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标题: 比较中的助动词补出问题求NN们帮助~~~~~~~~~~~版主大NN帮助~~~~~~~~~ [打印本页]

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-14 00:25
标题: 比较中的助动词补出问题求NN们帮助~~~~~~~~~~~版主大NN帮助~~~~~~~~~
OG-12-125
Today, because of improvement of agricultural technology , the same amount of acreage produces twice as many as apples as it did in 1910.

PREP-1-24
Employment costs rose 2.8 percent in the 12months that ended in September , slightly less than they did in the year that ended in the previous quarter.

XDF蓝皮
Never before had taxpayers confronted as many changes at once as they confronted in the Tax Reform Act of 1986.

OG-12-138
In no other historical sighting did Halley's Comet cause such a worldwide sensation as in its return of 1910-1911.

觉得这几个句子满相同的,都是主语谓语相同, 比较的是不同时间状语下的宾语.
可是第一个第二个句子都是补出了主语加助动词
第三个句子是补出了主语加实意动词
第四个句子主语和动词都省略了
很困惑, 希望NN们不吝赐教

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-14 14:21
求助...........................

作者: wysmimi 时间: 2010-6-14 18:55
我觉得第四句不能算是比较吧，没有比较词than或者其他，那就没有比较的双方和补出的概念了。（拙见）

再给个宾语比较，没有补出动词的例子：望大家一起斟酌
Domestic automobile manufacturers have invested millions of dollars in research to develop cars even more gasoline-efficient than those at present on the road.

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-14 21:28
谢谢ls
第四句中的such as是比较的

不过个人觉得ls给出的比较宾语的例子是同一时期两样东西的比较,是不涉及助动词的比较的

open to discussion

作者: silent7706 时间: 2010-6-14 23:33
lz, 第四句比较的是介词词组.

The original sentence can be written as:
"Halley's Comet caused such a worldwide sensation in no other historical sighting as in its return of 1910. "

We are comparing "in no other historical sighting" and "in its return of 1910."

作者: wysmimi 时间: 2010-6-15 14:22
首先，感谢LZ，但是我对第四句的观点还是confused。查了下资料 “as引导限制性定语从句时,构成“the same ... as ...”, “such ... as ...”, “as many (much, few, little) ... as ...”等结构? as可替代先行词,在从句中作主语?表语?宾语或状语；”
如：I have never heard such a story as he is telling. 我从来没有听见过像他正在讲述的这种故事?
LZ举例中either这里as...as, such...as是定语从句？但是并不构成完整的从句啊！

另外，不同意4楼GO BLUE寂静的看法，第四句并不是比较的介词词组，比较的是“a worldwide sensation”，即其他时间造成的轰动效应不如1910年造成的。
觉得和第三句是一样的，比较的是“many changes at once ”，即其他时间面对的变化不如1986年来的多。

而查了OG12_41题：than的宾语比较
To develop more accurate population forecasts, demographers "have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic" determinants of fertility. （冒号为划线部分）
(A) have to know a great deal more than now about the social and economic
(D) would have to know a great deal more than they do now about the social and economic
答案是“D”，GMAC的解释是“the comparison made by the sentence must be between current and conditional knowledge, not between knowledge and time of knowing (now)”

最后在问LZ提问时候，划线是怎么划的？我只能用“”替代

作者: 快乐小龙 时间: 2010-6-15 17:51
不能算牛牛，复习总结的规律是，凡是主谓宾比较的，那么就需要补出助动词，LZ的例子1-3都是这种情况；不补出的话有歧义。比例I eat apple faster than you 和 I eat apple faster than you do；明显第二个比第一个更清楚，我吃苹果比你吃的快，第二个可能会被误解成我吃苹果比吃你快；

如果只主谓比较，那么可以不补出助动词比例：I eat more than you；

我想和大家谈讨得是状语的比较，4月语法狗有道题目

13XXX the growth of the economy is more sluggish than were originally predicted to be.
(B) was originally predicted to be
(D) originally predicted （答案有待确定)

大家觉得那个对呢？经常看到的报纸上是D的这种表达方法

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-15 21:55
还是同意第四句是比较介词短语的说法

下划线就是在工具栏的斜体旁边的呵呵

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-15 21:58
谢谢silent同学, 能不能再给解释一下,为什么一至三的句子不是在比较介词短语呢? 能感觉出来一点,但不是很明确的,麻烦了

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-6-15 21:59

不能算牛牛，复习总结的规律是，凡是主谓宾比较的，那么就需要补出助动词，LZ的例子1-3都是这种情况；不补出的话有歧义。比例I eat apple faster than you 和 I eat apple faster than you do；明显第二个比第一个更清楚，我吃苹果比你吃的快，第二个可能会被误解成我吃苹果比吃你快；

如果只主谓比较，那么可以不补出助动词比例：I eat more than you；

我想和大家谈讨得是状语的比较，4月语法狗有道题目

13XXX the growth of the economy is more sluggish than were originally predicted to be.
(B) was originally predicted to be
(D) originally predicted （答案有待确定)

大家觉得那个对呢？经常看到的报纸上是D的这种表达方法

-- by 会员快乐小龙 (2010/6/15 17:51:06)

个人觉得B正确, 因为是不同时间状语下面的,be动词的时态不同,不能省略

作者: silent7706 时间: 2010-6-21 12:09
Oops, 不好意思, 没有看到有留言, 所以回复晚了. 我想了下这几题，我觉得就像你说的，他们都是比较不同时间下blah blah.

IMO, we can rephrase the last sentence so that it reads, "Halley's Comet caused such a worldwide sensation in no other historical sighting as it did in its return of 1910."

By the same token, we can rewrite the 2nd sentence and omit the words in the bracket so that it reads,

"Employment costs rose 2.8 percent in the 12months that ended in September , slightly less than [they did] in the year that ended in the previous quarter."

I based my reasoning on OG11-4,
"A survey by the National Council of Churches showed that in 1986 there were 20,736 female ministers, almost 9 percent of the nation's clergy, twice as much as 1977."
A) twice as much as 1977
OG explains that A) is incorrect because it lacks "in" before 1977.

Notice, in all examples above, the two events happened at the same "time", meaning that they take the same verb tense. For instance, "caused" and "did", and "rose" and "did". Because of this reason, we can choose to omit the helping verb such as "did". In fact, doing so is preferred because it creates concise sentences.

However, I don't think that we can apply the same principle to the 1st and 3rd sentences,
"Today, because of improvement of agricultural technology , the same amount of acreage produces twice as many as apples as in 1910" incorrect.
We cannot omit the helping verb "it did" here because the two events happen at different "verb tense". For instance, we use "produces" in the 1st event because it happens today, while "produced" in the 2nd event since it happened in 1910. That is the general rule on when we can omit the helping verb.

Similarly, you should notice why we cannot omit the element in bracket in the 3rd sentence, "Never before had taxpayers confronted as many changes at once [as they confronted] in the Tax Reform Act of 1986."

I guess that I should stop here and let our experts chime in =)

作者: 卮言浅夏 时间: 2010-7-4 12:11
非常非常感谢ls的NN~明白了

作者: jeanq 时间: 2011-5-7 22:43
能问下为什么不能用lower吗第2题的D选项～根据上面牛牛的说法less than 是可以的，那lower than和less than 的区别是什么呢？？
percent为什么不能用lower 呢？

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