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作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-26 17:07
标题: opeman SC 新题 9 讨论

Q9:By merging its two publishing divisions, the company will increase their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.


A. their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging
B.
from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
C.
to 10 percent from 6 percent in their share of the $21 billion book market in the country, a market ranging
D.
in its share, from 6 percent to 10 percent, of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
E.
to 10 percent from 6 percent its share of the country’s $21 billion book market, which ranges


Answer:E  why not B? 我选D, E中to 10 percent from 6 percent its share 是什么关系?


Jerry: E中的to 10 percent from 6 percent作状语 修increase, 而不是its share


那么请问its share of the country’s $21 billion book market在句中又是做什么成分?谢谢!


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 17:53

我好像曾听白大侠说gmat正确选项里不会出现A of B's C的用法,怎么这一条也有例外么?

能从gamt题里找到这种形式,而且是正确选项就可以给白大侠致命一击了,呵呵


作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-26 18:16
我认同pumpkin mm 关于同位语选项表达清楚的说法。可是如果说their = publishing divisions 的话,那为什么不用their shares
作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 18:23
以下是引用pumpkin在2004-4-26 17:54:00的发言:

By merging its two publishing divisions, the company will increase their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.


选A. their=publishing divisions


from ... to...


a market同位语


别的选项都有问题




问题是这个share应该理解成company的,还是那两个publishing division的,我倾向于前者。


这两个divisions合并后成了一个,原来的都不存在了,还怎么把their share 从..提高到..



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作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-26 19:37

同意marie mm,再回到我的问题吧!

Q9:By merging its two publishing divisions, the company will increase their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.

A. their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging
B.
from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
C.
to 10 percent from 6 percent in their share of the $21 billion book market in the country, a market ranging
D.
in its share, from 6 percent to 10 percent, of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
E.
to 10 percent from 6 percent its share of the country’s $21 billion book market, which ranges

Answer:E  why not B? 我选D, E中to 10 percent from 6 percent its share 是什么关系?

Jerry: E中的to 10 percent from 6 percent作状语 修increase, 而不是its share

那么请问its share of the country’s $21 billion book market在句中又是做什么成分?谢谢!


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-27 12:04

其实句子如果简写就是这样:

increase its share (of..) from % to %


作者: dashasha    时间: 2004-4-27 14:34
同意mariezhu对句子的简写。我觉得选E。应该是company's share,不是two divisions' share.
作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-27 14:38
根据marie mm的说法,是不是将from % to % 提前,以使which ranges 可以就近修饰 market? 谢谢!
作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-28 10:43

pumpkin mm的说法真是很有道理,而且我也一直觉得这里用a market同位语是最清楚的表达。但是一直困惑于到底是share of the divisions 还是share of the company ,即 their share 还是its share,(their shares 已被mm 说服是错的)。

我的想法是从逻辑上来讲,不管这个公司内部有多少个divisions,它与整个国家的市场(the country's market)来比较的话,就是以一个公司为单位来比,即各个公司在这个市场上所占的份额,而非其内部的几个division。换句话说,如果这个公司还有其他的第三个division的话,只是提高了这两个合并后的division 在市场上的份额的话,对公司来讲意义并不大。即公司要比较的是作为一个整体单位在市场上的份额。(有点绕口令,不知大家是否明白我的意思?)

然而这题的难点就在于满足了我所说的逻辑问题的选项就没有使用a market同位语这样的清楚表达方式!

请NN们再来说服说服偶,谢谢!


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-4-28 10:46

明白LES对pumpkin的意见。

这题,现在看来:每个答案都有瑕疵。:(


作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-4-28 23:22

别争议了。选A.


一个公司在某方面的市场份额不会因为几个部门的合并而增加。合并后,部门的市场份额将增加。a market指代清晰。


作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-29 16:05
谢谢weiyu, 这个解释倒是蛮符合句意的。不过这家公司很无聊,有点自欺欺人!
作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-29 16:09
哦对了,偶原来想的是合并是强强联手,资源优化,是其结果提高市场份额,而非合并本身提高市场份额! 有点逻辑的说!
作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-4-29 16:10
晕,果然是这样!谢谢weiyu,pumpkin
作者: X_TonY_X    时间: 2004-4-29 19:59

sry, 我认为明显应该是company的share. 合并部门提高公司竞争力是惯常的做法,况且这里根本未提到是何divisions, 比如完全可能合并的是比如"后勤部"和"客户部",这样的话描述他们在market里的share增加是nonsensical的,题目也没有基础支持相似的假设.

E在我看来没有任何问题. 欢迎讨论


作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-30 10:46

Tony, 关于何division 文中倒是明确地说two publishing divisions。

不过偶还是坚持原来的想法:“
合并是强强联手,资源优化,其合并的结果提高公司在整个市场上的份额,而非合并本身提高两个部门在市场上的份额” 这里应该是 1+1 > 2 而非 1+1 = 2!否则这公司不是在自欺欺人?!!!

希望大家能说服偶,有个明确的答案,否则偶怀疑题目选项是否有问题!


作者: X_TonY_X    时间: 2004-4-30 11:04

LES,我的意思是: 不知道是哪两个divisions, 如果是非营业性的division, 根本无所谓的market share 可谈. 当然如果是IBD或者Fixed Income Division, 那是有在自己领域的share的,但题目不支持关于此点的任何联想.

E的"to ten percent from five percent"前置我想大家没有任何异议吧. from..to...确实比to...from...要常见,尤其是to & from前后两部分比较对称时. 但并不代表to..from...是错的, 比如 to 50% from the lowest level in the past three years, 此时因为from后面部分较长,这里读起来就很通顺. 这里的本质区别不是语法对错. 此外, E的 country's 是规范的, 此外能用's的我想大家也都比较清楚: 人,高级动物, 城市,政府学校其他一些组织等. E应该是没有错误的.

D的错误就在最后. GMAT对which 的要求不是我把选项看了3秒种后看清它修饰谁了,而是要求第一眼! 要跳跃的话一般必须在单复上有所区别.


作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-30 12:18
同意Tony 关于to... from... 的倒置。但是偶还有一个关于E选项的小小疑问:

increase (to 10 percent from 6 percent) its share of the country’s $21 billion book market, which ranges

通常的顺序是不是:increase its share of the country’s $21 billion book market (to 10 percent from 6 percent)
这里将its share of the country’s $21 billion book market 后置是为了which引导的非限定性从句可以就近修饰market? 谢谢!

作者: X_TonY_X    时间: 2004-4-30 13:22

我觉得这是道很好的题.

LES,状语的位置是根据作者的需要而定的, 比如他想强调的内容或者对句子整体的结构安排. 这里作者要强调的是"increase to 10 percent" 这个动态变化, 比如OG 259, "bringing to 34 the number", 所以把壮语前置,这样一来也能使which从句放在最后, 非常清晰.

想再谈一谈A选项. 关于A,俺前面的理由不能否定"their"(看错了,对不起). 这里,我基本同意LES的观点. division也许有时侯能拥有share, 但和company比哪个常见得多,哪个更自然? A还有其他两个毛病:

1)壮语后置.  by merging its divisions, 作者表述的重点是合并后带来的变化, 而后置后最后的同位语让人感觉重心在a market or its share上,语义没有E好. 大家可以仔细体会一下.

2) 同位语的应用. 个人感觉这是个难点. 同位语起到指代的作用, 可以是对前面句子内容的概括,也可以指前面的名词,此时其作用和代词有一定相似. A中的a market 由于不是中心词(share of the market), 所以这里用a market 作前面非中心词的同位语并不好. 见OG208. "composed of tissues...., tissues..."这里虽然前面也有of, 但tissue作明确的宾语. OG中其他情况也都是中心词. 此题这种情况用从句更好.


作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-17 10:50

首先非常抱歉,由于前段时间忙于应付TOEFL,没有及时来看这里的回复。

Tony这么细致的解释,真是令偶感动!偶现在确认选E!

非常谢谢Tony!


作者: 日本王八    时间: 2004-5-17 21:59
绝对是E。嗬嗬!!!
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-5-18 08:48

Q9:By merging its two publishing divisions, the company will increase their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.


A. their share of the country’s $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging
B.
from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
C.
to 10 percent from 6 percent in their share of the $21 billion book market in the country, a market ranging
D.
in its share, from 6 percent to 10 percent, of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
E.
to 10 percent from 6 percent its share of the country’s $21 billion book market, which ranges


可是E的to...from...应该是错的呀?而且B的which从句是可以修饰中心词的。B的which修饰market完全是可以的。


大全376,补充70,      In Egypt in the late Paleolithic period, the climate changed, pastures became deserts, and the inhabitants were forced to withdraw to the land bordering the Nile from their hunting grounds.


(A) inhabitants were forced to withdraw to the land bordering the Nile from their hunting grounds


(B) inhabitants had been forced to withdraw from their hunting grounds to the land that bordered the Nile


(C) inhabitants were forced to withdraw from their hunting grounds to the land bordering the Nile


(D) inhabitants having been forced to, withdrew from their hunting grounds to the land that bordered the NileC


(E) inhabitants withdrew, because they were forced to, from their hunting grounds to the land bordering the Nile


答案是C,C和A的唯一区别就是from...to...,难道from...to...不能作为判据吗?



114. From the bark of the paper birch tree the Menomini crafted a canoe about twenty feet long and two feet wide, with small ribs and rails of cedar, which could carry four persons or eight hundred pounds of baggage so light that a person could easily portage it around impeding rapids.


(A) baggage so light


(B) baggage being so light


(C) baggage, yet being so light


(D) baggage, and so lightE


(E) baggage yet was so light


题目中,which指代作为中心词的先行词canoe,也是可以的。


请NN指教。


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作者: 日本王八    时间: 2004-5-18 11:22

to 10 percent from 6 percent 一点问题都没有,这是故意迷惑我们的。我们似乎只熟悉from 6 percent to 10 percent


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-5-18 11:52

不过tianwanGG你举的这个例子里A把from to 变成to from是有歧义的

可以理解成正常的withdraw to <the land bordering the Nile> from their hunting grounds

但也可以是错误的withdraw to the land <bordering the Nile from their hunting grounds>

可是楼主的这道题from to到to from倒不至于产生类似的歧义

此外我还是认为如果两个divisions已经被merged了,再说增加their market share有点说不过去.即使理解为their share, 那么6%是两个division原来所占市场份额,10%则应该是合并以后总公司所占的份额了吧,毕竟they已经不存在了.那么用一个their来修饰两个分属不同物主的事务,逻辑上是不是有歧义? 从这个角度讲不如用its


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-5-18 13:00

谢谢merie mm。偶被LZM坑了。



B. from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges


可是因为中心词,B没有错啊。tony的说法有道理,但是前面的2个which远离中心词的例子也都是正确的,都是ETS写的东西。凭什么本题的B就不行。


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作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-5-18 13:20

这个偶也在犯怵...


作者: 日本王八    时间: 2004-5-18 16:33
“偶被LZM坑了”。可不能这样说,而是因为我们有时读书都过于不信自己而信牛人。雪个教训吧,嗬嗬,楼上的妹妹功力不浅哪,快到“骨灰级”啦。赫赫。
作者: fair_sword    时间: 2004-7-5 10:50
以下是引用tianwan在2004-5-18 13:00:00的发言:

谢谢merie mm。偶被LZM坑了。



B. from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges


可是因为中心词,B没有错啊。tony的说法有道理,但是前面的2个which远离中心词的例子也都是正确的,都是ETS写的东西。凭什么本题的B就不行。



同意E. B有3个不好:

1,B中in the country 该变了原句中country的修饰关系,仔细读A,B,E中关于country's 和in the country就可以分辨出来

2。increase A from 2 to 10, 可以倒装为 increase to 10 from 2 A, 但是, increase from 2 to 10 A,觉得有点怪。

3,B中which 有3个可以指待,share, market, country, 而指代share,market时逻辑意思没有办法区分是谁对。但是大全114中which的指代从逻辑意思上只可能是canoe


作者: numero    时间: 2004-8-16 21:34
答案究竟是哪个呢??
作者: bryan0806    时间: 2004-9-17 20:40
以下是引用fair_sword在2004-7-5 10:50:00的发言:


同意E. B有3个不好:

1,B中in the country 该变了原句中country的修饰关系,仔细读A,B,E中关于country's 和in the country就可以分辨出来

2。increase A from 2 to 10, 可以倒装为 increase to 10 from 2 A, 但是, increase from 2 to 10 A,觉得有点怪。

3,B中which 有3个可以指待,share, market, country, 而指代share,market时逻辑意思没有办法区分是谁对。但是大全114中which的指代从逻辑意思上只可能是canoe


同意此看法   

我原本选B  现在被说服 改E 了


作者: 心晴    时间: 2004-10-12 11:48
偶第一次做GWD,做题的时候就已经准备跳楼了,看完讨论更坚定了跳楼的决心,怎么觉得哪个都不对的:(。好像记得GWD自己说过,哪个读的顺就是答案的,怎么到了这里读的不顺的反而是答案了,特别是to...from和那个双重所有格。另外问一下,如果把A的their改成its,是不是就对了?
作者: bryan0806    时间: 2004-10-12 12:05
以下是引用心晴在2004-10-12 11:48:00的发言:
偶第一次做GWD,做题的时候就已经准备跳楼了,看完讨论更坚定了跳楼的决心,怎么觉得哪个都不对的:(。好像记得GWD自己说过,哪个读的顺就是答案的,怎么到了这里读的不顺的反而是答案了,特别是to...from和那个双重所有格。另外问一下,如果把A的their改成its,是不是就对了?

我觉得可以 但是 23 楼的讲解也挺有道理  这题实在不好作答

还有妹妹想跳楼 就看一下我发的帖子 可能就不想跳了吧

http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=12&ID=69066&page=8


作者: xionghuixh    时间: 2005-1-22 06:50
what the answer is on earth?
作者: shandonggarlic    时间: 2005-11-2 05:33

昨天第一次做GWD,比较郁闷;过来看讨论区,似乎一天也看不出谁讲得更有道理。也发表一下欧的偏见:


既然题中不论its share 还是their share都可以根据单复数找到对应的指代,那么its和their就不该作为判断的标准;从其他方面来看,A也不错。


作者: martycai    时间: 2010-6-10 23:28
真的顶不上去么?
作者: martycai    时间: 2010-6-10 23:28
我多顶几次呢?
作者: martycai    时间: 2010-6-10 23:29
还是不行么?不可能啊!
作者: martycai    时间: 2010-6-10 23:29
顶啊!
作者: 流浪的心    时间: 2010-9-6 11:37
这题D 应该是不对的吧

of  前面没有中心词
作者: lu80    时间: 2010-10-18 23:18
应该是E吧,TONY大牛好像说服另外几个牛牛了,比如:LES。




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