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标题: 深讨 OG 19 [打印本页]

作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-25 04:56
标题: 深讨 OG 19

OG 19 被讨论过多次, 但好象没问最后一段(with more)修饰的对象... "rice" or "protein"? 请指教... bunnier 以答谢!


19B.   In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.


作者: dashasha    时间: 2004-5-25 06:43
我认为是修饰rice的,作状语。
作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-25 07:23
以下是引用dashasha在2004-5-25 6:43:00的发言:
我认为是修饰rice的,作状语。

谢谢启发! 比较一下哪个合理... 请(未问世)牛牛请指教:

(1) In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice (with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet) has protein of higher quality than that in wheat.

(2) In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice has protein of higher quality (with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet) than that in wheat.

bunnier 看见 "with" 就发傻


作者: dashasha    时间: 2004-5-25 07:35
我不是NN,我觉得1更合理,2存在两个比较HIGHER和MORE,有弃义噢?我认为原题里,with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是状语,表示为什么RICE里的蛋白质比WHEAT里的蛋白质质量高。
作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-5-25 09:30
I agree with dashasha
作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-25 11:36
以下是引用dashasha在2004-5-25 7:35:00的发言:
我不是NN,我觉得1更合理,2存在两个比较HIGHER和MORE,有弃义噢?我认为原题里,with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是状语,表示为什么RICE里的蛋白质比WHEAT里的蛋白质质量高。

经MM指点, 徒儿有点开窍... with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet是原因状语. According Michael Swan's Practical English Usage: With can also introduce the reasons for a situation (rather like because there is/was):
   
With all this work to do, I won't have time to go out.


MM seems to say "with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet" is talking about protein instead of rice. Right?


作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-25 12:38

bunnier gg,如果"with"结构用来修饰protein的话,“in addition to”结构又是用来修饰什么的呢?是“rice",是吧?所以,“with"结构也应该是修饰句子主语"rice"的,而不是protein。否则,为了避免歧义,"with"应该紧跟被修饰的中心词"protein",而不该放在句末。这句句子比较的是"rice"和"wheat",而不是"the protein in rice"和"the protein in wheat",这些修饰语挂在句首和句末的都应该是修饰主语"rice"的。gg认为如何?


作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-25 13:39

谢谢!!! one piece of for dashasha mm; another for weiyu gg; yet another for babypace mm.

okay, got it! the "with" adverbial phrase should modify the subject. Another example to this effect in OG:

90D: Since 1986, when the Department of Labor began to allow fees of investment officers to be based on the performance of the funds they manage, several corporations have begun paying their investment advisers a small basic fee, with a contract promising higher fees if the managers perform well.


作者: cmtn    时间: 2004-5-25 15:12

But why with in here does not 紧跟被修饰的中心词"rice",but close to "protein"?

If 是原因状语, then with modifies the whole sentence (or has) not rice, right bunnier?

I think that  原因状语 may be more reasonable.


作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-26 01:07

我觉得是因为"in addition to--"让我们可以确定句子主语是"rice"而不是"protein of rice",根据这个,我们判断"with---"是修饰主语"rice"的,而不是距离较近的"protein"。如果这句句子没有"in addition to---",那句子主语可以是"rice",也可以是"protein of rice",就看作者要表达什么意思了,这时,"with---"修饰的是什么,还是跟着句子主语走的。

with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet,rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat。

with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet,protein in rice is of higher quality than that in wheat。

请继续指教---


作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-26 04:02

谢谢 cmtn gg and babypace mm!
When the "with" phrase is placed at the beginning, it's quite clear what 修饰主语 is. But the phrase is placed at the end... it's very confusing to bunnier. For explame, what's wrong with Da Quan 73A?

Alaska regularly deposits some of its profits from the sale of oil into a special fund, with the intention to sustain the state's economy after the exhaustion of its oil reserves.

笨笨地问: Alaska has the intention? Or a special fund has the intention?


作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-26 05:19

Regarding da quan 73. See http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=23&ID=28551

Reading it and thinking about ggmm's responses, I finally understand it: "with" 可以做定语修饰状语修饰. With this understanding (and thus, the understanding of sentences), we can actually choose the best answer!


作者: bunnier    时间: 2004-5-26 05:29
以下是引用cmtn在2004-5-25 15:12:00的发言:

But why with in here does not 紧跟被修饰的中心词"rice",but close to "protein"?


If 是原因状语, then with modifies the whole sentence (or has) not rice, right bunnier?


I think that  原因状语 may be more reasonable.


Yes, GG!  给你一块


作者: babypace    时间: 2004-5-26 07:23
这道大全的题目我觉得是如果没有C选项的话,A也可以。但是明显的C优于A。“with"放在后面也是修饰主语alaska的。前人分析动词优于抽象词,很有帮助。
作者: colacat    时间: 2005-3-10 12:05

顶上来,我觉的with...是独立结构,修饰的是protein

同样的情况,可见OG 113

Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches. whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.

(A)  saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang

(B)   saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging

(C)  saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging

(D)  seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging

(E)   seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

Choice D, the best answer, not only forms a correct and clear sentence by supplying the present perfect verb have ... seen, but also solves the problem of the whose ... clause by using the appropriately placed adverbial phrase with arms and legs hanging... to modify sleeping.

这里的with修饰的就是monkey


作者: liliy4gmat    时间: 2005-3-10 15:36

with +n.+adj.是一种独立主格阿,做壮语与主句形成紧密地逻辑关系。

所以我认为是说rice的


作者: colacat    时间: 2005-3-10 16:20
独立结构的主语不能和主句的主语一致,所以with独立结构这里修饰的应该是protein
作者: liliy4gmat    时间: 2005-3-10 22:08

是独立主格没有错!!!

其实无所谓修饰谁吧,因为他和主句有关系可是没有那么紧密才用独立主格来表达嘛


作者: 追逐梦想2006    时间: 2006-2-16 19:44

一个傻问题


为什么with不能非限定修饰wheat?


In addition to having more protein than wheat does, rice has protein of higher quality than that in wheat, with more of the amino acids essential to the human diet.


再过5天就要考了,竟然连with结构还没有搞透彻!






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