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作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-5-29 10:24
标题: OG-63 没有人讨论过这题?

OG 63


Traditionally, decision-making by managers that is reasoned step-by-step has been considered preferable to intuitive decision-making, However, a recent study found that top manages used intuition significantly more that did most middle-or lower-level managers. This confirms the alternative view that intuition is actually more effective that careful, methodical reasoning.


A.      Methodical, step-by-step reasoning is inappropriate for making many real-life management decisions.


B.      Top managers have ability to use either intuitive reasoning or methodical, step-by-step reasoning making decisions.


C.      The decisions made by middle-and lower-level managers can be made as easily by using methodical reasoning as by using intuitive reasoning


D.     Top managers use intuitive reasoning in making the majority of their decisions.


E.      Top managers are more effective at decision-making than middle-or lower-level managers



E是答案没问题. 但请大家讨论下B, D. 我觉得OG的解释不明.


B:OG说leave open the possibility. 什么意思? 指该条件默认?如果这个条件不满足, 例如Top managers只能用intuitive, 而Middle-or lower-level只能用methodical, 那么比较这两种方法将毫无意义..


D: 是最麻烦的. 举个量化的例子:


                                     intuitive          methodical            total


Top managers                4                   6                           10


Middle-or lower-level    1                   9                            10



Top managers共做10个决定, 有4个用intuitive reasoning;  Middle-or lower-level managers 也做10个决定, 有1个用intuitive reasoning. 4:1, 满足significantly more的题目条件. 但如果Top managers用methodical, step-by-step reasoning做了剩下的6个决定, 能得出结论:  Intuition is actually more effective that careful, methodical reasoning?



除非: 剩下的决定不是用 methodical法做的. 但题目的意思显然将两种办法对立起来了.



欢迎大家讨论.



(今天我一天就折腾这两道题...什么时候才能上岸?...)



作者: mindfree    时间: 2004-5-29 12:07

You definitely went far in this question. I try to explain:

using your example, if the top managers use intuition 40% of the time and get 40% of their decisions right, and middle- and lower-level managers use intuition 10% of the time and get 10% correct decisions, the argument is well supported while D is violated.


作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-5-29 15:17

Thank you, mindfree NN

Now I learnt  that to being effective, we need a higher ratio of success, not highter number that this method was used, no matter who uses it.

BTW, OG explains B option like this: "Since the argument leaves open the possibility of situations in which top managers are unbale to use one of the methods, choice B is inappropriate."   I guess that "leaves open the possibility" means this possibility is not involved, so it's irrelative, isn't it?

thanks again.

I really appreciate it.


作者: GreenHorse    时间: 2004-5-30 08:20
leave open是放着那个可能性不管
作者: mindfree    时间: 2004-5-30 10:32
"Leaves open the possibility" means "it is possible that...". So it means the argument does not rule out the possibility that top managers only use one method.
作者: 叮当    时间: 2004-5-30 12:51
Mindfree, Good explanation!
作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-5-30 13:47

hi, guys, thanks

I felt depressing. All the arguments are separateing parts in my eyes. I cannot find their internal relations. For almost every sentence as well as every option, I have to spend much time to understand their logic meanings. But now I feel encouraging. Maybe what I need are more practices.


作者: scots    时间: 2004-5-31 02:53

HOHO~~ dear liu, you just think too much about each choice and its potential relationship to the key points. But from my undersanding, ETS never let this potential relationship work. At the beginning, I made the same mistakes with you from time to time. So..just relax..and cheer up!!


Although my logic is NOT as good as many NNs', I still insist my own opinion and wanna share it with you. I only pay attention to the most correct answer and the second one when reviewing CR. Since ETS only think over these two choices. The left three choices are meaningless both for ETS and for me. Save your time and do sth. else more meaningful..such as...chatting with me...hahahahahahahahaha~~~~~~~~~~~


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作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-5-31 07:25

oh, dear scots MM,

I cannot agree with you. Many NNs said they can tell you every option of OG 205 why it is wrong or right. Maybe it doesn't fit to you. But for me, I have to use this step-by-stey method.

Anyway, thank. remember: see you in US!


作者: scots    时间: 2004-5-31 22:40
It's really not suitable for me..I'm a lazy and impatient person~~~
作者: horsefish    时间: 2004-8-20 23:02

Hi MIndfree, 见到你在网上, 想问问这个题的OG解释选项D


OG解释:The argument is consistent with managers at all levels using intuition in the minority of decisions made. Thus, choices D is inappropriate.


这么理解对否:这个选项其实是out of scope, 所以不是assumption.谢谢!!!



OG 63


Traditionally, decision-making by managers that is reasoned step-by-step has been considered preferable to intuitive decision-making, However, a recent study found that top manages used intuition significantly more that did most middle-or lower-level managers. This confirms the alternative view that intuition is actually more effective that careful, methodical reasoning.


A.      Methodical, step-by-step reasoning is inappropriate for making many real-life management decisions.


B.      Top managers have ability to use either intuitive reasoning or methodical, step-by-step reasoning making decisions.


C.      The decisions made by middle-and lower-level managers can be made as easily by using methodical reasoning as by using intuitive reasoning


D.     Top managers use intuitive reasoning in making the majority of their decisions.


E.      Top managers are more effective at decision-making than middle-or lower-level managers



E是答案


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作者: mindfree    时间: 2004-8-20 23:27
I am not sure whether it is out of scope. It is not very clear cut in this question. I only ask myself "does the top managers have to use ...in majority of their decisions?" If not, D is not correct.
作者: horsefish    时间: 2004-8-21 21:19

谢谢MINDFREE.

(我的mind就是固定的, )


作者: colleen    时间: 2004-8-21 22:52

Using bridge relationship, you will believe e is correct.


作者: KATIEUS    时间: 2006-11-11 19:10

TO ALL THE FIRENDS WHO HAVE PROBLEMS  WITH D

本题FOCUS ON EFFETIVE DECISIONS

NOT ON THE PROPORTION OF TIME 。


作者: amorela    时间: 2008-8-8 14:04

顶顶.


作者: mucully    时间: 2009-2-24 03:56
个人理解,NN们指正:

A(事实):比起MIDDLE.LOW经理,TOP经理用INTUITION更多
B(推论):INTUITION优于METHODICAL
假设:TOP经理的决策优于MIDDLE LOW经理(TOP只是官衔大,跟决策优劣无关。昏君是皇上,但决策都是昏的(劣)的。)

D选项:强调TOP经理用INTUITION做大部分决策,但没有明确做的决策一定是优的,所以不选.(同“昏君”例子)

作者: mucully    时间: 2009-2-24 10:10
d选项个人理解:

D取非: Top managers use
intuitive reasoning in making the minority of their decisions.
conclusion:
alternative view that intuition is actually more
effective
than careful, methodical reasoning.

MINORITY和EFFECTIVE是俩概念,用的INTUITION次数少未必说明它不有效,有效的也未必就用的次数多(可能使用条件比较苛刻),所以两者是既不充分也不必要,谁也推不出来谁,无法WEAKEN。

这题我觉得是ETS考了一个思维误区:好的一定是多的。大概这里就是狒狒说的“白痴原则”,应该严格按照逻辑走。

菜鸟一枚,请指正。

作者: mucully    时间: 2009-2-24 10:12
d选项个人理解:

    

D取非: Top managers use
intuitive reasoning in making the minority of their decisions.

conclusion:
alternative view that intuition is actually more
effective
than careful, methodical reasoning.

        

MINORITY和EFFECTIVE是俩概念,用的INTUITION次数少未必说明它不有效,有效的也未必就用的次数多(可能使用条件比较苛刻),所以两者是既不充分也不必要,谁也推不出来谁,无法WEAKEN。

        

这题我觉得是ETS考了一个思维误区:好的一定是多的。大概这里就是狒狒说的“白痴原则”,应该严格按照逻辑走。

        

菜鸟一枚,请指正。

    

作者: mucully    时间: 2009-2-24 10:12
d选项个人理解:


                

D
取非:
minority of their decisions.

conclusion

        
alternative view that intuition is actually more
effective
than careful, methodical reasoning.

            

MINORITY
EFFECTIVE是俩概念,用的INTUITION次数少未必说明它不有效,有效的也未必就用的次数多(可能使用条件比较苛刻),所以两者是既不充分也不必要,谁也推不出来谁,无法WEAKEN

                

            
这题我觉得是ETS考了一个思维误区:好的一定是多的。大概这里就是狒狒说的白痴原则,应该严格按照逻辑走。

                

            
菜鸟一枚,请指正。



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作者: AnnieFFish    时间: 2016-8-23 15:31
思维误区:好的一定是多的

楼上的棒棒棒
作者: AnnieFFish    时间: 2016-8-23 15:44
突然想明白了

如果不说 top M 在做决策时比 middle-or lower lever M 更有效的话

换句话说:如果top M用直觉做决策,结果老是错的,那怎么能说明直觉更有效呢。(这样一想我终于说服自己了)

对D的理解也可以这么想:就算top M 的大部分决策都是靠直觉,但如果结果老是错的,也不能说明直觉更有效






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