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作者: summer614    时间: 2004-4-24 22:01
标题: 牛牛们帮忙看看啊

In one state , all cities and most towns have antismoking ordinance . A petition entitled “ petition for statewide smoking restriction “ is being circulated to voters by campain workers who ask only .’ Do you want to sign a petition for statewide smoking restriction ?” the petition advocates a state law banning smoking in most retail establishments and in government offices that are open to the public .


Which of the following circumstances would make the petitionj as circulated misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide ?


The state law would not affect existing local ordinances baning smoking in places where the fire authorities have determined that smoking would constitute a fire hazard   


Health costs associated with smoking cause health insurance premiums to rise for everyone and so affect nonsmokers


In rural areas of the state, there are relatively few retail establishment and government offices that are open to the public


The state law would supersede the local antismoking ordinances, which contain stronger bans than the state law does


There is considerable sentiment among voters in most areas of the state for restriction of smoking


a


A medieval manuscript called L contains all eighteen extant tragedies by the Greek playwright Euripides . of  these, ten called the “select plays “, are  accompanied in L  by  ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts, this group includes some of euripides’best-known works, including the Medea. The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary , the Electra is one of the alphabeticals.



Which of the following can be reliably concluded on the basis of the statements given



Only euripides’ best-known works are accompanied by ancient commentaries in extant medieval manuscripts


The select plays are accompanied by ancient commentaries because they were the best known of euripides’ works


No commentaries were written about Euripides’ electra in ancient times


Euripides’ medea never appears in medieval manuscripts unaccompanied by ancient commentary


Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript,


e


想不明白,大家帮帮忙啊


作者: 番茄炒蛋    时间: 2004-4-24 22:52

不是NN,尝试一下,

第一题说voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide

而A中又说The state law would not affect existing local ordinances

所以这当然会misleading咯,呵呵,我都看不懂了

第二题较好理解,说是有18个剧本吧,其中十个呢are  accompanied in L  by  ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts

The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary ,

the Electra就属于这后八个,所以 Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript


作者: 憧憬    时间: 2004-4-25 00:46
以下是引用番茄炒蛋在2004-4-24 22:52:00的发言:

不是NN,尝试一下,


第一题说voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide


而A中又说The state law would not affect existing local ordinances


所以这当然会misleading咯,呵呵,我都看不懂了



第二题较好理解,说是有18个剧本吧,其中十个呢are  accompanied in L  by  ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts


The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary ,


the Electra就属于这后八个,所以 Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript


题目中说的是 某一个manuscript   选项中说的是any extant medieval manuscript啊。


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-4-25 09:14

第二题有疑问:10个既有注解 也出现在别的中世纪的手稿中。那剩下的8个可能有3种情况:有注解 不出现在别的中世纪的手稿中;没有注解 出现在别的中世纪的手稿中(同时可能在别的中世纪的手稿中有注解,这个别的中世纪的手稿可能是extant);没有注解 不出现在别的中世纪的手稿中。

请NN帮助理解。


作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-25 10:56

第一题我怎么看着象D啊,难道脑子出问题了?想不通


既然voters understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide即新举措只是原来举措的延伸, 那么对他们而言misleading 的应该是新举措推翻了现存的举措,所以D,The state law would supersede the local antismoking ordinances, which contain stronger bans than the state law does。而A说不会推翻已有的规定,那么新规定就可以被堂而皇之地视作extending啊


请大牛指示!


第二题我和tianwangg有相同疑问,不过如果考试一路看下来用排除法,也只能是E了,其它明显错误


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作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-4-25 12:43
T2

Any tragedy such as Electra accompanied by a commentary is not included in the medieval manuscript mentioned in the first sentence, therefore if Electra without commentary can be found in other extant medieval manuscript, the assertion that the manuscript mentioned at the beginning of argument contains all extant tragedies may not be right.


作者: 番茄炒蛋    时间: 2004-4-25 16:05

再尝试一把

第一题得misleading之处是在于原文得那些voters相信通过使立法全国话可以有助于大家都遵守这个条例,而A中所说呢是有时候全国得法规不一定可以影响到地方得法规,这就表现出了一对矛盾,而D正好是反向说明了全国性得法规是可以强加并修改地方法规得,对原文是一个support

第二题

既然原文得The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary , the Electra is one of the alphabeticals.

表明 the Electra is without commentary

那答案中得Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript更应该是在原文得那个范围之内了,我感觉没有什么问题啊

举个例子,

番茄不是个MM

问:能推出什么咚咚

答:番茄肯定不是个喜欢吃番茄得MM


作者: 憧憬    时间: 2004-4-25 16:14
以下是引用番茄炒蛋在2004-4-25 16:05:00的发言:

再尝试一把


第一题得misleading之处是在于原文得那些voters相信通过使立法全国话可以有助于大家都遵守这个条例,而A中所说呢是有时候全国得法规不一定可以影响到地方得法规,这就表现出了一对矛盾,而D正好是反向说明了全国性得法规是可以强加并修改地方法规得,对原文是一个support


第二题


既然原文得The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary , the Electra is one of the alphabeticals.


表明 the Electra is without commentary


那答案中得Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript更应该是在原文得那个范围之内了,我感觉没有什么问题啊


举个例子,


番茄不是个MM


问:能推出什么咚咚


答:番茄肯定不是个喜欢吃番茄得MM




题目中说的是L这个manuscript啊,选项中说的是所有的现存的manuscript,在L这个manuscript中没有不代表在所有的现存的manuscript中也没有啊
作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-4-25 16:16
以下是引用番茄炒蛋在2004-4-25 16:05:00的发言:

再尝试一把


第一题得misleading之处是在于原文得那些voters相信通过使立法全国话可以有助于大家都遵守这个条例,而A中所说呢是有时候全国得法规不一定可以影响到地方得法规,这就表现出了一对矛盾,而D正好是反向说明了全国性得法规是可以强加并修改地方法规得,对原文是一个support


番茄GG,第一题题目问Which of the following circumstances would make the petitionj as circulated misleading to voters who understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide ,即voters 相信proposal是local ordiances的延伸(不是更改),问那种情况会对他们产生误导作用。那么如果A,则新规定没有更改就规定,岂不是正可以视为extending?


Any clarification will be highly appreciated.


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作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-25 18:43
2. 如果Electra appear accompanied by a commentary in some extant medieval manuscripts,那么Electra就也可属于前10中,这样与原文矛盾。
作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-4-25 19:03

1. 似乎还是对题的理解的问题,我感觉misleading to voters who understand 意思是误导了voters,这些voters现在understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide ,这样答案显然是A。


如果是D,理解就是误导了(understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide )的voters,不过D对这种voters有什么样的影响,我想这可能是don't understand the proposal as extending the local ordinances statewide, 这样understand 的反应应该谈不上是misleading。


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作者: 憧憬    时间: 2004-4-25 19:28
以下是引用jnlvo在2004-4-25 18:43:00的发言:
2. 如果Electra appear accompanied by a commentary in some extant medieval manuscripts,那么Electra就也可属于前10中,这样与原文矛盾。

ten called the “select plays “, are  accompanied in L  by  ancient commentaries and also appear in other medieval manuscripts,属于前10中要两个条件,就算是Electra appear accompanied by a commentary in some extant medieval manuscripts,因为Electra 是没有commentary的,所以也不可能属于前10个啊,这样和原文就不矛盾了啊


作者: 番茄炒蛋    时间: 2004-4-25 20:06

marie MM,

第一题搞得地方只是到底这个地方性法规在被定性为全国性法规之后能不能再对地方有约束

原文是说了他们是希望通过请愿把这个禁烟法规全州化

Do you want to sign a petition for statewide smoking restriction ?”

a中只是另外说了一件事情,有些全国性得法规不一定能够规范地方,也就是说这个禁烟得法规并不能真正得全州化

The state law would not affect existing local ordinances

(注意,这并不是依附于原文而存在得,不要和原文撤在一起)

这样选民在签名得时候就会不知所措,他签名得这个法规呢即使成了全国性得法规也可能根本就不能对其他地方有效力,而他在签名前是被问道

Do you want to sign a petition for statewide smoking restriction

这不是误导是什么呢?


作者: 番茄炒蛋    时间: 2004-4-25 20:17

第二题

请注意原文最后一句

The other eight, which appear in alphabetical order , without commentary , the Electra is one of the alphabeticals.

经过语序调整后变成

the Electra is without commentary

答案是

Eruipides’Electra does not appear accompanied by a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript

这个electra连commentary都没有得,更不用谈a commentary in any extant medieval manuscript了啊

所以这个结论完全可以从原文推导出来,楼上得XDJM有人想得太多了,


作者: dreadpower    时间: 2004-4-26 13:13

    第一题答案是D,讨论过的啊

    见http://forum.chasedream.com/dispbbs.asp?boardID=24&ID=42063&page=1


作者: 睡熊    时间: 2004-4-28 00:39

第一题的答案就是(D)! 同学们,这可不行哪!


作者: mindfree    时间: 2004-4-28 01:17
Q2. The key is "...also appear in other medieval manuscripts". Based on the meaning, we can conclude that the other eight did not appear in other medieval manuscripts. Since L is the only one Electra was and there was no commentary, we can conclude E.
作者: 番茄炒蛋    时间: 2004-4-28 18:02

引用bryony在前面讨论中的原话

我选C。因为答案说,州法凌驾与地方法之上。州法又不如地方法严厉。应该不能算extending the local ordiances statewide. 相反应该是diminish the power of local ordiance statewide.
不知道对不对

我觉得这个extending是指执法范围上的延伸,并不一定说是要把法律本身的内容加强或是削弱,请楼上两位大NN再帮我看看在这页上我留的解释,最后一问,不懂也不钻牛角了,呵呵,谢谢先

我觉得投票者被问的情况(禁烟法规全国化)和实际情况(法规对地方可能会没有用)有些矛盾,在明知这些情况的前提,那些起草者还在这样问签名的人,那不就成了误导吗?


作者: 红红的云    时间: 2011-4-9 02:50
P1 = In state, cities & towns have their own ordinances

P2 = New petion: name 'Statewide...' with question '...sign for statewide campaign'

P3 = Petition: ban smoking in retail & govern offices open to public.

EC = Petition is misleading to voters on what circumstances, as they understand it is as an local ordinance being extended to statewide

Possible solution: Look out for an option that brings out a local ordinance in place and bring out an element of uncertainity - what will happen to this local ordinance when the new statewide petition/ban is enforced.
Whether the new statewide will go hand in hand with the local or will it supersede it and phase it out.




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