代最邻近的名词，按此原则，这里的which就指monfish，这在句意上不通。
A中将前面的情况用抽象词circumstance代替，我觉得更优，并且印象上在天山真题之类里也有过类似的情况。

这题我选C。第一遍时的感觉。省略时用抽象名字that之类更好，而不能用these, those，这里many觉得和these,those属于同一类，因此更喜欢that amout。

欢迎指正！

作者: horsefish 时间: 2004-9-16 00:53

41的D为什么不对?谢谢!

作者: njzww 时间: 2004-9-17 20:37

可是A项里的THEIR究竟指代什么呢？！！

我选C。

作者: dream1111 时间: 2004-9-27 03:13

For Q11, I think A.

The ' unlike ' in B makes it unclear, we could think it is comparing with the previous ' monkfish' and also the later' circumstance'. moreover, 'depleting' does not have subkect.

C and D is faulty because of its ' which'

The meaning of ' size' in 'size limits on catching ..' in E is vague, is it the size of fish or size of catching fish.

For Q41. C I think. the one quarter the amount in D looks no good, the one quarter of that amount will be better .

What do you guys think?

作者: Andrea625 时间: 2004-10-5 15:03
8-11:
A. There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion
through overfishing.
a circumstance 我觉得太远不好，因为它指代There are no legal limits。但是a circumstance 又没有连接词，句子结构有问题。

作者: exan 时间: 2004-10-14 03:29

我怎么看也觉得D也不错。

D: 数学题里"the number is less than..."多了去了，所以less than 没错；前面的贴子也谈到OG里有half women，所以one-quarter the amount也应该没错

C: 应该是省略了主语drive-ins，因为fewer没有名词词形。假设one-quarter the amount=100

C可以写成(1)there are fewer drive-ins than 100;或者(2)there are drive-ins fewer than 100.

(1)(2)比较双方不对等：drive-ins和数字100

另外there be强调的是存在性，而本题是想对比数量。

请高手指点！

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作者: daxing 时间: 2004-10-17 01:24
41题，我也同意选D，因为本题考察 FEW 修饰 MANY（DRIVE-INS），LESS 修饰AMOUNT 或者NUMBER，A 中 LESS THAN。。。MANY （DRIVER-INS），B 中FEWER THAN。。。AS，C中 FEWER THAN 。。。THAT AMOUNT，都错，E中IT 无清晰指代，故D对

作者: 呆板彻底 时间: 2004-10-20 16:42

41,d。c错

作者: lifelover 时间: 2004-10-22 23:51

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000
existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

这题有省略成分吧，具体如下：

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, （there were）some 4,000 （drive-ins） existed in the United States, but today there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount (of drive-ins existed in the United States). 所以是更少的drive-ins，而不是更少的number. 当然这样理解的话，只能把existed看成过去分词做状语,这样又会有什么问题？自己也没想明白。希望得到nn指点。

作者: lifelover 时间: 2004-10-23 00:00

11题如果-fish在这里可以理解为复数的话，我同意A选项。虽然我两次都选了C，但其实觉得C也问题多多，最大的问题就是which指代不明确，感觉象是代替monkfish的，导致句意逻辑关系不对。但是又非常想同意monkfish在这里是表一类鱼的说法，继续困扰ing.

作者: bose0008 时间: 2004-10-25 02:01

GWD8-Q11:
There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of monkfish that
can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.

A. There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion
through overfishing.
B. There are no legal limits on the size of monkfish that can be caught, unlike cod or
haddock, a circumstance that contributes to depleting them because they are being
overfished.
C. There are legal limits on the size of cod and haddock that can be caught, but not
for monkfish, which contributes to its depletion through overfishing.
D. Unlike cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish,
which contributes to its depletion by being overfished.
E. Unlike catching cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching
monkfish, contributing to their depletion because they are overfished.

Q11 is a problematic question.

I chose A not C just because "...monkfish, which contributes to..." is not an acceptable structure (according to OG) to describe the fact/situation in the previous clauses. If 'which' modifies monkfish, it creates illogical meaning that monkfish will generate (its) own depletion.

But "their" in A to modify monkfish as a spieces different from Cod and Hadcock seems to be less appropriate than "its". Thus, "their" is a confusing referent to either "monkfish" as a collective noun or "Cod and Hadcock" as a group.

NN, please help!!

GWD8-Q41

Q41 is a problematic question.

I chose C based on feeling. But I have the impression that in OG, "amount" usually refers to uncountable noun, such as water, energy and resource, not to countable nouns, such as cars, relations and memories, in this case, 4000 drive-ins. "number" rather than "amount" seems to be more OG-like.

But “amounts” can refer to countable nouns, see OG 243, amounts of suspected carcinogens…

Other examples in OG:

101. Even though the direct costs of malpractice disputes amounts to a sum lower than one percent of the $541 billion the nation spent on health care last year, doctors say fear of lawsuits plays a major role in health-care inflation.

(A) amounts to a sum lower

(B) amounts to less

(C) amounted to less

(D) amounted to lower

(E) amounted to a lower sum

The correct choice must feature a verb that agrees with the plural noun costs and refers to an action completed last year (past tense). The verb amounts in A and B fulfills neither condition, and ~~amounts to a sum~~ in A is redundant. The same redundancy occurs in E, and the construction a lower sum than is awkward and imprecise in the context of the sentence. In D, the adjective ~~lower~~ is erroneously used in place of the noun less as object of the preposition to. Choice C is best.

132. According to a study by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching, companies in the United States are providing job training and general education for nearly eight million people, about equivalent to the enrollment of the nation's four-year colleges and universities.

(A) equivalent to the enrollment of

(B) the equivalent of those enrolled in

(C) equal to those who are enrolled in

(D) as many as the enrollment of

(E) as many as are enrolled in

The phrases equivalent to in A, the equivalent of in B, and equal to in C have too broad a range of meanings to be used precisely here: that is, they can suggest more than merely numerical equality. Also, as quantitative expressions, equivalent and equal often modify nouns referring to uncountable things, as in "an equivalent amount of resistance" or "a volume of water equal to Lake Michigan." To establish numerical comparability between groups with countable members, the phrase as many as is preferable. Choice D, however, uses this phrase improperly in comparing eight million people to enrollment, not to other people. The comparison in E, the best choice, is logical because people is understood as the subject of are enrolled.

amount in Webster:

usage Number is regularly used with count nouns <a large number of mistakes> <any number of times> while amount is mainly used with mass nouns <annual amount of rainfall> <a substantial amount of money>. The use of amount with count nouns has been frequently criticized; it usually occurs when the number of things is thought of as a mass or collection <glad to furnish any amount of black pebbles -- New Yorker> <a substantial amount of film offers -- Lily Tomlin> or when money is involved <a substantial amount of loans -- E. R. Black>.

作者: bobomomo 时间: 2004-10-31 20:59

以下是引用gmat700+在2004-7-16 2:40:00的发言：

我的理解是：法律没有限制monkfish的捕捞数量，而对cod and haddock法律上就有捕捞数量的限制，所以monkfish现在被过度捕捞。

同意GMAT 700+的意思！从错误的C 的意思其实就能看出来A 的意思到底是什么！觉得A 省略了as there are (limits) for cod and haddock

所以我同意LES JJ 说的THEIR 指代的是MONKFISH ！

作者: jimjohn 时间: 2004-11-14 01:58

Q8-11:

A is grammarly correct.

There are no legal limits, ..., on ... of monkfish, a circumstance that....

I don't understand Q8-41 at all. NN, please work it out...

作者: jimjohn 时间: 2004-11-14 02:07

以下是引用lifelover在2004-10-22 23:51:00的发言：

这题有省略成分吧，具体如下：

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, （~~there were）~~some 4,000 （drive-ins） existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many ( drive-ins (existed) in the United States). 所以是更少的drive-ins，而不是更少的number. 当然这样理解的话，只能把existed看成过去分词做状语,这样又会有什么问题？自己也没想明白。希望得到nn指点。

Making sense?

作者: Maggieyin 时间: 2004-11-15 23:17

求教：1、此处as的作用是不是和og60一样，平行比较。According to a recent poll, owning and living in a freestanding house on its own land is still a goal of a majority of young adults, AS it was of earlier generations。

2、their 应指代monkfish，a circumstance 作同位语，表示前面的比较情形。

B. There are no legal limits on the size of monkfish that can be caught, unlike cod or
haddock, a circumstance that contributes to depleting them because they are being
overfished.此处unlike 前后的比较对象是什么呢？
D. Unlike cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching monkfish,
which contributes to its depletion by being overfished.此处unlike 前后的比较对象是什么呢？是cod and haddock 和catching monkfish吗？
E. Unlike catching cod and haddock, there are no legal size limits on catching
monkfish, contributing to their depletion because they are overfished.
此处unlike 前后的比较对象是什么呢？是catching cod and haddock,和catching monkfish吗？
unlike 前后可以是动名词的比较吗？

问题多多，盼指教，谢谢。

作者: cindy2004 时间: 2004-11-16 15:50

以下是引用麻集爱在2004-6-16 12:30:00的发言：

Q11:
There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of monkfish thatcan be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion through overfishing.

觉着a有理，分解如下：

There are no legal limits, as there are for cod and haddock, on the size of
monkfish that can be caught, a circumstance that contributes to their depletion
through overfishing.

一、as there are for cod and haddock，

可理解为类似：“To shut your eyes to facts, as many of you do, is foolishas we know...”中这样的作用，如果把它提出，则原句为“To shut your eyes to facts... is foolish”,同理：There are no legal limits,..., on the size of monkfish that can be caught 不是很好的结构？！

二、a circumstance

把前面叙述的概括为一个，在用定于从句进行修饰说明，这样的结构不是gmat的常用结构吗？

their 指代“monkfish”

作者: Maggieyin 时间: 2004-11-17 12:34
monkfish 看成复数形式，是吗？

作者: aiaidi 时间: 2004-12-3 23:05
我觉得把MONKFISH换成PEOPLE的话，对复数的their会好理解一些

作者: msfox 时间: 2004-12-8 21:50

同意LES，monkfish, cod, haddock都应该是pl.

作者: snowt 时间: 2005-1-21 07:45

这句话补出来应该是 There are no legal limits, as there are (no legal limits) for code and haddock.

'as' 做连词表一种动作与另一种动作的相似性（可以参见LZM)，所以这里并不是讲两种东西的不同, 而是讲cod and hadddock和 monkish都是没有size limit. 所以their应该是指cod and haddock,不是monkfish.

作者: whoami2 时间: 2005-2-20 21:19

我来画蛇添足一把。在longman中没找到monkfish这个词；在collins中，只有例句中才用到 monkfish，但无从判断单复数。但是，在美国被奉为《新华字典》的webster中，有monkfish这个词条：

Main Entry:monk?ish
Pronunciation:*m**k-*fish
Function:noun
Date:1666

: either of two goosefishes (Lophius americanus of America and L. piscatorius of Europe) used for food

虽然 webster没有说单复数（这也是我最痛恨webster的地方，语法解释很少），但从它的解释来看，应该是单复数均可

作者: whoami2 时间: 2005-2-20 21:41

但GWD8 Q41 我好像没有看见什么结论哦。BCD，到底是哪个？

作者: jessica628 时间: 2005-2-21 10:25

我还是不明白41的a为什么不对，如果看成less 是修饰one-quarter 的就可以了

另外，外国网站上很多都有这样的用法如times杂志:"During the honeybee heyday after World War
II, the US had nearly 6 million hives. Now there are less than half that many,"

There were 650 at the start; these days there are less than half that many

mcgill 大学：

we are in fact taking on less than half
that many.

作者: superlin 时间: 2005-3-28 11:36
#41我選C, 理由是台灣的莫伯伯說og裡, the number 通常都是用figure取代所以我選C~~~

作者: 妞妞的牛牛 时间: 2005-4-4 12:22

以下是引用snowt在2005-1-21 7:45:00的发言：

这句话补出来应该是 There are no legal limits, as there are (no legal limits) for code and haddock.

虽然看各位的讨论都感觉有理，但我还是比较倾向snowt的解释，其实我的第一感觉就是这么想的their指cod and haddock,不是monkfish.

但还是觉得怪怪的，每个选项都怪，没法还是尊重第一感觉选了A

作者: autumn_leaves 时间: 2005-4-4 23:10

上手选了个让自己也抱歉的答案D... 想了一下,请斧正

41支持A,首先1/4后面可以不跟介词 (如同HALF THE AMOUNT OF...我记得有好几个例子,不赘述),THAT MANY省略了(of drive-ins)指以前那时候的DRIVE-INs,注意,因为是MANY,所以不是指代这个"NUMBER",使得less更making sense..

而B,C中FEWER一般指人,在这里指一个量1/4 of the amount超级奇怪..

我看不出A有什么错...

作者: xaquarius 时间: 2005-4-5 16:28

以下是引用snowt在2005-1-21 7:45:00的发言：

这句话补出来应该是 There are no legal limits, as there are (no legal limits) for code and haddock.

8-11 我选的是E。把帖子看了一遍，居然没有一个人选E，郁闷坏了。

我认为nowt的前半段对，这句话补出来应该是 There are no legal limits, as there are (no legal limits) for code and haddock. 但是，原句的limit后面是on the size of monkeyfish,而不是for + 动物，所以a不对。如果要是there are no legal size limit, as there are on cod and haddock, on monkeyfish that can be caught, A就对了。

they 指代monkeyfish.我查了一下金山，发现老美多用fish为复数，请看例句：

The best fish smell when they are three days old.(谚)
再好的鱼三天也要变臭。;久住招人嫌。

为什么是E呢？比较相同的东西。 catching ... cod and haddock 与 catching monkeyfish比较的东西相同而且平行。其他所有的选项都有对比的东西不相同的问题或者不平行。C还用which指代了一句话，这在og里清楚说明是不对的。

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作者: autumn_leaves 时间: 2005-4-6 18:37

41题,我还是纳闷为什么NN们都选C?

fewer than a quarter of that amount,首先a quarter of that amount中心词是amount (我想大家没异议吧?)

经过讨论,amount就是等同与number,即一个抽象的数的概念,那fewer than怎么能修饰这个amount抽象的数的概念呢?

请大家讨论啊!我实在想不同,还有就是哪为NN有类似这种倍数之类的东东的总结,我被绕的不行了

作者: autumn_leaves 时间: 2005-4-6 23:42

顶!

哪位发表一下,我的说法是否有错误..

作者: xaquarius 时间: 2005-4-8 12:39

昨天问了老外，41题：C

amount指的是4，000 drive-ins，one-quarter of that amount 代指1000drive-ins,所以用fewer(few)而不用less(little)

作者: autumn_leaves 时间: 2005-4-10 18:33

不要笃信鬼子,他们语法没我们强.

根据前面讨论,AMOUNT是一个抽象的数的概念,是"指"4，000 drive-ins,但"不是"4，000 drive-ins.

我觉得C肯定可以排除,答案在A,B中

LESS我见过不少修饰可数的情况,所以很难排除.B项AS MANY我觉得有点AWKWARD,后面是否能省略,有待讨论,我

个人觉得不行.

我倾向于A

作者: Dennies 时间: 2005-4-15 12:14

关于8-11的一点想法，xaquarius MM，我刚开始时也是选的E，后来仔细看了看，发现它有明显的错误：

1.UNLIKE的对比明显不平行,前面是名词,后面却是THERE BE结构

2.contributing to their depletion because 罗嗦且重复意思

再说说A/C

我同意A,并且认为A中的their是指代morkfish,there no legal limits,.........,on the........是整句,而中间的as there are for是插入语,因此their 从逻辑上来讲是指代morkfish的

另外对于as there are for的理解是省略了no legal limits,可参考OG-91题,细细体会

C中有一个致命的缺点,用WHICH指代先面的句子,更体现了ETS在A中用CIRCUMSTANCE 的别有用心哦

作者: jfan 时间: 2005-5-2 17:28
大家對 8-11 choice A 的爭議在於 their 指的是什麼。看句意，應該是 mockfish，可是由於 their是多數，無法指向單數名詞。那 fish 到底是單數還是複數呢，除了 cobuild 字典已確定 fish 為單複數同型外，電影"Finding Nemo" 也做了很好的範例，裡面的鯊魚們不是常說 "Fish are friends, not food."
這樣來看，A 應該是較好的選擇。

作者: ethyl 时间: 2005-5-26 19:32

Fish are friends, not food

这里的fish指的是各种fish，当然是复数；A选项，不如将their理解为各种size的monkfish，不知这样能不能帮助理解。

A：正确

B：unlike结构不平行，且有squinting modifiter之嫌；they,them指代混乱；depleting不好；being不好

C：which错

D：unlike结构不平行；which错；being不好

E：unlike结构不平行；contributing结构逻辑主语不清晰；because不好

作者: 小女公子 时间: 2005-5-28 14:47

晕倒了。 number不能用less修饰吗？？我记得可以啊。

greater number larger number smaller number

any more??

作者: xinfaxian 时间: 2005-6-5 02:51

以下是引用lucre在2004-7-15 17:16:00的发言：

1: half/one-third/one-quarter/one-fifth/xx% the amount是很常用的结构,当然加of也不错

OG里相似的例子

59. In 1978 only half the women granted child support by a court received the amount awarded; at least as much as a million and more others had not any support agreements whatsoever.

2: number用greater than而不能用more than(例外是more than doubled/tripled) 但是less than应该是可以的

支持一把，偶也选的D. 不需要of, 太不需要了。这种很普遍的。

作者: 携隐 时间: 2005-6-11 13:58

为什么NN们都认为GWD-8-11里面省略的是no limits呢？我怎么觉得省略的是limits呢？“对monkfish，没有像对cod和haddock那样的size的限制，所以monkfish被overfish了。”这从逻辑上不是更顺吗？

本题我觉得有问题，BDE都有比较对象不对称的问题，C有which的问题，看来都不太可能成为答案。唯一最有可能成为答案的A，我怎么看怎么不符合ETS的习惯。这句话我觉得应该按我以上的理解来看它的逻辑意思，这样一来，A就变成there are no...as there are...，这种比较我怎么觉得很不对劲啊。

作者: 携隐 时间: 2005-6-11 14:19

看到了tulip给我的例子，这种比较没有问题，大家共享：

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&q=%22there+are+no+legal+limits%22+%22+as+there+are+%22

作者: barmecide 时间: 2005-6-14 04:01

关于第11题的一点看法

个人觉得A是个完美的答案，关于有争议的两点

1、as there are for cod and haddock的作用问题，这个认为这是一个插入成分是修饰legal limits的，指与针对cod and haddock的legal limits相同的legal limits，因此不存在比较的问题，也就不存在应该是补出legal limits还是补出no legal limits的问题。也就不存在逻辑上的问题了，如果认为是对等比较的话，两个no legal limits，也就是两个本不存在的东西如何比较呢？

2、关于their的指代。我记得fish在中学的时候就学过是可数名词单复同形，只有fish当成吃的鱼肉讲的时候才不可数。而文中应该是its还是用their呢？当然应该用their，个人认为用its是错误的。句子中要表达的意思是对此种鱼的大量捕捞造成鱼的数量的减少，句子的中两个词catch与depletion都要求fish是复数而不是单数。试想如果一条鱼或者一种鱼怎么depletion呢？

关于41题，非常痛苦，不知道现在有没有比较权威的说法？到底哪个答案比较可行？

作者: seekmydream 时间: 2005-6-14 07:14

GWD-8-Q41:

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.

A. there are less than one-quarter that many (less than 修饰不可数名词, 错)

B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many (as many 没见过, 应是unidiomatic吧, 错)

C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount (that amount 指4000, 很好啊)

D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount (number 可以用less than, one-quarter the amount 也对,这句话单拎出来没有任何语法错误! 可是看看前后文, the number 指的只能是4000, 而不是愿意想表达的今天的数据, 4000小于4000的四分之一, 逻辑错误)

E it is less than one-quarter of that amount (it指代不清, 错)

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作者: 御风行 时间: 2005-7-9 13:47

我选的是B，但是觉得A也很像。
强烈反对认为as many不惯用的说法。
大家可以上网搜索一下，就比如twice as many，可以发现后面不跟as的大把都是：

例如商业周刊网站上（商业周刊语言算规范了吧）：
US schools produce only 35000 mechanical engineers a year; China graduates twice
as many. "There is a tremendous pool of well-trained people ...
(www.businessweek.com/magazine/ content/03_05/b3818001.htm)

再看Newsweek（也是语言规范的杂志之一）：
How many orders were placed for the Airbus as opposed to Boeing at the Paris Air Show? Half as many, twice as many, or three times as many?
(www.newsweekasia.com/nwquiz.asp)

所以说as many在英语中单独使用是很常见的。

作者: keepforward 时间: 2005-7-14 04:29
seekmydream mm说得有理！

作者: keepforward 时间: 2005-7-14 04:33

我原来也选d,但放回原句整体来看， the number.....the amount 有指代不清楚之嫌，而C没有瑕疵。ETS的选题原则不是说哪个也行，而是哪一个最好。所以应选择表达最清晰的一项。

作者: pengpengming 时间: 2005-7-20 20:12

同意楼上,C更好!

the number确实指代不明,有歧义

作者: xulijun 时间: 2005-7-29 17:10

我有话讲

这道题考了逻辑意思。照字面理解，它是讲，在捕MONKFISH时没有限制大小的legal limits,但是对另两类鱼就有，这是该句的逻辑意思，大家同意吧。所以，如果要补足的话，应该是这样：

A.There are no legal limits for monkfish, as there are legal limits for ...and...,on the size

所以，C正确

而且，they,their 指代单数名次错误

作者: hitler999 时间: 2005-7-30 15:47

对41题

one quarter the amount没有问题,问题在于the number这个特指，使用特指时，一般是指代前面出现过的东东，而这里前面唯一出现的一个数字是4000，因而这个the number就不得不指代4000，这就有逻辑问题了。

作者: yuyingchao 时间: 2005-8-1 15:26

呼~ 这么长的讨论41题还是没有结论~~

我是选(D)

我的观点是 (C)中there are…常常不选的原因是不够清楚, 到底什么few than 1/4 呢?
必须要有一个清楚的主词, 所以才会出现(D) (E)这种答案, 然而(E)是标准错误it指代前面提过主词, 所以错误, 因此选(D) the number is less than 1/4 that amount.

作者: cgaboyma 时间: 2005-8-5 13:04
41 D的错误在于比较的时候the amount 不如that amount可以清楚指代题中提到的数字，also the number and the amount 让人不知道这两个是制哪个数字

作者: xinfaxian 时间: 2005-8-8 16:36
本来选d的，看了大家的分析，现在觉得比较下来只有c对了。

作者: jaredyu 时间: 2005-8-10 20:41

第11题我第一次做的时候选了A，第二次选了C。不过现在明白了，答案应该是A。

A，我一开始和大家的思路不太一样，我考虑的是their有没有可能指代limits，后来推出很荒谬的结论。同时their又只能指代复数，那就只有指代code and haddock的份了。

C中很明显的错误就是用which来指代整个句子。

B，D，E都犯了同样的错误，unlike的结构不平行。

作者: ESeraph 时间: 2005-9-4 12:53

关于No.11。理由如下：

1。A的比较对象有问题.如果补全A应该是 "There are no legal limits, as there are (legal limits) for cod and haddock, on the size ofmonkfish that can be caught, ..."，这是在用there are no legal limits on the size of monkfish 和there are legal limits for cod and haddock比较，这是不一样的。因为there are legal limits for cod and haddock可以是别的limits，不一定是size.这样说主要是因为there are (legal limits) for cod and haddock在原句中是位于on the size ofmonkfish的前面，行文中不能从后面去推出前面的内容。

2。A中的their确实可以说是monkfish，但也可以说是cod,也可以是haddock，那么到底是什么呢？不明确。

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作者: jennyb 时间: 2005-9-12 22:05
41题绝对不能选b.因为few than 和as many as不能混用.另外一个贴子里,mindfree斑竹已经说的很清楚了

作者: miracle_tiger 时间: 2005-9-18 23:54

11：A

考点：parallel

1)there...as there;

2)N+that;N+that

作者: julietayue 时间: 2005-9-30 05:49

这道题和GWD7-4有点类似,大家可以比较一下(为什么用fewer而不用less)

D中quarter后面接名词要加of,可以查一下longman.

竟然发了两遍帖子,ft!

Q4:

Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings.

movies—less than those

movies—fewer than have been (B)

movies, which is less than those

movies, a number lower than the people

movies, fewer than the ones

When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000
existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
A. there are less than one-quarter that many
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount (C)
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount

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作者: leonchan 时间: 2005-10-12 01:25

以下是引用hitler999在2005-7-30 15:47:00的发言：

对41题

强悍！这样D绝对错了（不是有人不同意one-quarter of the amount才对）

作者: 爱睡觉的猫 时间: 2005-11-19 20:35

看了这么多讨论 41题终于可以定论了答案是C 我开始也选D 可后来想了想 THE NUMBER指代不清它逻辑上不是指句中SOME 4000 EXISED IN THE .... 而是指TODAY 中暗含的存在的数字

作者: shizhangsijie 时间: 2005-12-14 17:16

作者: wenson_zhou 时间: 2005-12-16 23:07

41题选B，

amount 不可数

less 不可数

fewer 可数

作者: urchinwang 时间: 2005-12-19 22:58

41题，我想大家的争论就在ACD里面了

首先，我要说fewer和less是不一样的，few一定是few的比较级，而less呢，是一个独立的单词，而且是副词，朗文的第一个解释就是；not so much：We go to Paris less fruquently now.如果是比较的话，这里连个最基本的比较对象都没有，太荒谬了吧，所以less只是一个表程度的副词。当然也可以表示litle的比较级，但是这个题里面不是。

二，number是不能用多、少来形容的，只能跟大小great large small，基本上就是这三个词

所以，C里面，fewer drive－ins 和amount比较，这是不对的，至少得在最后价格of XXX.

D里面，number犯了我说的第二点里面的错误，即不能用less来形容，要给为smaller。

对这个我很自信，Not open to discussion

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作者: Hyi_unicent 时间: 2006-2-4 11:55

如果选C, WHICH指LIMITES, 那么CONTRIBUTES也不对

作者: 五大老 时间: 2006-2-28 16:24

以下是引用青鸟在2004-7-11 13:26:00的发言：

11, 我认为应该选c，因为a中的 their和monkfish的单数不符合。

大家讨论。。。

fish是单复同型的

作者: luluQ 时间: 2006-10-14 07:44

Up LES!

单复数同形的名词 sheep,deer,fish,trout,aircraft,corps,grouse,salmon,swine等等要从上下文来判定其单复数念。（其中： fishes各类鱼， fruits各种水果）例如：

　　Sheep were killed one after another by a wolf in sheep’ s clothing－ only one sheep was left in the end.

　　Shortly afterwards he caught five fish, that(which) made him think the deep pool was the paradise of fishes.

作者: MaccMichAA 时间: 2006-10-21 14:54

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作者: redragon124 时间: 2006-11-24 14:56

C两个错误：

（1）which指代有错误；

（2）原句中that can be caught是修饰monkfish 的，但C向用于修饰cod and haddock，改变了原意

作者: ll_422 时间: 2007-8-9 11:18

D里面，number犯了我说的第二点里面的错误，即不能用less来形容，要给为smaller。

---I agree with these two. but can rule out D

作者: wsdoll 时间: 2007-9-28 14:14

41题：

老美论坛看到了。我又动摇选A了。

Post2ashish, i agree with your reasoning on question !. the reason why I reposted this here was because, almost all member who looked at this question at sentencecorrection.com were choosing fewer, stating that drive-in is a countable noun.
To me, I think the comaprison here is not on drive-ins but on the number.
So far as we cannot say that the number of people in this room is fewer than twenty, we should forget about using fewer in this question.

Anyway, what you want to know: yes, you are right that we generally use non-count modifiers (less, amount, much, etc.) when we are referring to percentages and fractions, even when those numbers refer to count nouns. The concept behind this is that we are focusing on the number itself, not on the things the number represents. And this case would be no exception.

This gets rid of B and C. Also, D and E are awkward or wordy, in addition to the some other problems.

So, let's address the last part of the underline--many or amount. In this case, since we are referring to a count noun, drive-ins, we should use a count modifier, many or number.

You were confused by that many; the that is a demonstrative and refers to the number 4,000 that was already mentioned in the sentence. Compare it to something like I didn't know that many people would show up.

The as many in B isn't quite right, either--we use as... as...for comparisons, and ETS usually wants us to have the other as in the sentence to make it grammatically complete.

作者: wsdoll 时间: 2007-9-28 14:23
大全937中说和修饰数字，用less than.

作者: yyisme 时间: 2007-10-14 13:36

查了，fish复数可以原形，monkfish这里指复数，各种大小的monkfish，所以their绝对没问题。

选A

作者: nemojia 时间: 2007-10-29 19:27

那NUMBER到底能不能用less来修饰啊```

作者: aqboy 时间: 2008-5-2 15:50

Number 可以用less 修饰

ETS的数学题目里面就有很多这种用法

作者: ricee 时间: 2008-5-17 15:10

C不太好，there be表自然存在，后面跟名词，这里的名词是amount，自然存在只有具体名词，而amount这样的抽象名词不适合。

D也不太好，number怎么和amount对应呢? one quarter缺了个of. 但前面是人数，后面的确是可以用the number,见例子：

OG11-4 A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation’s clergy, twice as much as 1977.

(A) twice as much as 1977

(B) twice as many as 1977

(A) twice as much as 1977

(B) twice as many as 1977

(D) double the figure for 1977 （D）

(E) a number double that of 1977’s

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作者: january_ye 时间: 2008-7-6 22:14
有没有41题的定论....

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