其中一个连接里C用的是number。When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950's, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount
答案是C。
我选了B。虽然觉得B中的as many怪怪的。
但the amount可以用在这里吗？amount不是多用于不可数名词的量吗？请指正。谢谢先了.
查了longman，
However, people often use amount with plural countable nouns when what they are talking about is thought of as a group: We didn't expect such a large amount of people. | an enormous amount of problems
这个能作为这题选C的理由吗？请指教。
顶，我对这道题也有同样的疑惑。
偶选B，此题讨论过，找不到了。
I asked mindfree this problem several days ago in CR board. mindfree NN held an online problem-solving section several days ago.
dashasha：mindfree’s opinion of this one？
tianwan: 我也选B.不过我不是很理解其中的as many.这你怎么看?能说说吗?
dashasha: mindfree 对这题的看法是怎么样的? 能说说吗?
谢谢了.
as many (as existed in the late 1950's).
偶觉得B的一个问题是一方面说fewer than one quarter, 一方面又说as many
想到一点, 可以说twice as many/much as, 但是可以说fewer than twice as many/much as么?
大家多多讨论吧
tianwan,我不觉得as many (as existed...) 的括号部分可省略. 省略的原则是什么呢?有见过这样的例子吗?
谢谢先了.
When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950's, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many.
B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many
C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount
D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount
E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount
答案是C。
我选了B。虽然觉得B中的as many怪怪的。
但the amount可以用在这里吗？amount不是多用于不可数名词的量吗？请指正。谢谢先了.
D omits a preposition "of", the correct expression should be "the number is less than one-quater of the amount"
B "as many as" cannot be omittd as "as many"
To be discussed....
Summary of comparison:
the number increased by twice错｜｜the number increase by 10 percent对
the number doubled对||the number has increased N times错
students are as many as those were...对|| students doubled 错
All of the expression can be traced to OG problems
It's more expensive than it was last time but not as good(as it was last time).
章振邦《新编英语语法》P1452
Longman中关于as many 的用法：
as many
a number that is equal to another number
They say the people of Los Angeles speak 12 languages and teach just as many in the schools.
我觉得B中as many指代不清。
下面是mindfree 关于这道题的解释：
I picked C myself when I saw this question a while ago. Both "as many as" and "fewer than" are used for comparison. And they do not have the same meaning and should not be used at the same time. One extra point for this question: "fewer" should be used here. But we see some questions that use "less" for nouns such as pounds. For example, he weighs 180 pounds, less than half of Tom. Personally I think the reason is that the weight is not separable. We cannot count out one pound after another. Therefore we use less. Any comment?
Amount here is the same as number. When use "amount of", it can only be followed by uncountable nouns.
I said what I could. "fewer than" and "as many" are contradictory. People simply do not say that. Why wrong? Why "consider sth. as sth." is wrong?
Amount here equals number. When we say "a large amount of money", amount cannot be replaced by number. One example from the dictionary: "an annual output to the amount of 100,000 tons"
以前的讨论：
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&replyID=416877&id=49290&skin=0
http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardid=23&id=43426
谢谢LES给的mindfree的解释和link。其中一个连接里C用的是number。
本贴楼主提供的C是amount。我还是觉得amount不能代替可数的数量，应该是看到amount就剔出CDE。是不是C应该用number？
这里偶觉得number 和amount都可以，因为他代表是一个数字，一个抽象概念。
下面是《美国传统辞典》上关于amount 的一条解释：A number; a sum.
所以说这里amount只是指代4,000这个数字。
据说答案是C，可我觉得答案是B，请问MINDFREE牛牛的看法？谢谢！
I picked C myself when I saw this question a while ago. Both "as many as" and "fewer than" are used for comparison. And they do not have the same meaning and should not be used at the same time. One extra point for this question: "fewer" should be used here. But we see some questions that use "less" for nouns such as pounds. For example, he weighs 180 pounds, less than half of Tom. Personally I think the reason is that the weight is not separable. We cannot count out one pound after another. Therefore we use less. Any comment?
谢谢牛牛指点，我的问题是，为什么B不对呢？前面说DRIVE-IN，应该是可数名词，可是C里面用了AMOUNT，不是代表不可数名词的吗？请继续指正。
Amount here is the same as number. When use "amount of", it can only be followed by uncountable nouns.
不好意思，我还是没有被CONVINCED。1，为什么B错？2，C里面ONE QUARTER OF THAT AMOUNT，请问这里AMOUNT指什么？不是指DRIVE-IN的数量吗？DRIVE-IN是可数名词，当然应该用NUMBER了啊。请继续指正，谢谢。
I said what I could. "fewer than" and "as many" are contradictory. People simply do not say that. Why wrong? Why "consider sth. as sth." is wrong?
Amount here equals number. When we say "a large amount of money", amount cannot be replaced by number. One example from the dictionary: "an annual output to the amount of 100,000 tons"
不好意思，MINDFREE牛牛，我现在被CONVINCED了B是错误的，可是C也不正确啊。你举的例子，a large amount of money里面，money是不可数名词，所以可以用a large amount of来修饰。第二个例子，output也是个概述性质的名词，比如可以指代water，那么water的量用amount来代表也是正确的。你的意思是amount和number可以互换吗？请指正。
以上是当时我跟MINDFREE牛牛的讲话记录，请大家继续讨论。
这里偶觉得number 和amount都可以，因为他代表是一个数字，一个抽象概念。
下面是《美国传统辞典》上关于amount 的一条解释：A number; a sum.
所以说这里amount只是指代4,000这个数字。
这里偶觉得number 和amount都可以，因为他代表是一个数字，一个抽象概念。
下面是《美国传统辞典》上关于amount 的一条解释：A number; a sum.
所以说这里amount只是指代4,000这个数字。
LSEmm正中要害
这道题目很容易
两部
一 可数名词所以用FEW不能用LESS
二 比较的是具体的数字所以用amount(就是figure number的意思而不是an amount of中修饰不可数表许多的意思！）
就做出来了啊
谁选B了！！？？
要是我学生选B不被我打才怪！
：“说了多少次了，比较级不能混用！，有了fewer less than怎么还能用as啊，more than 和as as不能混用！这样怎么去考试！”
哈哈偶对学生还是比较凶的
没办法不严格不出高分
晕
LSEmm正中要害
这道题目很容易
两部
一 可数名词所以用FEW不能用LESS
二 比较的是具体的数字所以用amount(就是figure number的意思而不是an amount of中修饰不可数表许多的意思！）
就做出来了啊
谁选B了！！？？
要是我学生选B不被我打才怪！
：“说了多少次了，比较级不能混用！，有了fewer less than怎么还能用as啊，more than 和as as不能混用！这样怎么去考试！”
哈哈偶对学生还是比较凶的
没办法不严格不出高分
晕
LSEmm正中要害
这道题目很容易
两部
一 可数名词所以用FEW不能用LESS
二 比较的是具体的数字所以用amount(就是figure number的意思而不是an amount of中修饰不可数表许多的意思！）
就做出来了啊
谁选B了！！？？
要是我学生选B不被我打才怪！
：“说了多少次了，比较级不能混用！，有了fewer less than怎么还能用as啊，more than 和as as不能混用！这样怎么去考试！”
哈哈偶对学生还是比较凶的
没办法不严格不出高分
晕
是表4000这个具体的figure
an amount of修饰不可数对，但是是许多的意思
关于number和amount的区别，大家可以看老版OG解释
我上传的OG解释注解里也有
gigi不愧是“吵架三剑客”
不是打就是吵的，怕怕。
嘻笑怒骂也可以传授GMAT之道，呵呵~~~~
有性有兴~~~~
顶一下
我怎么觉得是D呀
half/one-third/one-quarter/one-fifth the amount是很常用的结构
关于number和amount的区别，大家可以看老版OG解释
我上传的OG解释注解里也有
偶的水平很菜，所以觉不出这题容易。至少在目前给出的题目版本下。
偶认为在目前给出的题目版本下，没有正确答案。
如果这题真是真题，那应该是测试题，也就是说可能连ETS也没有完美的答案，另一种可能就是题目有错。
mindfree关于B中few than…as many的论述我认为是令人信服的。
但是C也是错的。
首先，C中there are什么呢？, there are本身和fewer都说明了there are后面省略的是具体的可数名词drive-ins，而不可能是一个抽象的数字概念。这样的话，比较的对象前面是具体的可数名词，后面是，正像LES说的，一个数字，一个抽象概念，这是典型的比较对象不对等。
Mindfree和LES所说的“number 和amount一样可以代表是一个数字，一个抽象概念”我感觉应该是可以的，但是在GMAT极端严格的环境下使用应该是不行，至少应该避嫌，所以我们见到过在这时用figure.
所以如果有选项是the number is less than one quarter of that figure.应该是可以接受的。
晕啊，还在讨论这题。
根据我的原则，（除非修饰人）和数字相关一律弃fewer用less
我选D
D.
LSEmm正中要害
这道题目很容易
两部
一 可数名词所以用FEW不能用LESS
二 比较的是具体的数字所以用amount(就是figure number的意思而不是an amount of中修饰不可数表许多的意思！）
就做出来了啊
谁选B了！！？？
要是我学生选B不被我打才怪！
：“说了多少次了，比较级不能混用！，有了fewer less than怎么还能用as啊，more than 和as as不能混用！这样怎么去考试！”
哈哈偶对学生还是比较凶的
没办法不严格不出高分
晕
我也做你的学生，好吗？
我不怕被打，只要你教我。
咦！幸好我不是你的学生。。。
开始选D的,查了longman,quarter后面接名词确实应该加of,所以这里D就可以排除了.现在倾向选C
这道题感觉和GWD7-4题有点类似,大家可以比较一下(为什么用fewer而不用less了) Q4: Only seven people this century have been killed by the great white shark, the man-eater of the movies—less than those killed by bee stings. A. movies—less than those B. movies—fewer than have been (B) C. movies, which is less than those D. movies, a number lower than the people E. movies, fewer than the ones
When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000 |
晕啊，还在讨论这题。
根据我的原则，（除非修饰人）和数字相关一律弃fewer用less
我选D
d
c中的there are不合适
我本来选的也是D，但后来查了一下quarter的用法，觉得D中缺少of是硬伤，要么是one-quarter of the amount, 要么是 quarter the amount，不能是one-quarter the amount。
quarter
–noun
| 1. | one of the four equal or equivalent parts into which anything is or may be divided: |
| 42. | being one of four equal or approximately equal parts into which anything is or may be divided. |
看了半天,唉...
窃以为one-quarter the amount是对的,看longman有,two and a half thousand people, n.+n.我觉得和one-quareter the amount是一样的
至于说the number是指什么,我觉得是指the number of drive-ins对应了前面的4000,但并非是前面的4000,而是今天的number
后面的amount才是指4000这一具体数字,这一点前人已经证明了
相对于C,比较对象不对应,drive-ins和4000比较,我觉得是最大的问题,there be表示自然存在,这里合适么??请NN指教
补充说明,the number is less than...在数学中应该很常见,表示数目小于,所以less修饰number应该没有问题,换个角度看,large,small,great修饰number没问题,那么large对small,great对little,所以修饰也没问题
D中 the number is less than 1000合理
我是看到there be结构，就排除ABC了
这里there be就可以指代数字，还要不要考虑什么自然存在的问题呢？
晕啊，还在讨论这题。
根据我的原则，（除非修饰人）和数字相关一律弃fewer用less
我选D
恩，考试时候还是这个方法实用
彻底搞晕了，
居然还有“there be...”成为正确答案的！
嘿嘿，罗马青年，我怎么最近老贺你步调一致啊，我也在看这题。感觉C还是对的。
首选D！
ABC的there be实在难看。
但是如果D必须有of，那退而求其次，选C。
再顶一下
还是没明白
amount不是修饰不可数名词吗，和fewer连用不是自相矛盾吗
spt ls
所以B不对
要么as many as...
要么as/than the amount
up
the number怎么能用less来比较?number只有大小,不能用多少来比较
至于答案C,看上去也别扭,但实在没有别的好选了...
看了很多讨论还是没有太明白...
个人认为，ABC There be句型不好，排除。
而根据新东方的总结也是fewer只用于人的比较的情况。
另外，关于D中，可不可以理解one-quarter the amount中的one-quater因为有了“-”而使one-quarter变成了形容词使用，直接修饰名词 amount？（隐约记得有这样的用法）
看了很多讨论还是没有太明白...
个人认为，ABC There be句型不好，排除。
而根据新东方的总结也是fewer只用于人的比较的情况。
另外，关于D中，可不可以理解one-quarter the amount中的one-quater因为有了“-”而使one-quarter变成了形容词使用，直接修饰名词 amount？（隐约记得有这样的用法）
有没有可能是题目出错了
D要是加一个of 呢？
大家来看下这个讨论,是个NN的
Originally Posted by sdanquah When drive-ins were at the height of their popularity in the late 1950’s, some 4,000 existed in the United States, but today there are less than one-quarter that many. A. there are less than one-quarter that many B. there are fewer than one-quarter as many C. there are fewer than one-quarter of that amount D. the number is less than one-quarter the amount E. it is less than one-quarter of that amount |
First, you should know that such "mix-and-match" questions rarely appear on the real GMAT anymore--they're too easy.
This question is okay as a grammar exercise, but I wouldn't get too hung up on it.
Anyway, what you want to know: yes, you are right that we generally use non-count modifiers (less, amount, much, etc.) when we are referring to percentages and fractions, even when those numbers refer to count nouns. The concept behind this is that we are focusing on the number itself, not on the things the number represents. And this case would be no exception.
This gets rid of B and C. Also, D and E are awkward or wordy, in addition to the some other problems.
So, let's address the last part of the underline--many or amount. In this case, since we are referring to a count noun, drive-ins, we should use a count modifier, many or number.
You were confused by that many; the that is a demonstrative and refers to the number 4,000 that was already mentioned in the sentence. Compare it to something like I didn't know that many people would show up.
The as many in B isn't quite right, either--we use as... as...for comparisons, and ETS usually wants us to have the other as in the sentence to make it grammatically complete.
个人觉得很有道理
SOURCE:
http://www.urch.com/forums/gmat-sentence-correction/12444-two-sentence-corrections-sentencecorrection-com.html
基本上是这么几步：
1.drive-ins 是可数名词，所以只能用fewer than 不能用less than，ADE被排除
2. B里面than和as肯定不能放在一起用，很容易淘汰了
所以只有C。不过说实在的C的there are 确实是怪怪的！
dear, prep得第几套第几题和这个一样啊？我也去找找看再分析一下。
in the new prep 2 .
Answer is B
new prep2/185,B
在《英汉多功能词典上查到》：
as many: (此为省略随后的as...)
1、 [adj.] (与前述之数)同数的
例句：They had five quaarrels in as many meetings. 他们见了五次面，吵了五次架。
2、[代] （与前述之数）相同
例句： I have three suits,but I need twice as many
我觉得这里是用形容词的含义，含义是： 和（4000）相同的
好妖孽的题，第一次选的是D，然后看讨论，居然正确答案是B...
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