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作者: summer614    时间: 2004-4-26 07:34
标题: 欢迎大家讨论(新增一道)

The artist renoir’s last word was “ flowers”, spoken as they arranged a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden in a vase on his bedroom windowsill


As a bouquet of roses had been just picked from his garden and was being arranged


As a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden was being arranged


During the arrangement of a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden


While they arranged a bouquet of roses that had just been picked from his garden


in addition to being china’s first administrators , in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire , the first literate culture in east asia were the shang, and they were well known for crafting ornate bronze ritual vessels


the first literate culture in east asia were the shang, well known as the crafters of


the shang , as the first literate culture in east asia, is well known for its crafting


the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and are well known as the crafters of


the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and well known for its crafted



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作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-26 07:48

C?As a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden was being arranged。每次看到as,while,偶都头痛


作者: summer614    时间: 2004-4-26 07:52
答案给的是这个,WHY?ETS不是很不喜欢这个Being 吗?
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-26 08:00

表被动的进行时用was/is/are/were being是对的;before,after后用being是对的。请NN们再提供别的例子。


作者: JerryGuan    时间: 2004-4-26 09:23

第二题:the shang , as the first literate culture in east asia, is well known for its crafting ?

此题重点是搞清楚shang是什么东东,单或复?


作者: 憧憬    时间: 2004-4-26 09:38
shang是商朝吧,这题目好奇怪啊
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-26 09:59

2,D? 是吗?


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 10:06

GG的题目好难哪,快被搞晕了....


第二题是不是


the shang , as the first literate culture in east asia, is well known for its crafting


本来选D的,但是现在觉得时态似乎不对


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作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-4-26 10:19
   第2题我认为是D:

the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and are well known as the crafters of

  


作者: snow_mountain    时间: 2004-4-26 10:19

第一题还有一个判断的点是:  garden 跟in a vase 连在一起的肯定不对。 照ETS的理解就是: the garden is located in his vase 一样absurd.   

这就好像OG里面有两题: 一条是 什么火山爆发是发生在两封信里面的,另一条是古代亚历山大图书馆被火烧了的那条。都是修饰位置不对产生的歧异。


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-26 10:19
以下是引用JerryGuan在2004-4-26 9:23:00的发言:

第二题:the shang , as the first literate culture in east asia, is well known for its crafting ?


此题重点是搞清楚shang是什么东东,单或复?

不好懂!



作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 10:32
前面有位MM说了,我也认为是商朝
作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-4-26 10:43
   根据这个:first administrators 和they ,我认为shang是复数名词
作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 11:19

(看了前面的their一开始就选了D,但是仔细看来D的时态又很奇怪啊)


我认为shang是集体名词


关于COLLECTIVE NOUN,找到一些解释,大家分享:












Some nouns, like committee, clergy, enemy, group, family, and team, refer to a group but are singular in form. These nouns are called collective nouns. In American usage, a collective noun takes a singular verb when it refers to the collection considered as a whole, as in The family was united on this question or The enemy is suing for peace. It takes a plural verb when it refers to the members of the group considered as individuals, as in My family are always fighting among themselves or The enemy were showing up in groups of three or four to turn in their weapons. In British usage, collective nouns are more often treated as plurals: The government have not announced a new policy. The team are playing in the test matches next week.   1
  Be careful not to treat a collective noun as both singular and plural in the same construction. Thus you should say The family is determined to press its (not their) claim.   2
  Collective nouns always refer to living creatures. Similar inanimate nouns, such as furniture and luggage, differ in that they cannot be counted individually. That is why you cannot buy a furniture or a luggage. These nouns are usually called mass nouns or noncount nouns. They always take a singular verb: The bedroom furniture was on sale.


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作者: cmtn    时间: 2004-4-26 11:19

1, C

2, D

agree with "dreadpower" that shang is a 复数名词, and be known as sth is better than be  known for


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 11:30
以下是引用cmtn在2004-4-26 11:19:00的发言:

agree with "dreadpower" that shang is a 复数名词, and be known as sth is better than be  known for


不过这里是be well known 啊,应该是be known as, be well known for


作者: liu_9000    时间: 2004-4-26 11:33
以下是引用summer614在2004-4-26 7:34:00的发言:

The artist renoir’s last word was “ flowers”, spoken as they arranged a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden in a vase on his bedroom windowsill


As a bouquet of roses had been just picked from his garden and was being arranged


As a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden was being arranged


During the arrangement of a bouquet of roses just picked from his garden


While they arranged a bouquet of roses that had just been picked from his garden


in addition to being china’s first administrators , in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire , the first literate culture in east asia were the shang, and they were well known for crafting ornate bronze ritual vessels


the first literate culture in east asia were the shang, well known as the crafters of


the shang , as the first literate culture in east asia, is well known for its crafting


the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and are well known as the crafters of


the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and well known for its crafted



个人认为:

1, C

A, E 中的they不知道指什么. D的during看着很不爽. speak a word "during", 难道在这段时间一直说这个字? 看见C的was being不爽, 但B的had been picked 与was being一起用,不知道要表达什么时态. 只好选C了...

2. D

未划线的部分有个they, 只能用来指主语了. 虽然不知道shang 是什么东东, 但the first literate culture总不能是复数吧? 这样就去掉了A,B. C,E中的its crafting(crafted) 是单数.只能选D了.(所有的推论都是基于未划线的"they",希望楼主不要告诉说: they是笔误...)


欢迎大家指正


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 11:52

可以看看这一题,正确答案是D

1.        Under Napoleon the French were not able to organize an adequate supply system, and it was a major cause of the failure of their invasion of Russia.

(A) Under Napoleon the French were not able to organize an adequate supply system, and it

(B) The French being unable to organize an adequate supply system under Napoleon

(C) For the French under Napoleon, to be unable to organize an adequate supply system

(D) The inability of the French under Napoleon to organize an adequate supply system

(E) The French inability under Napoleon of organizing an adequate supply system.

the French,但后跟their

搜肠刮肚,原因还是觉得D时态有问题,如果有人从时态上给个解释,那小妹也就闭嘴了,heh


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 12:01

另外觉得这句话还有个逻辑意思在里面,咱们姑且认为C和D从语法上都对,来看看意思

D:in addition to being china’s first administrators , (in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire) the shang were the first literate culture in east asia AND are well known as the crafters of ..

C: in addition to being china’s first administrators , the shang,( as the first literate culture in east asia), is well known for its crafting ..

个人觉得C的仅从逻辑上看也跟合理一些,妞妞们请指正


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-26 12:15

同感。有没有人能把这句D给翻得顺溜些?从指代角度,似乎只能是D。

但感觉the shang 很难在意思上同时满足 being china’s first administrators , (in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire) the first literate culture in east asia AND the crafters of ..
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作者: cmtn    时间: 2004-4-26 12:31

Agree that D seems to have some thing wrong with 时态, "were the first", read like that Shang used to be the first, but now "Shang" is/are not.

One the other hand, the "shang" seems to be a plural.

Do not know which is better.


作者: dashasha    时间: 2004-4-26 12:33
MARIEZHU妹妹,我觉得应该选D。时态没什么问题啊。前面用过去式,后面用现在时是表示现在才WELL KNOWN啊。C除了单复数问题外,还有个CRAFT的使用问题。CRAFT是名词,CRAFTING是什么意思呢?
作者: LES    时间: 2004-4-26 12:39

in addition to being china’s first administrators , in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire , the first literate culture in east asia were the shang, and they were well known for crafting ornate bronze ritual vessels

D. the shang were the first literate culture in east asia and are well known as the crafters of

我觉得D的时态没有问题,前半句强调the shang在当时成为亚洲地区的文化中心,与in the sense that(=because)...是因果关系;而后半句:他们因...而著名,是一客观事实,所以用一般现在时。


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 13:04

有点晕了吃完午饭再跟大家讨论吧


不过建议大家考虑以下几个方面


1. 逻辑意思:in addition to being, the shang, as.., is well known 还是in addition to being.., the shang, were .. and are.., as内的内容和商朝well known as/for之间是并列关系还是“商作为..,以..而著称?


2.时态问题如何理解,前半部是个客观事实,还是当时如何如何然后转到现在。。


3。be well known for, be well known as


4. for its crafting of,as the crafters of


5.collective noun后跟单复数问题,以及collective noun是否可以跟their等复数代词使用问题


大家讨论吧,真理越辩越明嘛。


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作者: cmtn    时间: 2004-4-26 13:21
if the answer is "the Shang ARE the first ... and are known as ...", then D is no problem, but "WERE" still read like "used to be, but now are not"
作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-26 14:35
以下是引用cmtn在2004-4-26 13:21:00的发言:
if the answer is "the Shang ARE the first ... and are known as ...", then D is no problem, but "WERE" still read like "used to be, but now are not"


agree !!
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作者: ios    时间: 2004-4-26 16:48

were,   不是are,关键在in the sense that they developed a coherent bureaucracy for their empire 。

现在的标准可能不在于此,所以用were。


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-27 12:35

嘻嘻,经过慎重考虑觉得这题的答案还是D好些

本来改选C是因为对D的时态有疑虑,但现在觉得一众XDJM关于时态的指教不无道理,另外,发现C的另一大缺陷:its

虽然语法上在美式英语中集体名词在指一个整体的时候后应跟单数动词,但是资料同时指出在一个句子中集体名词的单数或复数的形式应保持一致,而C在划线部分的最后使用its(当时忽略了,不好意思)正是犯了这个大忌。

相关的reference如下:

In American usage, a collective noun takes a singular verb when it refers to the collection considered as a whole, as in The family was united on this question or The enemy is suing for peace. It takes a plural verb when it refers to the members of the group considered as individuals, as in My family are always fighting among themselves or The enemy were showing up in groups of three or four to turn in their weapons. In British usage, collective nouns are more often treated as plurals: The government have not announced a new policy. The team are playing in the test matches next week.  Be careful not to treat a collective noun as both singular and plural in the same construction.

感谢大家参与讨论使我对collective noun的理解更加完善。






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