Q4: D
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, as the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
why not A?A看起来甚爽啊~~~~~3X
D
好像讨论过。
1)as 后面的句子里少了一个宾语,必须前面要有一个词来充当宾语;
2)three times 。。。 as 。。。不能接受。
看此题时,要学会如何跳过中间的", per milligram,"成份。
此题讨论过,http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&star=1&replyid=446917&id=52061&skin=0&page=1
看该帖子里的第3题。good luck.
这题讨论到最后没确切解释为什么选of what呀。。
有人能详细说说为什么选of what吗?我选C that.
谢谢。
这题讨论到最后没确切解释为什么选of what呀。。
有人能详细说说为什么选of what吗?我选C that.
谢谢。
我也觉得D有些问题,因为不知道这个what在这里做什么成分。如果后面没有“another product”的话,还可以理解为这个what为charge for的对象,可既然有了个完整的charge for something,这个what就实在不知是干什么的了。
如果D可以的话,E为什么不可以呢?charge for sth. of some prices, or charge for sth. at some prices?
请指教!
选C,that。of what不可以。如果用of what,从句里的what是price的数值,而price of 要求的宾语是price的对象。
price of the book 是对的,price of 2 $就是错的了。
有道理~ 谢谢tianwan
可是我觉得that在这里可有可无的啊,出于简洁考虑完全可以省掉的。是不是因为它比较其它好一点所以才选C的?并不是必要的吧?
那怎么解释E呢?
up, 大家对这个E怎么解释啊?如果说D的错误在于修饰矛盾,那which不会吧?直接指向price,且有个at,双重保障指向price,那怎么错呢?
想这道这个题多少分值,看似简单怎么这么有争议啊,考试的时候碰上它,我就别打算对了~
如果是C的话,请问that在后面定从中做什么成分那?
我觉得应该选E. the drug’s maker charges for another product.XX at price,>>>at which the.....
如果是C的话,请问that在后面定从中做什么成分那?
C中,that 指代price在定语从句中做charge的宾语。
我觉得应该选E. the drug’s maker charges for another product.XX at price,>>>at which the.....
个人感觉解决这道题主要看charge这个词的用法。我查了一下字典,找到一个例句:
That seaside hotel charges exorbitant prices during the summer holidays
说明charge是及物动词,可以直接带宾语,这样at which中的at 就没有存在的理由了。
选项D的问题是,what在这里从逻辑上只能指带price, 这样就变成了the price of price....
不知道表达清楚没有。请大家多指正。
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price(, per milligram, )that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
看到了吗,这里不是非限制性定语从句,出题者故意用逗号隔开讲句子结构打乱,迷惑了大家。
谢谢LEEON,不过我查遍了大全SC、CR、RC通通没有,that的用法啊,LEEON有碰到这样的栗子吗?
这种结构确实不多见,不过有一种非常常见的类似结构:
I think, however, that....
D! 代入後:A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, of what the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
提出關鍵部分就是:the price of what............. 這不是很通順嗎?其中what實際 = the price that ,避免重復並顧及習慣用法用what 引導的是一個從句。
說不出根據,只是感覺。請NN指正。
尽管很多牛牛支持选C 但是非限制性定语从句不能这么解释 所以还是选D
i think e is right, the price at which ..., at which is a prep modifier of "the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient."
the price that..., that seems to have nothing to modify
From Google:
...3 times the life of traditional transducers..
A Dream Three Times the Size of Texas...
这里用of 应该比较好, 指后面 一个品质,属性.
个人感觉, 这里what = how much 指的的是一个具体的数字,所以跟前面的price不重复.
So here:
...three times the price (, per milligram,) of.....
个人认为,D可行.
继续讨论!!! 有谁来定论一下!
参见刘振民精解中,名词性从句:同位语从句只能由that来引导,也就是说price只能用that来修饰; that在同位语中只起连词作用,没有具体词意,但GMAT考试中不能省略.
关于whaT从句,what从句可以看作是一个名词短语,大体有两种用法:
1. A1is to A2, what A3 is to A4 (A1与A2的关系就象A3与A4的关系)/ 2. what is now known as....原来的地名是...现在的是...
所以C正确
Yes, I think D is right.
three time of what... (and what means the price, whatever it uses at the end means only the price, )
on the other hand, three time that doesn't make sense.
E,
Charge could be an intransitive verb, and you can say ' charge sth at sth'. so, you can say ' charge for sth at a price'
C is not good: 1. ' , that ' 2. you can not say ' charge a price', can you?
我还是觉得D好~
因为前面提到three times the price
按照习惯搭配,XX times of
请指正
我觉得E对,因为感觉charge sb somemoney可以,但price不可以做charge的宾语,而应该是 charge sb for sth at a price, 下面是从朗文里找的例句:
charge something at something
Calls will be charged at 44p per minute
后面的44p per minute就是price,就是说如果改成Calls will be charged at a price of 44p per minute也是对的。
(A new hair-growing drug is being sold )(for three times the price )(of what the drug’s maker charges)( for another product )(with the same active ingredient.)
大家按上述方式读一下就知道了,答案是:D
不好意思我在33楼的发言是错的,GWD 5-29的逻辑中就直接出现了charge price for products的用法。
A. There is no significant difference among manufacturers of name-brand cereals in the prices they charge for their products.
D.Because of lower advertising costs, stores are able to offer their own brands of cereals at significantly lower prices than those charged for name-brand cereals.
我第一次做时选了D,并没在意,后来review的时候才发现网上对这题有这么激烈的讨论。
我刚问了一个native speaker, 他一口认定选C, the price that 是很popular的用法
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
我后来又琢磨了一下,highlight的部分补充为 for three times as high as the price that the drug's maker charges for 就更清楚了,that引导同位语从句修饰price
So, it is definitely C
选D,SOLD FOR THREE TIMES THE PRICE ( OF WHAT?)如果你不用去管后面的的句子,当一个人告诉你说这个东西的价格是三倍(你当然会问是什么的三倍),此处OF是限定,是限定什么东西的价格,而THAT从句是用来解释的,此处需要的是限定而不是解释。
那个NATIVE SPEAKER没学过GMAT语法吧,问他多点题,看他做得对吗?中国人做中文的语法也可能错。
忘了说,THE PRICE THAT,是POPULAR的用法,是修饰的用法,
THE PRICE OF STH,也是POPULAR的用法,是限定的用法,不能根据一个用法是不是POPULAR就叛定其是正确的,CONSIDER STH TO BE不是很POPULAR吗?据闻很多NATIVE SPEAKER(特别是老美)语法可是不怎么地
尽管很多牛牛支持选C 但是非限制性定语从句不能这么解释 所以还是选D
大家都以为这里的that是非限制修饰语而不选﹙C﹚
可是这个that真的是非限制修饰语吗?
再看一下这个结构
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
很明显的--, per milligram,--是插入结构,这应该没有异议吧!
对于插入结构,有两个必要修件,一是前后加逗号,二是可以舍去
那我们就把它舍去
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
这样大家还会认为它是非限制修饰语吗?
我不知道﹙C﹚对不对,但前面反对它对的原因看来是有些问题的。
再讨论
是 D 吧, 我们不说CHARGE FOR A PRICE, 我们一般会说,CHARGE FOR $3.
WHAT 的指代更好一些,记得OG 还是大全里有关于WAGE 和HOURLY RATE 的
比较和此体类似。
请NN们指教。
我还是觉得D好~
因为前面提到three times the price
按照习惯搭配,XX times of
请指正
和这个(three times…)没有关系,因为of what﹙or that﹚是引导后面的句子
4-4选﹙C﹚
原因
﹙C﹚
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
很明显的--, per milligram,--是插入结构,这应该没有异议吧!
对于插入结构,有两个必要修件,一是前后加逗号,二是可以舍去
那我们就把它舍去
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
这样就很好看了?
不选﹙D﹚的原因
…对…索价的用法
S1 charge price for sth.
例句:This store often charges only 65 US cents a dozen for large eggs.
我没有看到有接of这个介系词的用法
再讨论
我认为要表达句中的意思,有两种方式:
1,A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.(that 做price定于从句的引导词)
2,A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times of what the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.(用what替代the price, 引导名词性从句)
选项d错误的原因在于带回原句后,既有the price, 又有what,变成了the price of price。所以选c.
大家认为呢?
我投D一票
且看以下這個簡單的例句:The price of an apple is three times the price of a kiwi fruit.
此句又可簡化為:The price of an apple is three times of a kiwi fruit.
基本上 the price of A is XX times of B 是比較價格時的慣用法之一
再回到原題:A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price 後面必須接 of sth.
至於這個sth.是什麼呢?就是 what the drug's maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient. 這個waht除了引導子句外,也是當作charge的受詞用。
換句話說,sb. charge price for sth 的用法的確是對的,但是在這裡並不構成選C的理由
個人淺見,請大家指教。
(很抱歉我用繁體字,希望NN們不會閱讀得太吃力)
我感觉在表达倍数关系时有一种表达法是这样的:A is 3 times the size of B 那么在这句话里,应该是drug1 is being sold for 3 times the price of drug2, 那么如果把D选项带入,则what应该指代drug2 但是带入原句我们看到,what the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient. 这里的what明显相当于指代了the price(of drug2) ,这样的话,把这个what带入比较的句子中就会出现:drug1 is being sold for 3 times the price of (the price of drug2) 于是我看到出现重复了。
另一方面,我感觉在A is 3 times the size of B中,of B 的作用就是对the size的性质进行限制(表明是B的size),那么本题的c选项that从句也完全起到了这样的作用,尽管我还没有见过类似A is 3 times the size that……的结构,但是我还是支持选C
大家看呢
同意C,that引导定语从句。
"charge a price for sth." 是標準用法, 沒錯, 但那是 "charge a price for sth." 的用法, 不是 "price"的用法.
From LDOCE:
Price: the amount of money you have to pay for something
-- price of:
e.g.:The price of fuel keeps going up .
-- price for
We agreed on a price for the bike.
體會一下, 兩者表達的意思是不一樣的... 原句並沒有說 "charge"啊... D是對的
凭语感,选D
选D,SOLD FOR THREE TIMES THE PRICE ( OF WHAT?)如果你不用去管后面的的句子,当一个人告诉你说这个东西的价格是三倍(你当然会问是什么的三倍),此处OF是限定,是限定什么东西的价格,而THAT从句是用来解释的,此处需要的是限定而不是解释。
那个NATIVE SPEAKER没学过GMAT语法吧,问他多点题,看他做得对吗?中国人做中文的语法也可能错。
My two cents:
In the structure " the price of sth", sth means the stuff that worth this value. However, in D, "the price of what the manufacturers charge...", "what" actually refers to the amount the manufacturers charge for the drug. So, assume D is right, it become, "the price of the amount that manufacturers charge for the drug". Whatever you might think, I do believe the amount does not have a price.....
Meanwhile, I did not see any sign showing that the "of...." is modifying the "three times of". the "Price of" following "the three times of" already works as a modifier, if somebody does think that D is modifying the "three times", then it should be: "three times of the price, of what manufacturers charge for the drug....." Here "what" what is equivalent to the "price"..
My problem is chose from C or E, both sounds great. However in E, I really doubt whether we can say "Charge at"....
anyway, I will choose C in real exam, as I have not seen a conclusive answer so far....
May I conclude the discussion of this question:
The key to answering this question is the usage: ...charge + price(, e.g. 10USD) + for STH
The correct answer C: "the price (,per mg, ) that the DM charges for another product... " "that" 是 "charge"的受词。也就是说后半句是:the DM charges [the price] for…..
D, E 为何不行??
D: the price of STH,所以of what 中的what 指的是another product。错。
E at wich, which 指的是price,代进去看看就知道:the DM charges [at the price] for
i support C
charge price is idiomatic,what dose the "what" in D refer to?
D is akward, imprecise, wordy and unidiomatic
支持C
完全同意楼上几位NN的看法
我觉得这题是倍数的用法问题
three times + the + Noun Phrase
所以在这里就应该是 the price of sth.
sth.= what the drug's maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient
这道题目应当选C,支持D的都倾向于 price of sth 这个结构,但是这里的sth 已经由后面的介词for 带出来了,所以what 只能表示一定的价格, 但是这样的话,price of what(价格)逻辑上不通,显然用that 引导的从句比较好.
如果非要用what, 这句话可以改成 sth is sold for three times of what the drug's maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient
应该是d, three times of ...指三倍于 ,what 在这里代指 the price the drug's maker charges for another product 如果 选that 就没有比较的意思
应该是d, three times of ...指三倍于 ,what 在这里代指 the price the drug's maker charges for another product 如果 选that 就没有比较的意思
这里的结构不是three times of.而是price of。而且three times也不跟of,而是跟as much as,这里省略了as much as. X times sth.在语法中很常见。
price of sth.前面已经讨论过很久了,请仔细阅读前面的帖子。(what指代的是price,price of price错)
three times the price, per milligram, that ...
其中', per milligram," 作插入语,此时that前面跟逗号仍可以作为限定性定语从句。
如OG 24题的解释中有这段话:
"Only E, .... with an infinitive, to sign, that functions as a noun equivalent of..."
其中', to sign,'也是作为插入语,之后的that作为限定性定语从句引导词,事实上的结构是an infinitive that functions.
可见,"noun., 插入语,that + 限定性定语从句"是完全符合语法习惯的。以后看到逗号后面跟that不能轻易下结论。
最后再简单总结一下前面的观点,便于后来人阅读:
支持C的理由(that):
整句结构:"...three times (as much as) the price (插入语) that the drug's maker charges for another product..."
1。that 做限定性定语从句的引导词
2。charge (some money) for (something)
3。X times (as much as) A (as much as可省略)
反对D的理由(of what):
"...the price of what the drug's maker charges ..."
the price of sth 结构中sth.应该指某件物品。但此处what指代price, price of price错了
语感之所以觉得of what对,是因为price of用惯了,但必须注意逻辑,逻辑不对还是错。
反对E的理由(at which)
charge at (some price) for (something)不符合语法习惯。
欢迎讨论。
Q4:
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, as the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
选C的理由:
1. that 从句是定语从句修饰price, 其作用等于price of sth中的of sth, 起限定或修饰作用.
2. that指代price,在从句中作charge的直接宾语,符合charge的习惯用法: charge price(e.g.$10) for another product
不选D的理由:
what=sth that, sth 指price的对象比如the drug, that指代sth, 代回从句中作charge 的宾语,即charge sth(e.g.the drug) for another product, 这显然是不对的.
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
旗帜鲜明地支持C
我选c
the price of what,那么what 应该和price有所属关系,就是什么的价格
但是what maker changes for sth---
maker changer for 30dollar for the drug
所以what 就是30 dollar
那么the price of 30dollar 就不对了
我说的对吗?请指正
i vote for c.
in D, what是charge的宾语,charge后面应该跟一个"钱数",for example,3 dollars. 要用也应该用how much才跟准确,如果是price of what another product with the same active ingredient,还有点道理.
应该是c跟准确.
支持C,charge sth.(price) for sth.(商品),插入语不影响that引导限定性定从的使用
D错,of what唯一合理的理解是what表示商品,这样the price of what是一个整体,the drug's maker charges for ... 做定从修饰该整体,语法上讲得通,但是逻辑上有问题:what指代什么??
1)what指代后面的another product:
这样就产生了wordy的问题,charge for已经表明了price的所属,前面再加一个(the price) of what重复
2)what指代其他的东东(非句中的another product):
the drug's maker charges for ... 引导的定从的修饰对象是price,而不是what,对what起不了解释说明的作用,所以what显然does not make sense,应该换成其他的具体商品的名称,比如说anaesthetic。
但这样还是意思不好。不妨假设这里的another product是heroin,带入句中,就变成了the price of anaesthetics the drug's maker charges for heroins。到底是“毒品制造商就海洛因而索要的麻醉剂的价格”呢?还是“毒品制造商就海洛因而索要的价格”呢??显然后者的意思清楚,前者根本就是不知所云
E错,charge sth.(商品) at sth.(price)对,但是charge for sth.(商品) at sth.(price)就不对了,而此题选E的话,正是用了后一种表达。所以这些用法一定不能混淆
综上所述:
本题肯定选C,强烈建议版主把答案改过来!!!
支持,答案也不用改了,就是不要再回复帖子了,不要回下去又没完没了地谈论了。
以下是可以支持选d的例子,搜一下很多
The timber that was sold by competitive bidding went for something like three times or four times the price of what was sold at the appraised price and went just to the parties that had the checkerboard.enjoy coming to Thailand but cannot see my self coming to Pattaya again. I am simply sick and tired of having to pay 3-4 times the price of what Thai nationals pay.
Restaurants will often charge between two to five times the price of what a wine merchant may ask for an exceptional vintage.
there is broadband access but at three times the price of what it costs in Dublin.
支持C。
今天做到一道逻辑题目:突然想到可能对这题有帮助
请参考gwd-5-Q29中的选项D
Because of lower advertising costs, stores are able to offer their own brands of cereals at significantly lower prices than those charged for name-brand cereals.
sorry, I don't know how to delete my response.
c is right,
drug is being sold for three times the price that the drug's maker charges for another poduct with the same active ingredient,
恩???如果选C的话,请告诉我这个结构中的of能够省略么!???
this book is three times the length of that one。
如果选C,that引导的应该是关于Price的同位语从句吧??
比较倾向C。
看了这么多的讨论,个人也翻了很多资料和字典。还是觉得答案为C.
D错误的理由,这里补出 price of what,则what 做charge的宾语,可是本人翻了longman字典(纸张字典)发现charge的用法为charge sb (price) for sth,或 charge for.没有charge (price) for sth,所以 charge what(某一价格,如 50 dollars) for sth是错的。 E错的理由, longman上确实有charge something at something,不过没有charge for sth at price这种用法,也不会有这么麻烦的用法。 所以charge for another product at price用法不正确,也觉得很怪异。那么为什么选D?我觉得这里的price that的that引导同位语从句,that后面的一句句子,that不做成分。这里正好是three times the price that+同位语从句。
我不是nn,欢迎大家指正。如果觉得还可以就确定一下答案。
我选C。
of what中what是charges的宾语,相当于price。the price of price重复必错。如果一定要用what,则应去掉前面的the price,只能改成three times what the maker charges...,但per milligram没地方搁。
the price,per milligram,that...很舒服,不存在非限定修饰的问题。per milligram是插入成分。
that不省为好,若去掉,per milligram的插入意味就淡了,虽然意思都明白,但从行文上来说会不清晰,且有两个单句并列用逗号隔开之嫌。插入成分后的that,个人觉得,不省比省好,不省会直接表明与前面部分的关系,脉络清晰。
在google上找了些例句:
Their cost of expanding output, which is mostly the return on the needed investment, is a small fraction of the price that they charge for oil. (From MIT)
Typically, the price retailers charge for products are at least two to three times higher than what is paid to the producer.
"I think I need to go up on the price that I charge people," Olmstead said. "I think I have to pass the buck."
The exposure we received from our own press release was worth more than 50 times
the price that we charge for that service!
This program is easily worth 10 times the price that they charge for it.
I wanted to let you know that over the last few years, my husband and I have
purchased five of your company's self-help publications and have found each
one to be worth at least 100 times the actual price that you charge.
To comply, traditional auctioneers charge more than four to five times the price
that eBay charges sellers.
He suspects hundreds of thousands of these Americans could have paid their medical bills if they were not (literally) three times the price that the same hospitals charge their insured patients.
If private goods were provided like public services, the rich people in the
example, A1, A2 and B1, would have to pay ten times the price that is charged to
the poor people, A3, B2 and B3.
If people are paying three times the price that other veterinary practices are
charging, then they deserve to be ripped off. (From BBC)
There price was 10% lower and they sold accessories that I need at normal prices,
not the twice to three times the price that the Stores that had the camera at a
lower price was trying to sell them.
I have sold many of the items that I have bought from the Mackley auctions and
have realized five and six times the price that I paid.
Beer sells for three times the price that it does in the rest of the country.
of what 情况:
Instead I was forced to get tyres from the official BMW dealer in the city centre
and ended up paying three times the price of what we normally pay in South Africa
for Dunlop trail tyres that I do not even know anything about!
Yale spent $11 million on gas and fuel oil last year, but oil and gas are
selling for approximately three times the price of what they did last year.
I ended up selling the land and used every penny as a down payment on my new
house which is worth about 10 times the price of what I sold the land for.
This is 10 times the price of what locals pay.
So what if each hunk was ten times the price of what I previously paid for a
whole wedge?
In my constituency and in that of Deputy Donal Carey and throughout the mid-west
region, there is broadband access but at three times the price of what it costs
in Dublin.
Steady improvements are worth 10 times the price of what Microsoft has done in
the past 5 years.
我找不到of what 后使用charge的例子。请NN仔细分析这些例子,看看是否有代表性。
faint,google一下就好了,我不看了
引用
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leeon 的 A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price(, per milligram, )that the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
看到了吗,这里不是非限制性定语从句,出题者故意用逗号隔开讲句子结构打乱,迷惑了大家。
定语从句的指代词不是要紧跟中心词吗?所以这里的 AT WHICH 与 THAT 都错了,但是 OF WHAT 在句子中怎样用的?
Thank lfeng08908 for so many useful examples ,which persuade me to support C.
Especially,
This program is easily worth 10 times the price that they charge for it.
The structure of this sentence is just like what we have discussed .
其实这题选D
搜了一下google,统计一下:
Web search:
"times the price of what" :718 hits
"times the price that": 764
Book search:
"times the price of what" :10
"times the price that": 119
Scholar search:
"times the price of what":1
"times the price that": 17
看来that好些
肯定是C啦
D里面what是charge的宾语
charge sth for product
这里的sth必须是钱或者price,因为charge sth for sth 意思就是ask amount of money for goods or service
但是很明显这里的what又是price的主格,即price of what ,所以这里what又必须是一件物品不是钱
前半句要求what是一件物品不是钱,后半句又要求what是钱
显然矛盾
确定选c,建议改正答案. 虽然我作题目时选了d.
原因如下:
正确表达方法:
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times the price, per milligram, that
the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
or
A new hair-growing drug is being sold for three times what the drug’s maker charges for another product with the same active ingredient.
C too.
e.g:If people are paying three times the price that other veterinary practices are charging, then they deserve to be ripped off. (BBC News)
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