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作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 09:58
标题: Current Georgetown MBA students are here to answer your questions regarding our
First, I would like to congratulate to all the CDers who got admission letters from our school. I am a 1st-year MBA student in GU. I think it is about time to contribute to thecommunity since I am in a b-school with growing recognition in Asia. I am a president in one of the largest student clubs and get involved in job affair for international students. I am pretty sure I could answer many of your queries. And I am a finance guy, and answering most questions regarding FI jobs would not be hard for me.

I would invite more current students to answer your question in thisforum. If any admitted prospect likes to email me regarding our school condition in detail, please shoot me a message first. I would give you myschool email. Furthermore, I apologize for not answering any questions regarding application essays. I am not good at that and prefer not to mislead you to the wrong direction.

About school:
Georgetown Univ. is one of the hardest school to get in (undergraduate). Our school of Foreign Service,school of law, and school of med. are among the top ranked schools. Especially out Foreign Service is the bestprogram in the US. Harvard Kennedy School comes after us. That is why many domestics consider GU as a highly prestigious school. Our MBA program is a relatively young program, but we are very ambitious to move up to top-tier MBAs. Manyof our peers graduated from some prestigious undergrad, like UPenn,Columbia, and NYU, and have been worked for well-known companies like JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, and IBM. The quality of students is not an issue.

About jobs:
There is a huge misunderstanding about our career paths that most of us would work for government. That is just partially true. Although some of our graduates accept offers from government. But the true is, like many other b-schools in east coast, we basically have 4 traditional types of career paths: finance, consulting, marketing, and others.

lease check our annual job report and you would find more details on this matter. 25% of us go to FI and another 25% join consulting industry. There is no such thing that GU MBAs can only go working for government.

For I’ntl students seeking jobs in US, it is really difficult to find one in finance industry. It is not for just our school, but a general circumstance in the States. I’ve seen international students interviewed with commercial banking, consumer bankingfor internships but not for investment banking. Intl students still have chances but have to work “extremely” hard to stand themselves out. I might not be 100% correct. That is my observation. We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times.

作者: rainyrainy 时间: 2011-1-20 10:05
多谢分享～～

问一下有没有中国学生回香港新加坡或者上海做ib的？

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 10:44
No. Because 75% of our student body comprise of domestics. For intl' students, most chinese students prefer to stay in the US upon graduation. That makes our presence in HK weak. But one thing could be notice is that we have strong alumni network in HK. For any job seeker, like me, hunting for Asia jobs, this is a good opportunity. So far I know one Korean graduate accept an IBD offer in HK, and one american born chinese would probably work in HK as well. WE are growing our presence in Asia.

作者: clayland 时间: 2011-1-20 10:49
版上上一个GU的答疑帖貌似是五年以前的了，真高兴看到我的dream school又有热心人站出来为大家答疑解惑。虽然我已经在R1被WL了，但对GU的向往依然无丝毫减少。请问Nyer15同学，GU的国际学生在NGO工作的多么？是否也有F1签证带来的麻烦？谢谢！今后还会经常来提问的

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 11:35
I know nothing about NGO. All i know about that matter is that many of my peers seaching jobs in NGO.

lease refer our job report for more details in this regard. And I think that most NGO operates globally and they tend to be more willing to support intl' students for H1 visa. Still these are my personal observation. It doesnt represnt the whole prospects.

作者: clayland 时间: 2011-1-20 11:41
感谢回复，很有帮助

作者: hellooasis 时间: 2011-1-20 11:45

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

谢谢LZ答疑！

针对LZ所说的这两句话，我想确认一下：虽然Goergetown跟这几个银行关系紧密，但中国学生还是基本进不去吧？或者说IBD和sales&trading部门（在美国的office）完全没什么希望了？那像equity research一类的，甚至更后台的部门，有希望么？

作者: jolie215 时间: 2011-1-20 11:56
Thanks for sharing, it's extremely helpful!

I would like to know that in terms of intern/full-time, how many companies came from big cities in East and West (ex: NYC, Boston, Chicago(Midwest), SF, LA etc.) for campus recruiting and available for intl' student? and also how strong the alumni networking is in these cities and also in China?

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 12:02
Basically, getting in IBD or S&T in US is still possible, but very very very TOUGH. Given on what I've seen in our school, no Chinese students got invited to IB internship interviews. But please dont give up hope if that is truly the destination you want to go for the rest of your life. Under the circumstance with weak economic strengh and high unemployment rate, remember to "be flexible." What I want to say is you never know what's gonna happen three years from now. I assume that the eco would turn way much better than it is now. Chances would be bigger. The thing you can do now is to get in you ideal school, stick tight to your goal, and work on it til the end. For now, I think the biggest chance to find a finance-related job in US is to get a job as internal control, or auditing-related jobs. These jobs requires high skills but few oral communication with others. We have better chances in these jobs than in IB or S&T.

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

作者: hellooasis 时间: 2011-1-20 12:24

Basically, getting in IBD or S&T in US is still possible, but very very very TOUGH. Given on what I've seen in our school, no Chinese students got invited to IB internship interviews. But please dont give up hope if that is truly the destination you want to go for the rest of your life. Under the circumstance with weak economic strengh and high unemployment rate, remember to "be flexible." What I want to say is you never know what's gonna happen three years from now. I assume that the eco would turn way much better than it is now. Chances would be bigger. The thing you can do now is to get in you ideal school, stick tight to your goal, and work on it til the end. For now, I think the biggest chance to find a finance-related job in US is to get a job as internal control, or auditing-related jobs. These jobs requires high skills but few oral communication with others. We have better chances in these jobs than in IB or S&T.

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

谢谢热心的LZ！

进一步问一下：也就是说学MBA finance方向的中国同学找的一般都是内部审计（internal audit）的工作？另外，记得比如像GS有个Finance部门，MS有个Financial Control Group ,请问类似这种Finance部门有中国学生进去吗？LZ可否介绍一下这类工作？

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 13:20
Sorry, this question is out of my scope. I dont work in back office

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 12:24:52)

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-20 13:30
此前有四大经验的同学一般的找的是corporate finance。很多企业也有financial control部门，比如ExxonMobil之类的，但这些大公司很多都不招国际学生，这个跟你去哪个学校读ＭＢＡ没有直接关系。

投行还是喜欢要之前有finance背景的，你要是有个什么CPA，CFA之类的，那找工作就牛B大了

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 12:24:52)

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-20 13:39
NGO工作想要找肯定有，不过给你一年4-5万美金，你愿意做吗？

版上上一个GU的答疑帖貌似是五年以前的了，真高兴看到我的dream school又有热心人站出来为大家答疑解惑。虽然我已经在R1被WL了，但对GU的向往依然无丝毫减少。请问Nyer15同学，GU的国际学生在NGO工作的多么？是否也有F1签证带来的麻烦？谢谢！今后还会经常来提问的

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 10:49:10)

作者: AllenWang829 时间: 2011-1-20 13:57
Thanks for sharing info of Georgetown MBA. I'm R1 admitted student, Class of 2013. Will keep following this post.

作者: clayland 时间: 2011-1-20 14:45
谢谢C前辈的回答，收入对我来说并非第一考量，其实我的本意是希望在毕业后回国继续在现在的行业里工作，但在那之前，我倾向于在NGO或者其它NON-Profit组织中工作一段时间，给自己的人生增添一些不一样的内容。本人天资驽钝，各种顶尖投行或咨询类的工作不敢企及，而且也真的并非我所喜爱的方向；虽然没啥本事但好歹有一腔热血，所以想着是否能够在类似NGO的地方找找出路......当然这些都是后话了，首先离开那个悲催的waitlist才是我现在的当务之急啊，呵呵

NGO工作想要找肯定有，不过给你一年4-5万美金，你愿意做吗？

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 10:49:10)

-- by 会员 Cortega (2011/1/20 13:39:02)

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 19:05
Keep your faith. Actually I was 2nd-round waitlist and finally got admitted at the last minute. Or you can probably get other better admission. Dont worry.

谢谢C前辈的回答，收入对我来说并非第一考量，其实我的本意是希望在毕业后回国继续在现在的行业里工作，但在那之前，我倾向于在NGO或者其它NON-Profit组织中工作一段时间，给自己的人生增添一些不一样的内容。本人天资驽钝，各种顶尖投行或咨询类的工作不敢企及，而且也真的并非我所喜爱的方向；虽然没啥本事但好歹有一腔热血，所以想着是否能够在类似NGO的地方找找出路......当然这些都是后话了，首先离开那个悲催的waitlist才是我现在的当务之急啊，呵呵

NGO工作想要找肯定有，不过给你一年4-5万美金，你愿意做吗？

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 10:49:10)

-- by 会员 Cortega (2011/1/20 13:39:02)

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 14:45:33)

作者: xiaobai2 时间: 2011-1-20 19:13
谢谢楼主的回答，如果准备回香港或者投行的亚洲OFFICE，请问一下US MBA是不是有一定的优势呢？就整个US MBA你所观察到的情况而言

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 19:17
It definately helps with a US MBA. But given the highly competitive selection process, a solid US MBA give you some chance but not all chances. If I got time, I would talk more about GU in HK, our alumni network, and job placement in HK.

谢谢楼主的回答，如果准备回香港或者投行的亚洲OFFICE，请问一下US MBA是不是有一定的优势呢？就整个US MBA你所观察到的情况而言

-- by 会员 xiaobai2 (2011/1/20 19:13:22)

作者: xiaobai2 时间: 2011-1-20 19:20
谢谢你的现实性的回答啊。你觉得进FS比较难的原因主要是什么呢？语言问题？

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-20 21:05
一身份，二文化差异，三才是语言

投行的工作需要你积极network，不断的跟他们做Infomational interview才行，这种闲聊扯淡文化差异就显现出来了。不说跟美国人了，大陆来的跟香港和台湾同学接触多后也会发现这个问题

谢谢你的现实性的回答啊。你觉得进FS比较难的原因主要是什么呢？语言问题？

-- by 会员 xiaobai2 (2011/1/20 19:20:10)

作者: shiny_iv 时间: 2011-1-20 21:23
Hi nyer15, I'm admitted in R1 and it's really a pleasure to get to know Mcdonough more from u.
I was background in marketing sector in the past 2.5 years, and based on your knowledge of previous graduated Chinese students, what percentage of them end up in US with marketing related offers?
As you mentioned before, indeed culture gap could be a real problem, either in finance or marketing, which sector do you think the gap places more obstacles?
Also, u said Mcdonough's presence in HK is relatively weak, how about in China mainland? Do you know any mainland Mcdonough MBA clubs that I could refer to? Big thx~!!!

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 21:47
Sorry I have to correct my previous mistake. We have strong presence in HK in term of the whole Georgetown Univ alumni network, but relatively weak for MBA ones. Dont be shy away from my statement. Our HK alumni club is extremely generous to offer us help in our job search. They want to bring MBA program to a higher level, which means that MBA is still part of the close-knitted community.

For a marketing focus talent, it is also hard to land a job here in the US. Think about culture barrier, and you'd know what I am talking about. For example, do you know what "Jack in the box" is about and its history? Culture barrier truely exists. In my humble opinion, the best move for this type of talent landing a job in US is to find a job that requires you as a contact window with Chinese clients.

You can google "china georgetown alumni" and you will find what you want. I am more familiar with HK alumni club

Hi nyer15, I'm admitted in R1 and it's really a pleasure to get to know Mcdonough more from u.
I was background in marketing sector in the past 2.5 years, and based on your knowledge of previous graduated Chinese students, what percentage of them end up in US with marketing related offers?
As you mentioned before, indeed culture gap could be a real problem, either in finance or marketing, which sector do you think the gap places more obstacles?
Also, u said Mcdonough's presence in HK is relatively weak, how about in China mainland? Do you know any mainland Mcdonough MBA clubs that I could refer to? Big thx~!!!

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/20 21:23:42)

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-20 22:00
About location:
DC is just 4hr of drive from NYC. Which city do we go for networking or job interview? NYC for sure. At DC, you can find some NGO like the World Bank or other government related jobs. But everybody knows that NYC is the ultimate place to go for job search. Also because we are in DC, many potential employers do come stopping by at our school for campus recruit or info session.

作者: qizuko 时间: 2011-1-20 22:29
Thanks for sharing! I am R2 applicant, still waiting for update.

作者: pacificocean11 时间: 2011-1-20 23:40
确实是真知灼见，谢谢2位热心前辈的指点迷津

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-21 01:48
在美国做marketing非常困难，比finance和consulting的难度都要大，建议你将找工作主要精力放在跨国大公司在国内的office。无论申请什么工作，你要想清楚一个问题，你和你的美国MBA同学相比优势和劣势在什么地方，你有什么本钱让美国公司聘用你而不是招一个美国人，多想想怎在申请中突出你如何利用之前在国内的工作经历为公司创造价值

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/20 21:23:42)

作者: piaoguo2000 时间: 2011-1-21 08:20
Hi, nyer15, thanks for your information. I am now on the wait list of the admission queue for Round I and I'm preparing an additional essay hoping to get ahead in the wait list. This uncertain situation brought me a lot of stress about my MBA application process. Can you give me some suggestions for this situation? Do you think an additional recommendation letter will be more helpful?
As MSB is always my first choice, I really want to join this community.

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Keep your faith. Actually I was 2nd-round waitlist and finally got admitted at the last minute. Or you can probably get other better admission. Dont worry.

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-21 09:42
See the message in your mailbox for some details. And you say GU is always your first choice. Why saying so???? it may be a good point for you to stand out. Also, think about what u can bring to the community. If you can contribute something to the program, that may help. Please dont BS anything that you could never accomplish. I am doing what I've promised in my essay

[quote]
Hi, nyer15, thanks for your information. I am now on the wait list of the admission queue for Round I and I'm preparing an additional essay hoping to get ahead in the wait list. This uncertain situation brought me a lot of stress about my MBA application process. Can you give me some suggestions for this situation? Do you think an additional recommendation letter will be more helpful?
As MSB is always my first choice, I really want to join this community.

Keep your faith. Actually I was 2nd-round waitlist and finally got admitted at the last minute. Or you can probably get other better admission. Dont worry.

-- by 会员 piaoguo2000 (2011/1/21 8:20:00)

作者: hellooasis 时间: 2011-1-21 11:45

Sorry, this question is out of my scope. I dont work in back office

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 12:24:52)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 13:20:47)

果然干前台和干后台的之间没什么交流。LZ原来是front office，IBD的？

作者: shiny_iv 时间: 2011-1-21 11:49
Hi Cortega, 谢谢！你的指点直指中国人在US找工作的核心问题^^ 的确在美国继续marketing的职业还想有好的发展非常困难，我也充分地思考过这个问题，所以正在积极做些相关的准备让自己不至于被圈在一个过于窄小的选择范围内。接下来半年我会做一个biotech VC的前期调研项目，也会考CFA。将来的定位是做市场部的pricing strategy或直接转finance相关的职位。
有关nyer提及的方向，譬如找一个跨国公司对中国市场的相关职位，请问你目前接触到类似的机会有多少？目前US有类似雇人需求的公司多吗？我完全不了解……求教

在美国做marketing非常困难，比finance和consulting的难度都要大，建议你将找工作主要精力放在跨国大公司在国内的office。无论申请什么工作，你要想清楚一个问题，你和你的美国MBA同学相比优势和劣势在什么地方，你有什么本钱让美国公司聘用你而不是招一个美国人，多想想怎在申请中突出你如何利用之前在国内的工作经历为公司创造价值

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/20 21:23:42)

-- by 会员 Cortega (2011/1/21 1:48:35)

作者: shiny_iv 时间: 2011-1-21 11:53
Hi nyer, thanks a lot for your tips!
Speaking about "jobs that requires you as a contact window with Chinese clients", would you explore more on this topic with your knowledge? I mean I have little idea of such job opportunities in US. Sure there must be some major multinationals hiring Chinese marketers, but how many in DC do so? Who are they? Is there any small to medium sized companies starting doing so?

Sorry I have to correct my previous mistake. We have strong presence in HK in term of the whole Georgetown Univ alumni network, but relatively weak for MBA ones. Dont be shy away from my statement. Our HK alumni club is extremely generous to offer us help in our job search. They want to bring MBA program to a higher level, which means that MBA is still part of the close-knitted community.

For a marketing focus talent, it is also hard to land a job here in the US. Think about culture barrier, and you'd know what I am talking about. For example, do you know what "Jack in the box" is about and its history? Culture barrier truely exists. In my humble opinion, the best move for this type of talent landing a job in US is to find a job that requires you as a contact window with Chinese clients.

You can google "china georgetown alumni" and you will find what you want. I am more familiar with HK alumni club

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/20 21:23:42)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 21:47:57)

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-1-21 17:42
There are some positions called "account officer", "account executive". They are some positions to manage multiple clients for your company. As Chinese-US trade grows fast, I assume US companiese may need more ppl to manage their Chinese clients. I think you can do in an opposite way, being the contact window for Chinese companies dealing with US clients. Chances would not be limited to only these positions, but they are the first ones popping out from my head.

Hi nyer, thanks a lot for your tips!
Speaking about "jobs that requires you as a contact window with Chinese clients", would you explore more on this topic with your knowledge? I mean I have little idea of such job opportunities in US. Sure there must be some major multinationals hiring Chinese marketers, but how many in DC do so? Who are they? Is there any small to medium sized companies starting doing so?

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/20 21:23:42)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 21:47:57)

-- by 会员 shiny_iv (2011/1/21 11:53:54)

作者: jolie215 时间: 2011-1-22 00:38
您好，想請教到GU招募的公司中，有多少公司/比例是來自NYC, Boston, Chicago, SF, LA 等大城市且願意招國際學生? 此外，在上述城市中的校友networking強嗎? 謝謝。

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-22 02:57
这个绝大部分MBA都差不多，肯定是最近的大城市过来的最多了

具体到GU，肯定是DC当地的公司最多了，比如deloitte，pwc在这边都有office。纽约的银行来招的也不少，比如citi，chase，GS，美林等。其他地方的公司来学校也有，但是不像DC和NYC这两个地方那么集中

您好，想請教到GU招募的公司中，有多少公司/比例是來自NYC, Boston, Chicago, SF, LA 等大城市且願意招國際學生? 此外，在上述城市中的校友networking強嗎? 謝謝。

-- by 会员 jolie215 (2011/1/22 0:38:57)

作者: winniexin123 时间: 2011-1-25 09:49
我也是GT在读学生。我个人觉得在NGO这个领域，GT还是很强的，当然这也和地理优势有关。很多国际组织都会来学校招人，当然越是知名的组织竞争越是厉害。虽然我本人不是做NGO的，但周围不少同学都是因为想做NGO才选择我们学校的。听同学说找NGO的工作和Finance一样，其实是很注重networking的。在DC没事参加点相关会议，积累人迈很关键。如果只是想做小型的NGO，DC有很多，career management也有一些part time可以申，但是NGO现在基本都no paid intern。在GT有non-profit internship fund，如果暑期实习no pay是可以申请的。

NGO工作想要找肯定有，不过给你一年4-5万美金，你愿意做吗？

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 10:49:10)

-- by 会员 Cortega (2011/1/20 13:39:02)

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 14:45:33)

作者: winniexin123 时间: 2011-1-25 10:26
其实我觉得banking和consulting是最不歧视国际学生的了，现在corporate的机会反而少我觉得，因为像Lo'real、Unilever、Pepsi、American express这样的跨国大公司都不招国际学生的。

想做IB机会都是有的，主要看自己有没有实力，够不够努力。毕竟每周五跑纽约去informational，不是每个人都能坚持的。但如果你目标明确，有相关经验，aggressively networking，希望还是很大的。我一美国同学，这两天要去面Goldman的final，并已有一ib offer在手。他至少在投简历前已经和5个以上Goldman的人做过informational interview了, 入学前他也有相关金融行业经验。所以，关键还是得看自己。我觉得亚洲学生多半不太会像美国人那样networking，努力程度也不一定比美国人高，机会自然少。我本人也拿到一些美国banking的interview（其中也有后台部门）, 不过由于自己准备不够充分，mock得不够，现在大多夭折了。。。banking前台和后台对你的skill的要求不太一样，不一定说后台就一定容易进。后台部门的面试如operation，偏project management，所以面试一般都没technical questions.

nyer15很早就把目标锁定亚洲的banking，他也很早就开始努力了，现在interview的结果也不错。希望他快点拿到offer啦。

[quote]Sorry, this question is out of my scope. I dont work in back office

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 12:24:52)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 13:20:47)

果然干前台和干后台的之间没什么交流。LZ原来是front office，IBD的？

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/21 11:45:34)

[/quote]

作者: winniexin123 时间: 2011-1-25 10:33
补充一下关于location的问题，
我个人这半年呆下来还是很喜欢DC的。一来不是美国的大农村，没车生活一样还是很方便的；二来又不像纽约那么嘈杂拥挤，在DC还是能享受到美国生活闲适的一方面的。美中不足的是DC的China town比较差，小的就没有几家中国馆子。
不过DC corporate的机会是比较少，最多的是国际组织、NGO，还有一些PE、VC等，不过这些intern大多不给钱。想在美国做Banking的人都是每周跑纽约的。

About location:
DC is just 4hr of drive from NYC. Which city do we go for networking or job interview? NYC for sure. At DC, you can find some NGO like the World Bank or other government related jobs. But everybody knows that NYC is the ultimate place to go for job search. Also because we are in DC, many potential employers do come stopping by at our school for campus recruit or info session.

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 22:00:24)

作者: clayland 时间: 2011-1-25 11:01

我也是GT在读学生。我个人觉得在NGO这个领域，GT还是很强的，当然这也和地理优势有关。很多国际组织都会来学校招人，当然越是知名的组织竞争越是厉害。虽然我本人不是做NGO的，但周围不少同学都是因为想做NGO才选择我们学校的。听同学说找NGO的工作和Finance一样，其实是很注重networking的。在DC没事参加点相关会议，积累人迈很关键。如果只是想做小型的NGO，DC有很多，career management也有一些part time可以申，但是NGO现在基本都no paid intern。在GT有non-profit internship fund，如果暑期实习no pay是可以申请的。

谢谢前辈解答，我越发想去GTown啦，嘿嘿，一个NGO的暑假对我来说实在太有吸引力了。请祝福我早日离开waitlist~~~

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-25 13:35
你要是之前有这方面的经验肯定机会很多，如果是career switcher的话要多network才行

谢谢各位前辈的热心解答！我已经被GT R1录取，想问问在GT 毕业后做Consulting 和 marketing（回国或在留美都可）的机会多不多？

-- by 会员 vbdjulia (2011/1/25 12:03:57)

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-25 13:41
要论地理位置，前20的MBA里面除了NYC和加州的学校，没有哪个比DC更好了

DC冬天也不是太冷，对我这种广东人来说还算可以忍受的限度呢，要是去chicago或者boston真的要冻死了

补充一下关于location的问题，
我个人这半年呆下来还是很喜欢DC的。一来不是美国的大农村，没车生活一样还是很方便的；二来又不像纽约那么嘈杂拥挤，在DC还是能享受到美国生活闲适的一方面的。美中不足的是DC的China town比较差，小的就没有几家中国馆子。
不过DC corporate的机会是比较少，最多的是国际组织、NGO，还有一些PE、VC等，不过这些intern大多不给钱。想在美国做Banking的人都是每周跑纽约的。

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 22:00:24)

-- by 会员 winniexin123 (2011/1/25 10:33:32)

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-25 13:49
现在进IB之前没有相关的金融背景已经很难了，毕竟坑就那么多，雇主肯定愿意找有相关工作经验的，这样招过来就能上手干活。

所以良心建议大家一定要结合自己之前的背景想你的职业规划，特别是想在美国找实习的话

其实我觉得banking和consulting是最不歧视国际学生的了，现在corporate的机会反而少我觉得，因为像Lo'real、Unilever、Pepsi、American express这样的跨国大公司都不招国际学生的。

想做IB机会都是有的，主要看自己有没有实力，够不够努力。毕竟每周五跑纽约去informational，不是每个人都能坚持的。但如果你目标明确，有相关经验，aggressively networking，希望还是很大的。我一美国同学，这两天要去面Goldman的final，并已有一ib offer在手。他至少在投简历前已经和5个以上Goldman的人做过informational interview了, 入学前他也有相关金融行业经验。所以，关键还是得看自己。我觉得亚洲学生多半不太会像美国人那样networking，努力程度也不一定比美国人高，机会自然少。我本人也拿到一些美国banking的interview（其中也有后台部门）, 不过由于自己准备不够充分，mock得不够，现在大多夭折了。。。banking前台和后台对你的skill的要求不太一样，不一定说后台就一定容易进。后台部门的面试如operation，偏project management，所以面试一般都没technical questions.

nyer15很早就把目标锁定亚洲的banking，他也很早就开始努力了，现在interview的结果也不错。希望他快点拿到offer啦。

[quote]Sorry, this question is out of my scope. I dont work in back office

We have solid relationship with JPM, CITI,BofAML, and AE. Goldman starts to recruit our people for interns and Morgan Stanley starts to hire us for full-times. -- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 9:58:29)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 11:45:50)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 12:02:10)

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/20 12:24:52)

-- by 会员 nyer15 (2011/1/20 13:20:47)

果然干前台和干后台的之间没什么交流。LZ原来是front office，IBD的？

-- by 会员 hellooasis (2011/1/21 11:45:34)

-- by 会员 winniexin123 (2011/1/25 10:26:43)

[/quote]

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-1-25 13:53
GU的Net Impact是Gold Chapter，所以相关的工作和实习机会还是很多的。如果你们有志于从事NGO或者sustainability方面的工作，可以发消息给我，我把club president 的email给你

当然，我还是要提醒，NGO很多pay的不高，全职也就4-5万美金，是否值得你花那么多钱来读MBA需要慎重考虑

NGO工作想要找肯定有，不过给你一年4-5万美金，你愿意做吗？

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 10:49:10)

-- by 会员 Cortega (2011/1/20 13:39:02)

-- by 会员 clayland (2011/1/20 14:45:33)

-- by 会员 winniexin123 (2011/1/25 9:49:49)

作者: clayland 时间: 2011-1-25 21:44

GU的Net Impact是Gold Chapter，所以相关的工作和实习机会还是很多的。如果你们有志于从事NGO或者sustainability方面的工作，可以发消息给我，我把club president 的email给你

当然，我还是要提醒，NGO很多pay的不高，全职也就4-5万美金，是否值得你花那么多钱来读MBA需要慎重考虑

(以下恕删）

谢谢C前辈，NGO是我的一个梦想，希望有机会可以真正帮到别人。当然从经济原因考虑不会长期从事，有机会被GU录取的话去找intern或者part time尝试看看吧。已给你站内消息，请查收。

作者: wooing 时间: 2011-2-16 14:07
Hi fellars,

So sweet of you to share info here abt Georgetown. Especially, for us there are not many ways to obtain the employment info on Chinese students!!

I'd like to check with you the school's perspective in real estate for Chinese students. Would it be possible (regarding REALLY REALLY REALLY TOUGH as impossible) to find a job in the asset mgt departments in the banks or investment firms focusing on real estate side? Or find a position in a real estate development co? What are the chances of staying in the U.S with these jobs?

Also, I heard DC is actually not that safe.. Is that true? (thinking of Beijing as the safest city in China as the Capital)

Appreciate for your time. Cheers.

作者: HENRYXXH 时间: 2011-2-16 17:38
友情支持，帮顶！

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-2-17 06:19
I aint sure if you want a job here in US or back in China. For the former one, I can say real estate is not really our focus nor students' major intersts. But in our class, there are some ppl from real estate development company or PE firm. Most of them would still consider going back. And I think we have a real estate club which is a proof that some students have demand for that. But as I said, it is not a popular section here like finance, consulting, or marketing. But if you are thinking about real estate sector in IBD, you should catagorize it in finance instead of real estate.

In term of safety, it is ok in Georgetown neighborhood. This is the wealthiest neighborhood in DC. You should feel fine with it.

Hi fellars,

So sweet of you to share info here abt Georgetown. Especially, for us there are not many ways to obtain the employment info on Chinese students!!

I'd like to check with you the school's perspective in real estate for Chinese students. Would it be possible (regarding REALLY REALLY REALLY TOUGH as impossible) to find a job in the asset mgt departments in the banks or investment firms focusing on real estate side? Or find a position in a real estate development co? What are the chances of staying in the U.S with these jobs?

Also, I heard DC is actually not that safe.. Is that true? (thinking of Beijing as the safest city in China as the Capital)

Appreciate for your time. Cheers.

-- by 会员 wooing (2011/2/16 14:07:47)

作者: Cortega 时间: 2011-2-20 14:38
我们组两个之前做real estate的美国人都去了citi，一个做IB，一个做corporate finance，另外一个做commercial real estate的想转咨询。美国的大城市都有不安全的区域，但起码GU校区附近还是比较安全的

-- by 会员 wooing (2011/2/16 14:07:47)

作者: nikitism 时间: 2011-2-20 14:52
georgetown是非常好的学校！

作者: odin0716 时间: 2011-2-22 22:04
Thanks to the contribution from nyers and others.

I am R3 Georgetwon applicant who want to devote myself into VC(venture capital) in Asia once completed the programs.
Could you mind sharing some insights abt the career development out of your past and current observation?

Thanks.

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-2-22 23:00
Sorry, I aint from VC/PE industry. Cant share much about it. But we have a student who had a deep conversation with a PE guy in Hk. That PE guy was also a career switcher. He says it is possible to switch career to VC/PE without previous experience in IBD. The point is how determined you are since most VC/PE are less-known on the market. And you have to be "SUPER" prepared cuz unlike bulge brackets, VC/PE may not have so much time and resouces to watch you "grow". To gain their confidence on hiring you, be a ready-to-fire candidate.

Thanks to the contribution from nyers and others.

-- by 会员 odin0716 (2011/2/22 22:04:59)

作者: steven_shen 时间: 2011-3-28 23:25
Hi guys, thank you for your sharing. These information are very valuable considering that GT is not that well-known here in China as it is in U.S.

My question is that can you share the latest intern/job placement infor of class 2012/2011 respectively? I especially interested in the IB sector since some insider told me that although GT has decent presence in IB, there is almost no Chinese landed in IB. Is that really that tough for Chinese to land in IB as those coming from M7?

作者: nyer15 时间: 2011-3-30 08:08
it is a illogical comparsion Gtown to M7 at current position....The fact that Chinese cant get a job in IB doesnt mean that there will be none in the future..... But ask yourself honestly, IB is people business. Do you know what americans are talking about outside business? do you care about March Madness, Coach K, and VCU? Do you speak english as fluently as native speakers? are you willing to do networking with american just to get an information interview? And yet, I dont mention anything about your professional skills which is essential and no need to talk about here. Applying IB jobs in anywhere on Earth is not much different, even in Asia. So you are competing with candidates from all over the world. Since we may have so many disadvantage, why do those IBs hire you?

I aint here to discourage you but to let all of us realize the situation going on here. Once you know how tough it is gonna be, you should prepare yourself extremely well and be ready that the battle would be bloody.....

Hi guys, thank you for your sharing. These information are very valuable considering that GT is not that well-known here in China as it is in U.S.

My question is that can you share the latest intern/job placement infor of class 2012/2011 respectively? I especially interested in the IB sector since some insider told me that although GT has decent presence in IB, there is almost no Chinese landed in IB. Is that really that tough for Chinese to land in IB as those coming from M7?

-- by 会员 steven_shen (2011/3/28 23:25:14)

作者: xiaowangwang 时间: 2011-10-6 18:01
lz, Gtown最后那篇optional essay

rofessional Achievement Essay,大家都写嘛？请教是否是要我们写那种成就非常突出的，对行业或者企业贡献特别大的。我想否则也不用特别另立文章来申请吧。

作者: chrishining 时间: 2011-12-3 00:13
好久没人来了
最近收到一封georgetown的广告，介绍2013的summer internship情况，上面写44个国际学生全部找到实习，我想问问其中中国人的情况，大多都是找的哪些行业和公司呢？

作者: jijismile 时间: 2011-12-18 13:35
HI 不知现在坛子上有没有G的校友，刚刚收到了R1的录取，很想和现在的校友联系下，多了解一下当前的就业实习情况

可惜学校的coffee chat米有在上海的

有校友么很想聊一下呀~

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