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作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-3 20:10
标题: many of whom or many of them
首先看一下正确的句子只有跟them/一般名词/those：
A new phenomenon visible at Managua’s major intersections is waves of vendors and beggars, many of themchildren, who mob cars at the stoplights.

A report by the American Academy for the Advancement of Science has concluded that many of the currently uncontrolled dioxins to which North Americans are exposed come from the incineration of wastes.

Although he is as gifted as, if not more gifted than,many of his colleagues, he is extremely modest and will not publish his poetry.

A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as hazardous substances, but many of themcan be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.

Florida will gain another quarter-million jobs this year alone, many of them in such high-paying fields as electronics and banking, making the state’s economy far more diversified than it was ten years ago.

In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of themin the area just for the season.

The mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries, many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago.

None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime explains why most of the people exposed to the alleged causes do not commit crimes and, conversely, why so many of those not so exposed do.

Once an apolitical confrontation of the world’s best athletes, the Summer Olympics have been increasingly politicized in recent years as the superpowers have denied many of the best athletes’ access to competition.

To speak habitually of the “truly needy” is gradually to instill the notion that many of those who are just called “needy” actually have adequate resources; such a conclusion is unwarranted.

特别是最后一句句子，many of those who明明可以变成many of whom，而且我还找到一个正确的句子Presenters at the seminar, one of whomis blind, will demonstrate adaptive equipment that allows visually impaired people to use computers.

外国的G网上也有讨论这个问题
In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them in the area just for the season.
(A) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them
(B) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of whom are
(C) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of who are
(D) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustle with farm workers, many of which（A）
(E) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many are
我们的大全里是A，但是外国的instructor说是B，因为them会指代fields引起歧义。。。
http://www.beatthegmat.com/many-of-them-or-many-of-whom-t8979.html
OPEN DISCUSSION

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 20:40
外国的G网上也有讨论这个问题
In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them in the area just for the season.
(A) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them
(B) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of whom are
(C) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of who are
(D) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustle with farm workers, many of which（A）
(E) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many are
我们的大全里是A，但是外国的instructor说是B，因为them会指代fields引起歧义。。。
http://www.beatthegmat.com/many-of-them-or-many-of-whom-t8979.html
OPEN DISCUSSION

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/3 20:10:50)

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这道题是不可能选B的 that修饰fields 要用复数形式
然后出了这点我认为B项是对的

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 20:45
而且many of them 是workers的同位语
可能他们认为会造成歧义是认为them指向了fields吧
但是这句话的主语是patchwork 是单数
所以这里many of them没有歧义

作者: wxq19881113 时间: 2010-5-3 22:19
但是B选项是many of whom are 。。。。A选项是many of them。。。没有系动词呢？我已经昏了~到底什么时候用whom什么时候用them???...求解答！

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 22:26
那个关于It is said 我又给回复了
不好意思啊你去看看吧
差点误导人了~~~~(>_<)~~~~

作者: 反衬 时间: 2010-5-3 22:55
楼主的问题是关于many of them做同位语的，但是楼主总结的这些句子中many的用法都不一样啊，不能混为一谈。

属于同位语的
A new phenomenon visible at Managua’s major intersections is waves of vendors and beggars, many of themchildren, who mob cars at the stoplights.

Florida will gain another quarter-million jobs this year alone, many of them in such high-paying fields as electronics and banking, making the state’s economy far more diversified than it was ten years ago.

In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of themin the area just for the season.

The mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries, many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago.

剩下的其他句子与上面这几个根本就不是一码事。

这一句，完全没有同位指代关系。many of后面的东西是新出现的要说明的对象，也不是同位语。本来就应该用Many of
A report by the American Academy for the Advancement of Science has concluded that many of the currently uncontrolled dioxins to which North Americans are exposed come from the incineration of wastes.

这一句是两句话的关系，简单的后半句指前半句的代词指代关系。
A consumer may not think of household cleaning products as hazardous substances, but many of themcan be harmful to health, especially if they are used improperly.

这一句是对比关系，those指和上文对等，同类不同种。与同位语无关。
None of the attempts to specify the causes of crime explains why most of the people exposed to the alleged causes do not commit crimes and, conversely, why so many of those not so exposed do.

这一句，压根没关系。
Once an apolitical confrontation of the world’s best athletes, the Summer Olympics have been increasingly politicized in recent years as the superpowers have denied many of the best athletes’ access to competition.

这一句，也是与同位语无关。
To speak habitually of the “truly needy” is gradually to instill the notion that many of those who are just called “needy” actually have adequate resources; such a conclusion is unwarranted.

作者: 反衬 时间: 2010-5-3 23:10
我自己觉得 many of them 还是many of whom，要从以下几方面出发
1. many of them 和many of whom/which 是可以互换的，两者皆没有错误。
区别在于many of them后面不能出现谓语动词，而many of whom/which之后必须有谓语才能构成完整的定语从句。
2.为什么出题者喜欢用many of them而不是many of whom/which?
我个人总结的原因：
a. them避免了人还是物的用词选择问题。

例如这道题
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-456793-1-1.html

b. them 不需要就近而which/whom有比较严格的就近要求。
c. them没有谓语，避免了时态的可能错误，也更加简洁。

所以，遇到many of them 还是many of whom/which的题目，从三方面入手：人还是物，就近关系有无出错，还有时态对不对

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 23:31

我自己觉得 many of them 还是many of whom，要从以下几方面出发
1. many of them 和many of whom/which 是可以互换的，两者皆没有错误。
区别在于many of them后面不能出现谓语动词，而many of whom/which之后必须有谓语才能构成完整的定语从句。
2.为什么出题者喜欢用many of them而不是many of whom/which?
我个人总结的原因：
a. them避免了人还是物的用词选择问题。

例如这道题
http://forum.chasedream.com/GMAT_SC/thread-456793-1-1.html

b. them 不需要就近而which/whom有比较严格的就近要求。
c. them没有谓语，避免了时态的可能错误，也更加简洁。

所以，遇到many of them 还是many of whom/which的题目，从三方面入手：人还是物，就近关系有无出错，还有时态对不对

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

总结的太
精！！！！！辟！！！！了

我自己总结的时候只总结到后面有没有谓语的问题
没有考虑到指代 many of them可以是同位语，所以即可以指代宾语又可以指代主语，比whom好~
太棒了再赞一个

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 23:40

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

呵呵仔细想了想我觉得这个结论有点...
我觉得them在用的时候也要很注意，并不是说ETS更喜欢them 因为them很容易造成指代的歧义
欢迎指正

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 23:47

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

呵呵 nn不要嫌我烦
想向nn求证一下
就是我上面用黄色标出来的那句话是不是说的太绝对了
many of whom后面是必须要加谓语的
但是many of them是不是要看情况啊
比如说OG12-43
43. Laos has a land area about the same as Great Britainbut only four million in population, where many are members of hill tribes ensconced in the virtually inaccessible mountain valleys of the north.
(A) about the same as Great Britain but only four million in population, where many
(B) of about the same size as Great Britain is, but in Laos there is a population of only four million,
and many
(C) that is about the same size as Great Britain’s land area, but in Laos with a population of only
four million people, many of them
(D) comparable to the size of Great Britain, but only four million in population, and many
(E) comparable to that of Great Britain but a population of only four million people, many of
whom
答案是E
但是它的C选项OG里只指出来了them指代歧义的问题，并没有说many of them后面不能用谓语

作者: 反衬 时间: 2010-5-3 23:49

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/3 23:47:38)

C当中有个But 啊！！！！。已经是另外一句话了，不是一个同位语关系咯

作者: 反衬 时间: 2010-5-3 23:52

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

呵呵仔细想了想我觉得这个结论有点...
我觉得them在用的时候也要很注意，并不是说ETS更喜欢them 因为them很容易造成指代的歧义
欢迎指正

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/3 23:40:38)

注意，我的理解是基于 many of them作同位语这一前提。

如果many of them是两句话的前后指代关系，则另当别论

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-3 23:54

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/3 23:47:38)

C当中有个But 啊！！！！。已经是另外一句话了，不是一个同位语关系咯

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:49:48)

嗯嗯对对我的意思就是只有在同位语的情况下才能这样用
啊啊
nn忽略好了~

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-4 00:55
不好意思，我刚刚跑去AWA区了~

区别在于many of them后面不能出现谓语动词，而many of whom/which之后必须有谓语才能构成完整的定语从句。
我问一个比较那啥的问题，是不是many of them children 是 many of them who are children 的省略形式？

作者: vivian2011 时间: 2011-9-25 14:49
应该是同位语，不是省略吧
觉得和each of them + n 这种有点像

作者: romeo12345 时间: 2012-10-8 02:09

-- by 会员反衬 (2010/5/3 23:10:53)

补充一点：请指教

whom是关系代词(Relative Pronouns)，引导关系从句；
而同位语结构起修饰语作用，一般用于修饰名词或名词短语；
所以说whom并不适合用在同位语结构中。

作者: bluejake 时间: 2013-9-8 11:54
讲的非常好收藏

作者: yangzshi68 时间: 2015-8-7 16:42
再补充一点：many of them在句中可作主语，而many of whom在句中作定语
e.g."In the evening we went to a party and I met Diana's friends,many of whom are connected with the movie industry."
"In the evening we went to a party and I met Diana's friends.Many of them are connected with the movie industry."

作者: yangzshi68 时间: 2015-8-7 23:57
In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them in the area just for the season.
(A) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of them
(B) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of whom are
(C) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many of who are
(D) surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustle with farm workers, many of which（A）
(E) surrounds the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with farm workers, many are

这题解释没那么困难。a中逗号后的表对前句话的修饰，没问题；b因为是many of whom are所以是另一句话，中间应该有连词；c，d，e解释同b，忽略其他错误

作者: seubomb 时间: 2016-8-17 10:37

yangzshi68 发表于 2015-8-7 23:57
In good years, the patchwork of green fields that surround the San Joaquin Valley town bustles with ...

many of whom不是定语从句么，为啥要加连词

作者: AnnieFFish 时间: 2016-10-22 16:23
引用16楼：
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补充一点：请指教

whom是关系代词(Relative Pronouns)，引导关系从句；
而同位语结构起修饰语作用，一般用于修饰名词或名词短语；
所以说whom并不适合用在同位语结构中。”

我觉得好像并不是这样吧
在Laos这一题中，many of whom就是用作同位语的

作者: AnnieFFish 时间: 2016-10-22 16:36
BEATGMAT网站的director也认为A是正确的昂

作者: Buffykuang 时间: 2017-3-5 14:08
先分享楼主其中一道题目全部内容
498. Many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago, the mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries.
(A) Many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago, the mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries.
(B) Chiseled from solid rock centuries ago, the mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with many hundreds of monasteries.
(C) Hundreds of monasteries, many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago, are dotting the mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia.
(D) The mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries, many of which are chiseled from solid rock centuries ago.
(E) The mountainous regions of northern Ethiopia are dotted with hundreds of monasteries, many of them chiseled from solid rock centuries ago.

答案选择E

A，不对，这里的chisel修辞的内容应该是monasteries,放在题目中的位置，就修辞了regions，不正确
B，同样的道理
C，不正确，这里如果是 many of which were chiseled 就正确了
D，不正确，时态不正确，应该是many of which were chiseled,后面就个很明显的过去时态
E，正确

什么时候有them/those/who/whom与前后文的时态，指代的内容有关系。

作者: 草莓沙冰加奶盖 时间: 2019-10-5 16:47
Mark一下！

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