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作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-9 20:32
标题: 求助难题
已解决。谢谢。
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-9 20:59
2N/3: 0,1,2,3 不合格
N/5: 0,1 不合格
2N/15:0,1 不合格

全部n个产品里,刚好有2个不合格: 0+1+1; 1+1+0; 1+0+1; 2+0+0; total 4 possibilities
Total possibilities = 4*2*2=16 possibilities
Probability = 4/16 =1/4
作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-9 21:24
2N/3: 0,1,2,3 不合格
N/5: 0,1 不合格
2N/15:0,1 不合格

全部n个产品里,刚好有2个不合格: 0+1+1; 1+1+0; 1+0+1; 2+0+0; total 4 possibilities
Total possibilities = 4*2*2=16 possibilities
Probability = 4/16 =1/4
-- by 会员 sdcar2010 (2011/4/9 20:59:33)

非常谢谢你,不过题目是2n/3, 2n/5,n/5啊~我照你这个方法算是5/24,但是感觉不对,因为总的是n,2n/3+2n/5+n/5不等于n啊~还有神马算法吗?
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-9 22:01
The key is to figure out how to calculate the maximal number of bad products in (2N/15) products.

We know that every N/5 products have no more than 1 bad product. And we know that 2N/5, no more than 2. And 2N/3 , no more than 3. And 4N/5, no more than 4.

Therefore, (4N/5 - 2N/3) = 2N/15 will not have more than (4-3) = 1 bad product.

That's why I put 0, 1 for (2N/15) products!

2/3 + 1/5 + 2/15 = 1
作者: brisk827    时间: 2011-4-9 22:20
那可以請說明一下為何不是採納題目所給的 2N/5: 0,1,2 不合格?
若此用2N/15,題目所給2N/5的用意是?

感謝!
作者: barbiebear    时间: 2011-4-9 22:37
话说我看晕了~~~

但是继续请教SDcar,怎么我的思路里觉得这个逻辑有点点问题啊?
首先,你用的是We know that every N/5 products have no more than 1 bad product. And we know that 2N/5, no more than 2.
这里“每N/5 products have no....”和 “N/5 products have no ....."意思不一样啊,这样就等于换了概念
如果这里题目是表达每 N/5, 那么就不用告诉我们 2N/5 products have no more than 2了吧。

即使这里是  every N/5....., 那么你的解法里应该是用题目条件推出  4N/5, no more than 4. 如果可以这样推的话,那是不可以直接推N个里面have no more than 5呢?
这样子,按照你的解法思路,那就是
N:0,1,2, 3, 4, 5
有两个的就是 N里刚好有2, 一种possibility
那么一共有6种 possibilities
所以, 1/6

我知道这个思路完全错啦~~~ 但是我就这么想下来了,一坨浆糊!
大家指正


作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-9 22:40
我还是没看懂...555~~原谅我的智商问题...
作者: fengchen318    时间: 2011-4-9 22:43
同问~
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-9 22:54
话说我看晕了~~~

但是继续请教SDcar,怎么我的思路里觉得这个逻辑有点点问题啊?
首先,你用的是We know that every N/5 products have no more than 1 bad product. And we know that 2N/5, no more than 2.
这里“每N/5 products have no....”和 “N/5 products have no ....."意思不一样啊,这样就等于换了概念
如果这里题目是表达每 N/5, 那么就不用告诉我们 2N/5 products have no more than 2了吧。

即使这里是  every N/5....., 那么你的解法里应该是用题目条件推出  4N/5, no more than 4. 如果可以这样推的话,那是不可以直接推N个里面have no more than 5呢?
这样子,按照你的解法思路,那就是
N:0,1,2, 3, 4, 5
有两个的就是 N里刚好有2, 一种possibility
那么一共有6种 possibilities
所以, 1/6

我知道这个思路完全错啦~~~ 但是我就这么想下来了,一坨浆糊!
大家指正

-- by 会员 barbiebear (2011/4/9 22:37:56)





Good argument. For this question, I prefer to have A has not more than 3, B has no more than 2, c has no more than 1, and A+B+C =N.  Then the things would become quite easy. Unfortunately 2/3 + 2/5 >1. So we cannot simply plug in those numbers.

Then the question is how to get the N exactly!

Basically 2N/5 and N/5 talk about the same thing. You just treat these two conditions as the same.

Then you have to plug in the 2N/3 condition. Now we are limited to ONLY 2N/3 and N/5. The difference between them and N is 2N/15. We need to know what is the POSSIBLE maximum number of products that are bad in 2N/15 products! One (1) is the answer as I just deduced above. It cannot be more than 1.

As to why not use ONLY 2N/5 and N/5 conditions, the reason is that you are omitting the 2N/3 condition by limiting yourself to 2N/5 and N/5!
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-9 22:59
So the take home message is the following:

Figure out how to have A has no more than a bad products, B has no more than b bad products, C has no more than c bad products, and A+B+C =N. Most likely you will have to calculate the last condition from the combination of the first two.

It's rather simple if you follow this route.
作者: barbiebear    时间: 2011-4-9 23:05
谢谢!我不 argument了,我严格follow那个 route
作者: brisk827    时间: 2011-4-9 23:16
sorry I still cannot understand.
why " Now we are limited to ONLY 2N/3 and N/5" but not to limit to "2N/3 and 2N/5?",
in this way, the difference between them and N will be different and can we still have the same conclusion u just mentioned?

thanks!
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-9 23:40
2/3 + 2/5 > 1

And 1/5 and 2/5 talk about the same probability.
作者: carvinhuang    时间: 2011-4-10 14:36
sdcar~~~~麻烦 拜托~~~~~~~能用中文解释一下这条题目吗?

我做题做得头晕晕的,看英文实在看不进去啊~~~
作者: carvinhuang    时间: 2011-4-10 14:41
So the take home message is the following:

Figure out how to have A has no more than a bad products, B has no more than b bad products, C has no more than c bad products, and A+B+C =N. Most likely you will have to calculate the last condition from the combination of the first two.

It's rather simple if you follow this route.
-- by 会员 sdcar2010 (2011/4/9 22:59:38)

这道题请用中文解释一下好吗????
作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-10 15:47
求确定答案,我背下来!
作者: zhangyina    时间: 2011-4-10 16:08
求中文解答。。。
作者: sdcar2010    时间: 2011-4-10 21:44
愚见如下:
这道题就是说有N件产品,其中1)2N/3的产品里最多3个不合格,2)2N/5的产品里最多2个不合格,3)N/5的产品里最多1个不合格。求在全部N个产品里,刚好有2个不合格的概率。

我的理解是每个产品都有同样的概率成为不合格。这样的话,条件2)和3)讲的是一回事儿。你要顺推的话,可以得出4)3N/5的产品里最多3个不合格,5)4N/5的产品里最多4个不合格,5)N 的产品里最多5个不合格。

但是我们不能忘了用第一个条件1)2N/3的产品里最多3个不合格,而条件2)至6)讲的是一回事儿。所以我们现有的条件是:A)2N/3的产品里最多3个不合格,B)N/5的产品里最多1个不合格。你算一下就知道还有(N - 2N/3 - N/5)= 2N/15 的产品我们不知道最多有几个不合格产品。

既然每个产品都有同样的概率成为不合格,5)4N/5的产品里最多4个不合格,而且1)2N/3的产品里最多3个不合格,那么两式相减 7)2N/15的产品里最多(4-3)= 1 个不合格。

小结一下,我们现有的条件变成:A)2N/3的产品里最多3个不合格,B)N/5的产品里最多1个不合格,C)2N/15的产品里最多1个不合格。

然后列举一下每部分可能出现的情况:
A)2N/3的产品里不合格:0,1,2,3,共4种可能;
B)N/5的产品里个不合格:0,1,共2种可能;
C) 2N/15的产品里不合格:0,1,共2种可能。
那么所有可能出现的情况有4×2×2=16种可能。

其中刚好有2个不合格的情况是(2,0,0)(1,1,0)(0,1,1)(1,0,1)四种。

全部N个产品里,刚好有2个不合格的概率=4/16=1/4
作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-11 22:31
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/250983556.html
作者: dengts    时间: 2011-4-11 22:36
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/250983556.html
-- by 会员 清月依云 (2011/4/11 22:31:01)


我问的。。。
作者: 清月依云    时间: 2011-4-11 23:41
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/250983556.html
-- by 会员 清月依云 (2011/4/11 22:31:01)



我问的。。。
-- by 会员 dengts (2011/4/11 22:36:52)

呵呵 原来都是cders啊
作者: wanmei0611    时间: 2011-4-12 21:21
牛 我就记五分之一了啊啊 不管了 希望不要碰上这道题




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