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标题: OG12 21—分词短语逻辑上不做伴随，修饰主语OR就近修饰？无比困惑——为什么还是没有解答...求指教 [打印本页]

作者: courtdancer 时间: 2011-3-24 16:13
标题: OG12 21—分词短语逻辑上不做伴随，修饰主语OR就近修饰？无比困惑——为什么还是没有解答...求指教
关于这道题看了很多很多解释，也很明白题目的意图
但是还有些其他疑问希望得到解决，不知道大家有没有注意到OG中的D选项
Neuroscientists have amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.

OG当中对于D选项的解释
The final descriptor in present tense, now drawing conclusions … does not fit the opening clause, which is in present-perfect tense (have amassed a wealth …) and seems to modify adulthood.

前半句没有任何疑问，但是黑体字部分我就confuse了
subject+ have done +object, ing ......
这种句式，如果ing在时态和逻辑上不能表示伴随，按道理说应该作为主语的修饰语
难道这个时候ing在语法上还能作为object的修饰么？
看OG对于D选项解释的意思应该是ing结构 seems在就近修饰
然后，PREP里对于这道题这个选项的解释是
“由于V-ing短语无法伴随修饰现在完成时，所以就只能做定语，也即就近修饰最近的adulthood”
但是V-ing如果时态和逻辑上不是作为状语表示伴随修饰整句话，那就应该作为定语修饰主语，也就是subject
难道还能够就近修饰？

但是在OG12 1中有个选项
The Glass House Mountains in Queensland, Australia, were sighted in 1770 by the English navigator Captain James Cook, naming them supposedly since their sheer wet rocks glistened like glass.

这里OG解释的口径好像又不同了
As the object of a preposition and not the subject of the clause, James Cook does not work as the noun that the verbal phrase beginning with naming can describe; the preposition since loses the important causal logic of the sentence.

这里的naming为什么就不能作为就近修饰呢？

我实在无法理解

望得到满意的解释
并且帮我区分一下到底V-ing什么时候修饰主语，什么时候会有就近修饰的歧义

作者: courtdancer 时间: 2011-3-24 17:33
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作者: chenhongwen1 时间: 2011-3-24 19:46
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作者: courtdancer 时间: 2011-3-24 21:32
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作者: blcubeatrice 时间: 2011-3-27 05:40
把完整的题发上来啊

作者: yiran1027 时间: 2011-4-3 19:16
这两个题我也一直在困惑中~~求大牛解答~~~~顶起来哇~~~

作者: joyous314 时间: 2011-4-28 11:01
明白了为什么DE不对，可就是对og上D的解释很困惑，为什么og上说这里的now drawing是修饰adulthood？
V-ing做伴随不是有两种用法吗
1.表结果，没有逻辑主语，即修饰前面整句
2.伴动作，即逻辑主语就是该分次主语，与主语发生的动作同时发生

作者: joyous314 时间: 2011-4-28 11:04
<Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are> now drawing solid conclusions about how the human brain grows and how babies acquire language.
(A) Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood, are
(B) Neuroscientists, having amassed a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are
(C) Neuroscientists amassing a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood over the past twenty years, and are
(D) Neuroscientists have amassed a wealth of knowledge over the past twenty years about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,
(E) Neuroscientists have amassed, over the past twenty years, a wealth of knowledge about the brain and its development from birth to adulthood,
帮楼主贴题希望得到好心人的解答！

作者: ll15006186396 时间: 2011-5-11 20:14
再顶起..请大牛来解答啊....

作者: lovepunch 时间: 2011-5-11 21:13
先要赞一下，能问到这个程度至少说明懂得很多了~加油！
之前也深究过类似问题，关于-ing分词到底是先做状语还是先做定语，什么时候有会引起歧义。有些懂了，有些先放下以后再说，放着放着就懂了。
根据jaze同学对GWD2-Q4的解答：V-ing(present participle)修饰：2) 放在句子末尾时，如果前面是主谓宾结构，如果同时时态上与主句搭配不合理，V-ing结构作定语修饰前面名词。
以上语法点说明如果-ing的时态和主句不同，那么就只能做定语修饰紧接在前面的名词。

此外，“subject+ have done +object, ing ......
这种句式，如果ing在时态和逻辑上不能表示伴随，按道理说应该作为主语的修饰语”
这个讲法我持保留意见，-ing分词做伴随有两种情况：1）伴随动作、状态、功能，逻辑主语为主句主语，也就是你这里讲得subject；2）伴随结果，修饰整个句子，无逻辑主语。
因此，如果-ing分词表伴随的话，就只能做定语紧接修饰前一个名词（这里暂不考虑跳跃修饰情况）

所以，无论是OG的解释seems to modify adulthood.还是PREP的解释“由于V-ing短语无法伴随修饰现在完成时，所以就只能做定语，也即就近修饰最近的adulthood”，都是对的，核心考点在于时态不一致。（但是，我始终没有理解什么叫做does not fit the opening clause，找了半天也没查到什么是opening clause)

关于楼主的这个问题：“这里OG解释的口径好像又不同了
As the object of a preposition and not the subject of the clause, James Cook does not work as the noun that the verbal phrase beginning with naming can describe; the preposition since loses the important causal logic of the sentence.这里的naming为什么就不能作为就近修饰呢？”

这里不是说为什么不能就近修饰，而是确实产生了歧义。又能作状语又能作定语的-ing分词是我们必须排除的（但是在某些非修饰语考点的题里也能找到例外，要辩证~）
举个例子OG105.
Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, capitalized on her keen observation and love of the natural world.
(A) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives,
(B) In her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(C) In her book illustrations, which she carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(D) Carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations
(E) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinated them with her narratives and
选项A和B之所以错很关键就是因为-ing分词即可做定语又可做状语，从而产生了歧义。

讲了这么多，可能有不对或不到位的地方，还望大牛们指正！
复习SC这么久了，还是会有很多很多很多不懂的地方，今天做GWD8里18道SC就错了8道，真是要绝望了~
但是还是要坚持！加油！共勉共勉齐努力~！！

作者: 陈星澍 时间: 2011-5-11 21:14
第二题的出处在哪啊？

作者: lovepunch 时间: 2011-5-11 21:18

第二题的出处在哪啊？

-- by 会员陈星澍 (2011/5/11 21:14:37)

第二题？The Glass House Mountains 这题是OG12-1的~

作者: kingarthur00 时间: 2011-5-11 23:14

先要赞一下，能问到这个程度至少说明懂得很多了~加油！
之前也深究过类似问题，关于-ing分词到底是先做状语还是先做定语，什么时候有会引起歧义。有些懂了，有些先放下以后再说，放着放着就懂了。
根据jaze同学对GWD2-Q4的解答：V-ing(present participle)修饰：2) 放在句子末尾时，如果前面是主谓宾结构，如果同时时态上与主句搭配不合理，V-ing结构作定语修饰前面名词。
以上语法点说明如果-ing的时态和主句不同，那么就只能做定语修饰紧接在前面的名词。

此外，“subject+ have done +object, ing ......
这种句式，如果ing在时态和逻辑上不能表示伴随，按道理说应该作为主语的修饰语”
这个讲法我持保留意见，-ing分词做伴随有两种情况：1）伴随动作、状态、功能，逻辑主语为主句主语，也就是你这里讲得subject；2）伴随结果，修饰整个句子，无逻辑主语。
因此，如果-ing分词表伴随的话，就只能做定语紧接修饰前一个名词（这里暂不考虑跳跃修饰情况）

所以，无论是OG的解释seems to modify adulthood.还是PREP的解释“由于V-ing短语无法伴随修饰现在完成时，所以就只能做定语，也即就近修饰最近的adulthood”，都是对的，核心考点在于时态不一致。（但是，我始终没有理解什么叫做does not fit the opening clause，找了半天也没查到什么是opening clause)

关于楼主的这个问题：“这里OG解释的口径好像又不同了
As the object of a preposition and not the subject of the clause, James Cook does not work as the noun that the verbal phrase beginning with naming can describe; the preposition since loses the important causal logic of the sentence.这里的naming为什么就不能作为就近修饰呢？”

这里不是说为什么不能就近修饰，而是确实产生了歧义。又能作状语又能作定语的-ing分词是我们必须排除的（但是在某些非修饰语考点的题里也能找到例外，要辩证~）
举个例子OG105.
Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, capitalized on her keen observation and love of the natural world.
(A) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives,
(B) In her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(C) In her book illustrations, which she carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(D) Carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations
(E) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinated them with her narratives and
选项A和B之所以错很关键就是因为-ing分词即可做定语又可做状语，从而产生了歧义。

讲了这么多，可能有不对或不到位的地方，还望大牛们指正！
复习SC这么久了，还是会有很多很多很多不懂的地方，今天做GWD8里18道SC就错了8道，真是要绝望了~
但是还是要坚持！加油！共勉共勉齐努力~！！

-- by 会员 lovepunch (2011/5/11 21:13:57)

谁能浓缩下lovepunch 的帖子什么意思呢？实在抱歉，偶没大看懂！我很想知道他的意思~

对于SVO,DOING 中的doing的确是有修饰O的可能性的。

作者: ciro 时间: 2011-7-18 19:15

-- by 会员 lovepunch (2011/5/11 21:13:57)

谁能浓缩下lovepunch 的帖子什么意思呢？实在抱歉，偶没大看懂！我很想知道他的意思~

对于SVO,DOING 中的doing的确是有修饰O的可能性的。

-- by 会员 kingarthur00 (2011/5/11 23:14:06)

同求浓缩，没太看懂啊，而且感觉og上说的也不是很明白啊~

作者: lovepunch 时间: 2011-10-27 19:41

-- by 会员 lovepunch (2011/5/11 21:13:57)

半年后的我完全不懂半年前的我在说什么。。不知所云啊。。。
OG105
Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, capitalized on her keen observation and love of the natural world.
(A) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives,
(B) In her book illustrations, carefully coordinating them with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(C) In her book illustrations, which she carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter
(D) Carefully coordinated with her narratives, Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations
(E) Beatrix Potter, in her book illustrations, carefully coordinated them with her narratives and

E为什么错？~！求大牛解答！！

作者: Periwinkle 时间: 2011-12-7 13:39
1.第一道题， lovepunch 解释到位了。
2. 第二道题The Glass House Mountains in Queensland, Australia, were sighted in 1770 by the English navigator Captain James Cook, naming them supposedly since their sheer wet rocks glistened like glass.
出了歧义之一说法，我觉得GMAT中出现之一句型，往往优先做状语，只有行不通时才做定语。而且此处JC是在一个介宾短语中的宾语，修饰不到。
3.OG105 A,B 的歧义主要是由于V-ing的位置，夹心修饰造成的。
4. E选项也是修饰不明确吧。

个人观点，欢迎拍砖

-- by 会员 lovepunch (2011/5/11 21:13:57)

-- by 会员 lovepunch (2011/10/27 19:41:54)

作者: 潇湘妃子zwhj 时间: 2012-3-6 20:33
同求OG12-21里D的解释：does not fit the opening clause的意思？

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