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标题: OG12-110 好多疑问，纠结中。。。。望牛牛们指导，感激不尽！！ [打印本页]
作者: sasha_wen    时间: 2011-1-14 15:32
标题: OG12-110 好多疑问，纠结中。。。。望牛牛们指导，感激不尽！！
110. Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of The Messenger were two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.
(A) Published in Harlem, the owner and editor of The Messenger were two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader.
(B) Published in Harlem, two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, were the owner and editor of The Messenger.
(C) Published in Harlem, The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen.
(D) The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and published in Harlem.
(E) The owner and editor being two young journalists, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, The Messenger was published in Harlem.
答案是C没有问题，我不理解OG的解释：
1、Here, the incorrect placement of the modifying phrase published in Harlem makes the phrase describe the owner and editor when it should describe The Messenger. The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit? A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??因为我觉得C也可以理解为一个人owner另一人editor，或两个人合起来owner and editor??
2、It is also unclear which of the two journalists is described in the clause beginning who.难道who能跳跃修饰Chandler Owen或A. Philip Randolph， 还是两个都能修饰？？到底who 能不能跳跃修饰？？
作者: sasha_wen    时间: 2011-1-15 19:29
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作者: v19suffered    时间: 2011-1-16 11:21

答案是C没有问题，我不理解OG的解释：
1.Here, the incorrect placement of the modifying phrase published in Harlem makes the phrase describe the owner and editor when it should describe The Messenger. The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit? A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??因为我觉得C也可以理解为一个人owner另一人editor，或两个人合起来owner and editor??


(C)  ublished in Harlem, The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen.在C选项里，who从句就近修饰A.Philip Randolph,说明A这个人make his reputation as a labor leader 而不是A与C两人

2、It is also unclear which of the two journalists is described in the clause beginning who.难道who能跳跃修饰Chandler Owen或A. Philip Randolph，还是两个都能修饰？？到底who 能不能跳跃修饰？？



不是跳跃修饰，而是对于A and B, who…你没办法说清楚，who到底是修饰前者还是后者亦或是两者，但是因为有了Published in Harlem, The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists, A. Philip Randolph, who would later make his reputation as a labor leader, and Chandler Owen的表达，就很清楚了，因为who就是就近修饰A.philip Randolph

-- by 会员sasha_wen (2011/1/14 15:32:12)

作者: avernus    时间: 2011-3-19 11:40
UP,同问第一个问题，为什么A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??
OG解释说The use of singular "owner and editor" is puzzling.
这个owner and editor 怎么是singular呢？

求各位大侠解答
作者: avernus    时间: 2011-3-19 15:15
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作者: avernus    时间: 2011-3-19 21:10
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作者: jsu2008    时间: 2011-3-19 22:28
UP,同问第一个问题，为什么A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??
OG解释说The use of singular "owner and editor" is puzzling.
这个owner and editor 怎么是singular呢？

求各位大侠解答
-- by 会员 avernus (2011/3/19 11:40:51)


In A, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph are the appositive of journalists, so we don’t know who (his) exactly refers to C O or A.P R.

In C, who can only refer to A. P R.
作者: avernus    时间: 2011-3-20 11:50
UP,同问第一个问题，为什么A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??
OG解释说The use of singular "owner and editor" is puzzling.
这个owner and editor 怎么是singular呢？

求各位大侠解答
-- by 会员 avernus (2011/3/19 11:40:51)





In A, Chandler Owen and A. Philip Randolph are the appositive of journalists, so we don’t know who (his) exactly refers to C O or A.P R.

In C, who can only refer to A. P R.
-- by 会员 jsu2008 (2011/3/19 22:28:04)




谢谢你的回复，其实我知道A和C中WHO指代不清的错误，我的问题不是Who make his reputation as a labor leader 而是Who own and edit THE MESSENGER.
不明白为什么A 的结构：the owner and editor of sth. were two young journalists 交代不清谁拥有，谁编辑的问题；而C结构:sth. was owned and edited by two.... 就能交代清楚两人共同拥有并编辑
而且OG说这个owner and editor 是singular，但原句后面不是有WERE么？
作者: jsu2008    时间: 2011-3-22 20:50
If X and Y were XX and YY, how can you know who is the owner and who is the editor?
But I think the problem is that the editor and owner is singular and it used 'were'.

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[quote][quote]UP,同问第一个问题，为什么A 会带来这样的疑问，那为什么C就能清楚交代谁owner and editor??
OG解释说The use of singular "owner and editor" is puzzling.
这个owner and editor 怎么是singular呢？

求各位大侠解答
-- by 会员 avernus (2011/3/19 11:40:51)
作者: sasha_wen    时间: 2011-5-11 00:34
我的一些体会，大家拍砖
问题一：The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit?（摘自OG12）
我认为对于A项the owner and editor ... were CO and PR ... 可以有两种理解：第一种是CO是owner 和PR是editor,或者是CO 是owner and editor和PR是owner and editor两种理解谓语都是were所以导致puzzling
但C项：was owned and edited用的是was说明一个owned另一个edited，没有歧义
问题二：不是跳跃修饰，而是对于A and B, who…你没办法说清楚，who到底是修饰前者还是后者亦或是两者
以上我的想法都是来自楼上好心的CDers的帮助，感谢楼上的CDers,当然也可能本人能力有限，还有牛牛们进一步确认我的体会，谢谢！
作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-7-19 20:57
我的一些体会，大家拍砖
问题一：The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit?（摘自OG12）
我认为对于A项the owner and editor ... were CO and PR ... 可以有两种理解：第一种是CO是owner 和PR是editor,或者是CO 是owner and editor和PR是owner and editor两种理解谓语都是were所以导致puzzling
但C项：was owned and edited用的是was说明一个owned另一个edited，没有歧义
问题二：不是跳跃修饰，而是对于A and B, who…你没办法说清楚，who到底是修饰前者还是后者亦或是两者
以上我的想法都是来自楼上好心的CDers的帮助，感谢楼上的CDers,当然也可能本人能力有限，还有牛牛们进一步确认我的体会，谢谢！
-- by 会员 sasha_wen (2011/5/11 0:34:48)



不对啊LZ…我还是觉得不对啊。。
对于问题1. 那个was是因为The Mussenger是单数才是主语，它还是说“这本书是owned and edited by two young journalists”，我觉得它还是没有解决那个到底是一个own一个edit，还是二人共同own和edit的问题。。
2. 对于第二个问题，看A选项里已经指出了His reputation.所以不是修饰CO就是APR。可是我不觉得它能跳跃APR去修饰CO啊。。
作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-7-20 11:28
饭前up下~
作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-7-20 18:29
up啊！
作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-7-21 20:50
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-- by 会员 sasha_wen (2011/1/15 19:29:38)



lz你给个话啊。。这个你明白没啊……
作者: jj0615    时间: 2011-10-6 19:43
同问，为什么A会造成歧义而C不会
作者: jj0615    时间: 2011-10-8 16:17
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作者: Tee    时间: 2011-10-16 23:50
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作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-25 14:33
我的一些体会，大家拍砖
问题一：The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit?（摘自OG12）
我认为对于A项the owner and editor ... were CO and PR ... 可以有两种理解：第一种是CO是owner 和PR是editor,或者是CO 是owner and editor和PR是owner and editor两种理解谓语都是were所以导致puzzling
但C项：was owned and edited用的是was说明一个owned另一个edited，没有歧义
问题二：不是跳跃修饰，而是对于A and B, who…你没办法说清楚，who到底是修饰前者还是后者亦或是两者
以上我的想法都是来自楼上好心的CDers的帮助，感谢楼上的CDers,当然也可能本人能力有限，还有牛牛们进一步确认我的体会，谢谢！
-- by 会员 sasha_wen (2011/5/11 0:34:48)




不对啊LZ…我还是觉得不对啊。。
对于问题1. 那个was是因为The Mussenger是单数才是主语，它还是说“这本书是owned and edited by two young journalists”，我觉得它还是没有解决那个到底是一个own一个edit，还是二人共同own和edit的问题。。
2. 对于第二个问题，看A选项里已经指出了His reputation.所以不是修饰CO就是APR。可是我不觉得它能跳跃APR去修饰CO啊。。
-- by 会员 superbat28 (2011/7/19 20:57:18)





大家有木有明白啊~~木有结论耶~~~求真相啊求真相。
作者: 林水监    时间: 2011-11-25 14:35
顶顶
作者: wbhsky    时间: 2011-12-5 20:20
D好像真有问题...我能想到的只有是这里不可以用非限制从句...who 的指代好像没有问题...
但是C中也用了非限制从句，可能仅是因为要起到一个隔开的作用...
作者: qiuhua01234567    时间: 2012-2-1 13:41
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
作者: blueday5    时间: 2012-2-1 15:20
我的想法是
(A) the owner and editor of The Messenger were two young journalists
→ owner 加 editor 共两个人，此时可以有多种状况
   1) owner 是 CO       且    editor 是APR
   2) owner 是 APR       且    editor 是CO
   3) owner 是 CO+APR  且    editor 是CO+APR (提醒一下，这样加起来还是只有两个人)

(C) The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists
→ 还原来看就是
The Messenger was owned by two young journalists
The Messenger was edited by two young journalists
此时只会有一种状况
   1) owner 是 CO+APR 且    editor 是CO+APR

所以(A) puzzling, 排除
      (C) 够明确

纯属个人 意见，不同意请拍砖
作者: phoebe0624    时间: 2012-3-6 00:59
继续顶！
作者: sharon20    时间: 2012-3-8 18:42
不明白啊不明白~盼望大牛出来解答啊~！！！
作者: ahasusanna    时间: 2012-3-18 08:00
不明白不明白~
who就不能就近指代吗，那要是想说APR blablabla就非得把它写前面再加从句么
作者: ahasusanna    时间: 2012-3-19 18:08
顶~斑竹快来
作者: ahasusanna    时间: 2012-3-28 21:10
再顶一个，我是超级玛丽~~
作者: zhongshanlh    时间: 2012-3-31 20:06
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作者: zhongshanlh    时间: 2012-4-8 22:03
这个题目成了历史遗留题目了，，，现在再看还是有问题啊
OG 对A中的解释说references are unclear.但是我现在个人还是认为这里的who定从没有问题，因为定从中有his，所以排出了who指代2个人的可能，然后就近指代A. Philip Randolph，木有问题啊

真心呼唤NN
作者: feathsea8    时间: 2012-4-14 00:38
顶。。。who的指代实在是没法理解。。。
作者: mslancaster    时间: 2012-4-14 01:38
楼上诸位不需要我说A了吧？

我说一下D，你要是把那两个人的名字看做插入语（定语从句中确实有过很多插入语被跳过指代的例子，详见大全，OG11，或者等我找到补上来），那么who指代的是谁？journalists,   which is still a logical referent that "who" in this sentence may refer to.
作者: zwhjzwhj    时间: 2012-5-30 20:26
看来还没有结论。

这道题我有同样的不解，虽然题目作对了，但OG的解释反倒让我纳闷了。

A说，the owner and editor of The Messenger were two young journalists,
解释说，The use of the singular owner and editor is puzzling: did one journalist own and the other edit? Or did they jointly own and edit?
好吧这的确有点puzzling

可是，C的说法就不puzzling了吗？
C说，The Messenger was owned and edited by two young journalists,
解释说，the verbs indicate that both journalists played both roles
我就无语了，你从哪看出来的。。。

第二方面，“人名1 and 人名2，who” 这样的修饰会使who unclear？



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-- by 会员 sasha_wen (2011/1/15 19:29:38)




lz你给个话啊。。这个你明白没啊……
-- by 会员 superbat28 (2011/7/21 20:50:30)





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