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作者: ruiyu25    时间: 2004-5-15 03:07
标题: 请教nor的用法

想起来以前做的一题,是考nor的。对不起题目已经记不起来了。


nor一种用法是跟在neither后面,另一种是跟在一个否定词后面。但是or也可以跟在否定词后面。什么时候用or什么时候用nor呢?


比如:most people prefer A because A does not require blabla, or(nor) blabla


请指教


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-5-15 10:49

Hope it helps:

Nor/or

Both nor and or are Standard after an initial no or not, although or is more frequent today: No running nor [or] shouting is permitted in the corridors. Not wheedling nor [or] threatening could move her. Typically nor is Standard after neither, particularly in Oratorical contexts, Edited English, and other Formal uses, as in Neither her father nor her mother attended her recital. But or can also occur there. Nor is also Standard in other negative statements, as in I didn’t want dessert, nor did I want coffee. Nor meaning than is Nonstandard and regional at best, and many would label it Substandard instead: She’s no brighter nor I am.

The rules for using nor are neither simple nor easy to spell out. When using neither in a balanced construction that negates two parts of a sentence, you must use nor, not or, in the second part. Thus you must say He is neither able nor (not or) willing to go. Similarly, you must use nor (not or) when negating the second of two negative independent clauses: He cannot find anyone now, nor does he expect to find anyone in the future. Jane will never compromise with Bill, nor will Bill compromise with Jane. Note that in these constructions nor causes an inversion of the auxiliary verb and the subject (does he will Bill …). However, when a verb is negated by not or never, and is followed by a negative verb phrase (but not an entire clause), you can use either or or nor: He will not permit the change or (or nor) even consider it. In noun phrases of the type no this or that, or is actually more common than nor: He has no experience or interest (less frequently nor interest) in chemistry. Or is also more common than nor when such a noun phrase, adjective phrase, or adverb phrase is introduced by not: He is not a philosopher or a statesman. They were not rich or happy.


作者: ruiyu25    时间: 2004-5-15 11:54
thanks a lot, Marie MM.  This helps a lot!
作者: TracyWei    时间: 2010-5-30 20:09
我来翻译一下吧,明天考了,突然想起这个语法点是个盲区……看上面MM的回复,大致意思就是说NOR前后是clause,但是or前后是名词啊形容词啊……记住这个就基本OKAY了……另外就是nor的话要注意倒装
作者: TracyWei    时间: 2010-5-30 20:10
突然意识到……此帖子竟然是04年额……
作者: yukizz    时间: 2010-8-26 14:18
04年也没事啊~~~~谢谢你翻译,哈
作者: Kate200815019    时间: 2010-10-3 09:20
Thanks a lot !That 's really excellent explanation.
作者: Jane412    时间: 2011-12-3 14:32
ding~~~
作者: 红叶夕歌    时间: 2012-1-16 10:50
很有用~~
作者: 199249712    时间: 2012-3-18 10:09
37.   (26417-!-item-!-188;#058&002629)


One report concludes that many schools do nothave, or likely to have, enough computers to use them effectively.


(A) or

(B) nor

(C) or are

(D) nor arethey

(E) nor are not



我想这道题不选C的原因就是这样吧??

作者: jay871750293    时间: 2012-4-19 20:30
Hope it helps:
Nor/or
Both nor and or are Standard after an initial no or not, although or is more frequent today: No running nor [or] shouting is permitted in the corridors. Not wheedling nor [or] threatening could move her. Typically nor is Standard after neither, particularly in Oratorical contexts, Edited English, and other Formal uses, as in Neither her father nor her mother attended her recital. But or can also occur there. Nor is also Standard in other negative statements, as in I didn’t want dessert, nor did I want coffee. Nor meaning than is Nonstandard and regional at best, and many would label it Substandard instead: She’s no brighter nor I am.



The rules for using nor are neither simple nor easy to spell out. When using neither in a balanced construction that negates two parts of a sentence, you must use nor, not or, in the second part. Thus you must say He is neither able nor (not or) willing to go. Similarly, you must use nor (not or) when negating the second of two negative independent clauses: He cannot find anyone now, nor does he expect to find anyone in the future. Jane will never compromise with Bill, nor will Bill compromise with Jane. Note that in these constructions nor causes an inversion of the auxiliary verb and the subject (does he will Bill …). However, when a verb is negated by not or never, and is followed by a negative verb phrase (but not an entire clause), you can use either or or nor: He will not permit the change or (or nor) even consider it. In noun phrases of the type no this or that, or is actually more common than nor: He has no experience or interest (less frequently nor interest) in chemistry. Or is also more common than nor when such a noun phrase, adjective phrase, or adverb phrase is introduced by not: He is not a philosopher or a statesman. They were not rich or happy.
-- by 会员 mariezhu (2004/5/15 10:49:00)



太牛了!!!
非常感谢~~~
作者: Jointfly    时间: 2015-11-11 21:38
mariezhu 发表于 2004-5-15 10:49
Hope it helps:Nor/or The rules for using nor are neither simple nor easy to spell out. When using ne ...

同意!               
作者: 爱哭的santa    时间: 2015-12-15 15:40
Ron在曼哈顿论坛里的回答,补充过来,一起学习:
Coordinating conjunction connects two independent clauses.
this is one possible use of "nor".
it can also be used simply to connect nouns, if it is paired with "neither": i eat neither bread nor pasta.
作者: Luziye    时间: 2016-7-26 15:38
感谢分享!               
作者: cedarmocey    时间: 2016-8-28 21:23
我来补充一点:根据ron对prep07-1-37的讲解。
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/one-report-concludes-that-many-schools-do-not-have-t5713.html

04年那个学长说nor或者or后面只是verb phrase,不是entire clause时候,or nor都可以。
但是用or时要注意,当后面的动词能跟前面完全匹配上时才能用or。prep07-1-37:C选项 many schools do not have, or are likely to have. 其中or are就是错误的,因为do not跟are likely to have不搭配,不能说do not are likely to have。像do not swim or run这种就可以,因为do not既可以跟swim搭配,又可以跟run搭配。
作者: 忙着成长    时间: 2016-11-28 10:43
199249712 发表于 2012-3-18 10:09
37.   (26417-!-item-!-188;#058&002629) One report concludes that many schools do nothave, or li ...

没错
作者: Vizar    时间: 2017-8-21 11:41
感谢分享!               
作者: Binhomekong    时间: 2017-9-1 14:47
OG:
In the early part of the twentieth century, many vacationers found that driving automobiles and sleeping in tents allowed them to enjoy nature close at hand and tour at their own pace," with none of the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the "formalities, expenses, and impersonality of hotels.

    A with none of the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the
    B with none of the restrictions of passenger trains, railroad timetables, nor
    C without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables nor
    D without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the
    E without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or the
按照"NOR前后是clause,但是or前后是名词啊形容词啊"the restrictions of passenger trains / railroad timetables /Formalities/impersonality of hotels都是名词,所以用or?
感谢04年的各位
作者: Adela加油    时间: 2017-9-18 19:58
感谢分享!               
作者: rola_qian    时间: 2017-9-30 18:15
感谢04年的各位以及翻译!天哪CD总给我一种穿越时空的感觉 希望最后一次可以分手成功!
作者: Ivan0522    时间: 2018-10-17 06:41
TracyWei 发表于 2010-5-30 20:10
突然意识到……此帖子竟然是04年额……

此帖子竟然是10年的额……
作者: entropy233    时间: 2019-4-27 08:14
10年过去了...不同的人,在不同时间看同样的知识,好感慨哦
作者: 思慰    时间: 2019-9-6 20:53
补上Ron对nor的解释:

"schools do not have many computers, nor do they need many"

basically, it can do one of two things:

1/ by itself, it can link a negative sentence to another negative. in this case, the first sentence is a normal sentence that expresses a negative; in the second sentence there's an inversion of the subject and helping verb (here, "do" and "they").

2/ "neither ... nor ..." can link parallel structures.
作者: AMBER513    时间: 2019-9-8 09:07
来考古
作者: 杰西卡会考700    时间: 2019-9-22 19:12
cedarmocey 发表于 2016-8-28 21:23
我来补充一点:根据ron对prep07-1-37的讲解。
https://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/forums/one-report-conc ...

Mark一下!               
作者: 杰西卡会考700    时间: 2019-9-22 19:14
entropy233 发表于 2019-4-27 08:14
10年过去了...不同的人,在不同时间看同样的知识,好感慨哦

呜呜呜 真的。还有看曼哈顿的时候也是,有一种“这么多年过去了,原来全世界的人都有同一种困惑啊”
作者: 10月一定700    时间: 2019-12-29 22:04
这个贴解释了我长久的疑惑
作者: 尾尾巴    时间: 2020-10-30 14:41
收藏 纠错

In the early part of the twentieth century, many vacationers found that driving automobiles and sleeping in tents allowed them to enjoy nature close at hand and tour at their own pace, with none of the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the formalities, expenses, and impersonality of hotels.

A.
with none of the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the
B.
with none of the restrictions of passenger trains, railroad timetables, nor
C.
without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables nor
D.
without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or with the
E.
without the restrictions of passenger trains and railroad timetables or the

求解释这一题的c,我理解为with no。。nor。。这样平行,谢谢!
作者: 苏二在努力    时间: 2023-8-30 17:07
感谢分享!               




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