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作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 09:01
标题: 请教大家一个to do用法的问题
请教大家一个to do用法的问题
具体的题目我找不到了,但是我记得包括OG上都有这样的解释:to do不定式之前不可以有逗号,即SVOto do这样的用法是错误的
但是在做题的时候偶尔也会碰到这样的用法
所以我想请教各位nn,上面所说的有上面前提吗?
比如prep2-13
One of the earliestknown birds with a beak and contour feathers, Confuciusornis sanctus, with largeclawlike “thumbs” on its wings, which probably helped them to climb upto a launching position for flight.
A. with large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings,which probably helped them to
B. with large clawlike “thumbs” on their wings,which probably helped it to
C. had large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings, whichprobably helped them
D. had large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings,
probably to help it 正确
E. had large clawlike “thumbs” on their wings,probably to help it


D项就用了“,to do”的形式这里不是很明白,是这里用法比较特殊吗?
请指教!
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 09:10
help me please~~!!
作者: pennyconan    时间: 2010-5-5 09:25
你说的是斑竹的这句话吗?
不定式位于句尾,使用逗号与前句隔开――这种结构是一种错误的结构。
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 09:32
对对!!
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 09:33
The features of the floor of the Kasei Valles on Mars look just like those at the base of Antarctic ice streams, so it suggests that possibly it was flowing ice that carved the giant Martian channels previously attributed to cataclysmic floods.
(A) so it suggests that possibly it was flowing ice that
(B) a suggestion that flowing ice may have
(C) to suggest flowing ice as possibly having
(D) suggesting that flowing ice may have
prep2-122
这道题C项错了就是这个原因 很晕
OG里也有
(E) which is suggestive of flowing ice having possibly
作者: pennyconan    时间: 2010-5-5 10:02
这里的逗号是为了with这个独立主格加的,上面那道是为了to do加的。
MM觉得呢?
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 10:08
sorry
我没明白你的意思...
第一题正确答案是D 没有with独立主格,为什么会是为了它加的呢??
作者: pennyconan    时间: 2010-5-5 10:25
。。。看岔了。。。 MM你的字太小了-- 我也不知道了。。。
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 10:29
哦哦 改过来了~
thank you all the same
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-5 10:39
嗯,感谢AmyGMAT,不定式总结帖里面当初这点确实需要继续讨论,不过你给我的例子足够推翻了那个结论了:-D。
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2-13  One of the earliestknown birds with a beak and contour feathers, Confuciusornis sanctus, with largeclawlike “thumbs” on its wings, which probably helped them to climb upto a launching position for flight.
A. with large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings,which probably helped them to
B. with large clawlike “thumbs” on their wings,which probably helped it to
C. had large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings, whichprobably helped them
D. had large clawlike “thumbs” on its wings, probably to help it 正确
E. had large clawlike “thumbs” on their wings,probably to help it
umm……这里to help是状语,修饰had,看来不定式作状语应该可以用逗号隔开的。不过个人觉得probably的存在有了更应该用逗号隔开的感觉,因为probably表达了一种强调(就如同although如果在句中出现引导从句时,前面总是有逗号),所有前面要有逗号;并且如果probably没有逗号会觉得生硬,并修饰不清。
open to discuss.
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2-122  The features of the floor of the Kasei Valles on Mars look just like those at the base of Antarctic ice streams, so it suggests that possibly it was flowing ice that carved the giant Martian channels previously attributed to cataclysmic floods.
(A) so it suggests that possibly it was flowing ice that
(B) a suggestion that flowing ice may have
(C) to suggest flowing ice as possibly having
(D) suggesting that flowing ice may have
是因为后面应该是跟一个伴随状语,而不是to suggest。用不定式并不是因为“用了不定式这个形式而错”,而是因为用了不定式以后表达的逻辑含义错。
作者: pennyconan    时间: 2010-5-5 10:43
“用不定式位于句尾,使用逗号与前句隔开――这种结构是一种错误的结构。”

是不是少了一个“不”字。。。
斑竹大人到,问题都解决~
我倒是觉得这个问题没有那么绝对,就像斑竹大人所说,其实还要看逻辑和通顺的问题。。。
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-5 10:49
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作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-5 10:55
“用不定式位于句尾,使用逗号与前句隔开――这种结构是一种错误的结构。”

是不是少了一个“不”字。。。
斑竹大人到,问题都解决~
我倒是觉得这个问题没有那么绝对,就像斑竹大人所说,其实还要看逻辑和通顺的问题。。。
-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/5 10:43:42)


umm...当时总结那个帖子的时候犯了错了,以为不能用逗号与前句隔开。
不隔开绝对是可以的,不定式做目的状语很多都直接接在后面修饰前面的谓语动词。
不过现在已经修改了原帖
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-5 11:26
再补充个句子:
大全473.    Lawmakers are examining measures that would require banks to disclose all fees and account requirements in writing, to providefree cashing of government checks, and to create basic savings accounts that carry minimal fees and require minimal initial deposits.
-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2010/5/5 10:49:56)


斑斑 偶个人认为这个例子不是很符合~这句话不是我们讨论的问题,这只是三个不定时的平行。

我想了想斑斑一开始的回复觉得灰常灰常有道理
那道题的关键就是在于有probably
我还是觉得这种结构“SVO,to do”表目的的不定时前面不能出现逗号,这个规定还是应该严格遵守的吧,因为我看OG prep这些比较权威的参考都是这么给出的
而probably那道题和他们不是很一样,就像斑斑说的probably再这里是一种强调,如果不用逗号隔开就显得有点生硬,而且从语感上也不是很适合。

不是很成熟的想法,请指正!
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-5 13:30
you're right. I picked a wrong case.
Amy的说法很有道理。我回去以后也再找找看OG里面你说的那个题再下结论。以前翻过很多语法书没有提到前面能不能出现逗号,问了个外文老师说可以,但是对方接受的语法体系没有GMAT严格,考GMAT家的考试还是需要从GMAT里面找规律…
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-6 09:46
OG上找到两个例子:
OG10-34的explanation  Choices C and D are needlessly wordy, and D requires that before North Americans, to be grammatically complete.

这个例子来自解释,而不是原题。

185. The recent surge in the number of airplane flights has clogged the nation's air-traffic control system, to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts fears among some officials that safety is being compromised.

(A)to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts

(B)leading to 55 percent more delay at airports and prompting

(C)to lead to a 55 percent increase in delay at airports and prompt

(D)to lead to an increase of 55 percent in delaysat airports, and prompted

(E)leading to a 55-percent increase in delays atairports and prompting

OG10的解释:
This question poses two major problems: parallel structure and precision of expression. In E, the best choice, parallel structure is maintained in the participial phrases introduced by leading and prompting, and the phrase 55-percent increase in delays conveys the meaning more accurately than does the phrase 55 percent more delay(s) in A and B. Also, choice A lacks parallelism. In C and D the infinitive phrase to lead to ... is less idiomatic than the participial phrase leading to .. .'_ Choice C uses the singular delay where the plural is needed to indicate an increase in the number of delays; the phrase increase in delay has no exact meaning.


OG11、12的解释:


Parallelism + Diction

The intent of the sentence is to show two effects of the surge in flights. These effects should be stated in parallel ways, instead of the construction to lead ... and prompts ... used in the original sentence. Using participial phrases introduced by leading and prompting solves this problem. The phrase 55 percent more delays is not as clear as the phrase a 55 percent increase in delays.

ATo lead and prompts are not parallel; 55 percent more delays is not clear

B55 percent more delay is unclear

CTo lead and prompt are not parallel; the meaning of increase in delay is not clear

DA participial phrase introduced by leading is preferable to the unclear infinitive phrase to lead to; an increase of 55 percent in delays is awkward and wordy

ECorrect. Leading and prompting are parallel in this sentence; the phrase a 55 percent increase in delays is clear
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OG里并没有说to do不可以用,只是说了unclear, unidiomatic,而对于leading也只说了preferable,说明语法上leading和to do都可以,只是用了infinitive phrase造成了含义上的unclear。

不知道这下能否下结论了。但我更为相信“不定式可以在句尾做单独结构”。因为不能在句尾做单独结构并没有很合理的解释,只是当初XDF还是刘振民说出的一个观点,并没有说明本质的evidence。

作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-6 17:32
斑斑 我觉得我们可能都搞混了一个概念
其实正确的说法应该是这样子的
我还是觉得你举这个例子不是很合适,首先我认为你原来总结的那一点有一点疏漏


三、不定式用法的注意点:
1、不定式不能单独在句末做修饰成分(此观点过于绝对,但有参考价值,还是留着不删了,仍待讨论)不定式单独在句末做修饰成分是可以接受的,应该是表示目的的不定式不能单独在句末做修饰成分  就是说SVO,to do如果错的话是有个前提的to do做目的状语
例:For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.
E to protect
OG的解释是:Choice E is incomplete; used to protect would have been acceptable.
这里to do的形式incomplete就是因为,to protect在这里是表示目的的,表示目的的不定式不可以单独出现在逗号后面。如果加上used就可以接受了。
正确的是protecting
而斑斑在上面举得那个例子
185. The recent surge in the number of airplane flights has clogged the nation's air-traffic control system, to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts fears among some officials that safety is being compromised.

(A)to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts



(B)leading to 55 percent more delay at airports and prompting

(C)to lead to a 55 percent increase in delay at airports and prompt



(D)to lead to an increase of 55 percent in delaysat airports, and prompted



(E)leading to a 55-percent increase in delays atairports and prompting

这里OG没有说to do不可以用,只是unidiomatic,unclear是因为这里to lead不是表示目的,根据前句话的意思后面应该是描述一种结果,应该用leading更好,更符合习惯。



哎,还是偶发帖子说的话不严谨误导大家,

我想这样说是不是应该更合适一些?

SVO,to do 这种用法有时候也是可以接受的

但是当to do是表示目的的不定式状语,则一定是错误的。错误的原因在于不完整,就像上面那道题应该是used to do

而prep2-13      on  its wings ,probably to help it  。这里是不是把probably看做是插入语比较合适,所以把its wings to help it给隔开了





作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-6 17:44
新东方老师又给总结过一点
to do的位置
to do在句首 to do,SVO 正确
SVO+to do 正确
SVO,to do 错误

我又想了想我们找到的那些题,还是跟最后那个公式符合的
“,to protect” 错了 因为不定式单独出现了
“,probably to help it”对了 因为前面有probably
“,to lead”错了 因为不定式单独出现了

我觉得斑斑原来那个帖子不用改了,强调一下“不能单独”是不是就可以了?
为了保险是不是在加上“如果是表示目的的不定式状语,这样的用法一定错”

才疏学浅,还是斑斑来斟酌啊~!
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-6 23:14
For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden frames were essential items of military equipment, a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows and spears.
E to protect
OG的解释是:Choice E is incomplete; used to protect would have been acceptable.
这里to do的形式incomplete就是因为,to protect在这里是表示目的的,表示目的的不定式不可以单独出现在逗号后面。如果加上used就可以接受了。
正确的是protecting

umm..其实这里protecting不是状语,因为前面是主系表结构,独立状语的话是要修饰主谓宾结构的;同理,如果是用to do也是attributive phrase,OG说要加上used是因为“逗号+to do”不能引导attributive phrase来表示事物某一属性,而有了Used就可以引导attributive phrase修饰前面的items of military equipment(或者也可以说是修饰shields,因为是一个东东)。in other words, 依然不可以说明“表示目的的不定式不可以单独出现在逗号后面”。
作者: AmyGMAT    时间: 2010-5-6 23:24
嗯嗯 似乎是明白了一些,可是现在的问题就是这么多题都没有出现过SVO,to do是正确时候.....
感觉难免缺点说服力
不过总之谨慎吧~
谢谢斑斑
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-5-7 00:07
嗯,继续观望:-D
作者: 小花呱    时间: 2011-7-17 00:55
标题: 求斑竹解释~
OG上找到两个例子:
OG10-34的explanation  Choices C and D are needlessly wordy, and D requires that before North Americans, to be grammatically complete.

这个例子来自解释,而不是原题。

185. The recent surge in the number of airplane flights has clogged the nation's air-traffic control system, to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts fears among some officials that safety is being compromised.

(A)to lead to 55 percent more delays at airports, and prompts



(B)leading to 55 percent more delay at airports and prompting

(C)to lead to a 55 percent increase in delay at airports and prompt



(D)to lead to an increase of 55 percent in delaysat airports, and prompted



(E)leading to a 55-percent increase in delays atairports and prompting



OG10的解释:
This question poses two major problems: parallel structure and precision of expression. In E, the best choice, parallel structure is maintained in the participial phrases introduced by leading and prompting, and the phrase 55-percent increase in delays conveys the meaning more accurately than does the phrase 55 percent more delay(s) in A and B. Also, choice A lacks parallelism. In C and D the infinitive phrase to lead to ... is less idiomatic than the participial phrase leading to .. .'_ Choice C uses the singular delay where the plural is needed to indicate an increase in the number of delays; the phrase increase in delay has no exact meaning.


OG11、12的解释:


Parallelism + Diction

The intent of the sentence is to show two effects of the surge in flights. These effects should be stated in parallel ways, instead of the construction to lead ... and prompts ... used in the original sentence. Using participial phrases introduced by leading and prompting solves this problem. The phrase 55 percent more delays is not as clear as the phrase a 55 percent increase in delays.

ATo lead and prompts are not parallel; 55 percent more delays is not clear

B55 percent more delay is unclear

CTo lead and prompt are not parallel; the meaning of increase in delay is not clear

DA participial phrase introduced by leading is preferable to the unclear infinitive phrase to lead to; an increase of 55 percent in delays is awkward and wordy

ECorrect. Leading and prompting are parallel in this sentence; the phrase a 55 percent increase in delays is clear
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OG里并没有说to do不可以用,只是说了unclear, unidiomatic,而对于leading也只说了preferable,说明语法上leading和to do都可以,只是用了infinitive phrase造成了含义上的unclear。

不知道这下能否下结论了。但我更为相信“不定式可以在句尾做单独结构”。因为不能在句尾做单独结构并没有很合理的解释,只是当初XDF还是刘振民说出的一个观点,并没有说明本质的evidence。
-- by 会员 aeoluseros (2010/5/6 9:46:15)



斑竹,这个OG12-30
30. For members of the seventeenth-century Ashanti
nation in Africa, animal-hide shields with wooden
frames were essential items of military equipment,
a method to protect warriors against enemy arrows
and spears.



(A) a method to protect

(B) as a method protecting

(C) protecting

(D) as a protection of

(E) to protect
中的E,选项OG给的解释是:although the infinitive to protect would work if it were not preceded by a comma,it cannot act as a nonrestrictive adjectival phrase modifying items.
应该说不定式前加,是不对的。
Ps,我想问问,选项C为什么按照OG的话说可以表示the purpose of the items of military equipment.这点不是说-ing是做主语的伴随状语或者是伴随结果么,那么修饰的应该是animal-hide shields with wooden frames.怎么成了修饰items的目的了呢??

作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-8-7 20:40
to 小花呱,我不知道你这个protecting的问题明白没有~我就在这里再说下好啦~

ing结构前面有逗号的时候,优先考虑其作状语,其修饰的对象是前面整个句子主干。但ing做状语又有很多种区分:
若主句是主系表结构,ing结构是对前面主系表结构的句子做的一种补充说明,此时ing结构不表伴随,不表结果,只是表示一个补充说明的  意思。

而当前面是主谓宾的时候,逗号+ing形式可做伴随动作,可做结果状语。若表伴随,其伴随的是主句动词,但必须保证主句主语是ing形式的动作发出者。若表结果状语,其修饰前面整个主句,并无逻辑主语的问题,但是前面主句再改作名词结构后,可以作为ing结构动作的发出者。举例如下(OG12 Q47):
Five sea eagles left their nests in western Scotland, bringing to 34.... (这道题是OG最经典的bringing做结果状语,修饰前面整件事)
把主句变为名词,即是The leave of the five sea eagles brings....  可见是这个leave这个事情(把left名词化)作为brings的真正主语。

关于蓝色字体中,是曼哈顿上给出的一种说法~我觉得比较形象和实用,可作为一个辅助的判断标准~

关于to do的问题,我今晚一定要找出个答案~哈哈~
作者: 小花呱    时间: 2011-8-8 16:23
我觉得这个补充说明这个点,感觉不是那么准确。
-ing在句末,前面有逗号时,首先的作用是对前面的词进行修饰。 如果前面是个非名词的时候将转为考虑是否是做状语,(伴随或者结果。伴随要求的是和句子主语一致。)
这道题的Protecting 应该是对前面的items of military equipment修饰。
这个用法比如og12-21(D ),og12-38, og12-55(D) 等。
作者: 抓抓sandra    时间: 2011-8-20 07:52
bat,小花狐,
我觉得这个protecting应该理解成状语or定语都是可以说得通的,因为这个protecting是主语shields的动作,也是items的功能(因为shields were items,二者相同),而不是主语动作的伴随。我之前的理解是“主系表,ing”的ing并不是一定要是状语,句末逗号隔开的ving完全可以当做定语,只要不会发生歧义即可。比如这里,理解成状语或者定语,一点都不影响句子的逻辑含义,所以可以。
作者: 抓抓sandra    时间: 2011-8-20 07:55
我推测,主系表的系动词不是be的时候,用逗号加ving就不适合理解成定语,因为这个时候理解成定语还是状语句意大不相同。
作者: superbat28    时间: 2011-8-20 11:06
我推测,主系表的系动词不是be的时候,用逗号加ving就不适合理解成定语,因为这个时候理解成定语还是状语句意大不相同。
-- by 会员 抓抓sandra (2011/8/20 7:55:03)



给个例子?~主系表,系动词不是be还能是什么~~?appear,smell这些词?
可是如果是这些词的话,后面是adj啊,比如She appears good. 就算句尾有【逗号,ing】形式,这个也不可能定语啊,前头没名词。
抓抓想的是什么情况?我一时没反应过来……




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