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标题: 我很弱，但是我想做trader! [打印本页]
作者: acc 时间: 2010-5-8 14:54
标题: 我很弱，但是我想做trader!
rt,我很弱，小女子08年毕业于一所不咋地211学校，进入某外资银行operation.
一心想进入dealing room，苦于没有机会，（当然也没有实力），于是考了gmat700+，
想去念个mba，不知道是否可以通向dream land，恳请大牛们指点一二，这条路应该怎么走？
作者: LightForm 时间: 2010-5-9 12:59
ls别这么说么..职业这东西真很讲运气的
我会建议ｌｚ先跳槽,去好点的公司,然后申请ｍｂａ,英语搞ｎｂ点, ｇｍａｔ再考一次,上个ｃｆａ２级
作者: LightForm 时间: 2010-5-9 12:59
ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的...
作者: acc 时间: 2010-5-9 13:26
谢谢 ls 的分析，我准备明年申请mba，然后是cfa，
有的时候运气的确重要，我们银行dealing rm跳槽来的有个人也只不过是普通本科毕业，只不过是在先前的小银行遇到了很好的机会，
虽然这只是小概率事件。。。
当然，我觉得机会还是给有准备的人的，所以实力才是最重要的，我要加油！
作者: jameswin 时间: 2010-5-20 13:38
做Trader不一定需要读mba，可以曲线发展，你是做opr的，可以考虑去做treasury opr，做熟悉了之后去做trader ass，再过几年转trader
trader不好做的，不管你是做技术分析，基本面分析，自己创建基本的交易系统，
做fx，bond或其他品等等，要涉及的太多了，有读mba的时间不如自己下班后好好研究。
研究好了去喊喊单，自己也可以发财的
作者: coldkevin 时间: 2010-5-23 10:08
看你想做哪方面的trading , fixed income数学要求高,国内一般做做fx,bond的flow trading,也很多本科的.
作者: prince2246 时间: 2011-2-4 12:51
我认为，考好MBA转做trader是可以考虑的，因为我听说有不少人是这样干的，但是能不能做成trader，要看自己能力，trader淘汰率很高，至少80%，你要让别人认为你有能力做trader，要知道trading是国际大行的主要利润来源，我想最好你自己也要想办法积累点相关经验，比如自己炒股等等，然后要有点自己的想法，如果成绩不错的话，会大大增加机会的。
作者: iceccn 时间: 2011-2-4 18:03
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts 
作者: sugaricing 时间: 2011-2-4 21:26
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts
-- by 会员 iceccn (2011/2/4 18:03:57)
thanks for your insight. i am about to get into the industry as a sell-side sales analyst.. it is very different from trading i know but wonder if you could give some perspectives regarding female in this industry? especially sell-side sales given your background in buy-side. much appreciated and happy new year!
作者: richardhe 时间: 2011-3-4 11:19
what about a prop trader in propshop or trading house , i mean not a prop trader in IB
作者: by4css 时间: 2011-4-13 08:49
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts
-- by 会员 iceccn (2011/2/4 18:03:57)
wow, a female trader. I am your big fan now. I am asking myself hundreds of time if I really think trading is a long-term job, but I cannot help myself these days, probably just because I am close to it but cannot touch it or I like the priviledge that traders have. Feel really hard to tell a convincing reason. But whatever, it's the career goal in my mind for these days. Btw, I am quite similar with Louzhu in background. I am doing trade support for CDS trading in a bank. I would be really appreciate if iceccn can share more insights and backgrounds.
作者: PerduAnge 时间: 2011-4-15 15:32
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts
-- by 会员 iceccn (2011/2/4 18:03:57)
nice point. but getting into PE/VC can only be much harder~
作者: templehebe 时间: 2011-4-16 03:48
作者: darklianyu 时间: 2011-4-20 01:48
想请教各位大牛，做trader对年龄有什么限制吗，30岁以上的MBA还能入行做trader吗？
作者: 沧月小鱼 时间: 2011-4-28 23:20
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts
-- by 会员 iceccn (2011/2/4 18:03:57)
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Best wishes.Cheers!
- Anna
作者: LILY0920 时间: 2011-6-6 23:18
So glad to see this article，thanks a lot.
作者: history_jnu 时间: 2011-6-7 13:06
MBA is never a typical path to be a trader(my desk not even screen MBA grad's resume), but if you want to do asset management and have no front office working exp, that may be a choice. Lots of star trader grew from boardboy, which means no college education but a good apprentice training. If you want to be a real trader, avoid sell-side trading job as that won't give you much investment insight but mostly sh*t flow business. Being a prop trader or buy-side investment professional (a research role that can lead you to be PM eventually) can be optimal, and most ppl start from either foundamental research, PE, or IBD, rather than sell-side flow trader.
I echo the comment "ｔｒａｄｅｒ不适合女孩子是真的... " and most female traders I met are pretty tough (though some of them are v nice and real in the heart actually). Being a female trader myself, I definitely feel my patience getting decreased day by day, and the exit paths are very limited -- running a hedge fund is the only good ultimate exit. Ask yourself, do you really want to be a strong woman, sitting in office and watching 8 screens everyday from 8am to 6pm (at least) and even caring about your overnight delta in dream when market goes against you? Do you want to check your blackberry every hour and watch your risk and pnl even when you are having honeymoon with your beloved ones? There are tons of ways to make good $$$, and being a trader is no longer the fastest way. If earning money and realizing social impact is your goal, I would rather suggest you go to PE/VC/Hedge Fund. Those are much more solid fields with broader outlook.
Just some random thoughts
-- by 会员 iceccn (2011/2/4 18:03:57)
这位trader大姐说的很实在。很多人整天标榜这个，风靡那个的，其实都很浮躁。做什么工作，首先要看自己适合做什么，愿意为之付出什么，能付出什么。而不是看谁谁谁做trader赚了大钱，谁谁谁做IBD当了高管，任何一条路都有它的优点和缺点，仔细衡量下，再做决定吧。
从这位trader大姐的话中，可以看出如下几点：
1、trader的工作是要从早到晚盯盘的（至少是这样）----所以问问自己能坐住不，够专心不，喜欢这个模式不？
2、trader的职业出路比较窄，最高境界就是自己跳出去开hedge fund。----问问自己，是否真的热爱这行，愿意走这条路。跳出去开hedge fund的肯定都是trader中的佼佼者，如果自己做不到很优秀，那么就可能面临出路问题。。就这点来说，做trader就不如做ibd/vc/pe等工作。
3、trader的工作很辛苦，占用了你很多的私人时间。（不过个人觉得其实做投行的也一样）
4、如果想赚钱并且赢得社会声望，那么最好选择pe/vc/hedge fund（这个就不明白了，为什么做个优秀的trader就不行吗？）
不过总的来说，trader毕竟是给投行创造最大利润的职能，如果做得好，前途大大的有。只是自己要衡量下自己的情况，是否符合trader的要求。不能盲目的明星崇拜。
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