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标题: 请客观地说一下，美国呆多久才能把英语说得和中文一样溜？ [打印本页]

作者: southnorth 时间: 2010-1-3 06:01
标题: 请客观地说一下，美国呆多久才能把英语说得和中文一样溜？
有人说在美国生活2-5年，英语可以说得和美国人一样流利。很多人说我的英语不错，学校同意免掉托福成绩，即使这样，当和人沟通的时候还是免不了chiglish，时不时需要停顿下，从脑中上上下下翻出个词汇完成造句。很难想象到底需要多少年才能把英语说得和美国人一样标准，标准的英语用词，标准的发音，标准的表达方式。碰到几个在美国生活了十年的朋友，他们的英语似乎不咋样。口音还挺重，用词相对美国人而言过分简单，也多少带着chinglish的影子。难道华人到美国就不能成为高级销售员工了？请大家客观地谈谈看法。

作者: arnoldg 时间: 2010-1-3 12:11
中文能说标准的中国人有多少？

作者: southnorth 时间: 2010-1-5 08:09
arnoldg Thank you for your reply. You are absolutely right about the accents in USA. I clearify my point is made at fluent conversation as a native english speaker. Chinglish alwasy affects me whatever topic I am trying to address.

Today, I was on the phone with a supplier. When I got off phone, trying to repeat the message, obviously I was nowhere. I didn't send the message in the correct way so that other staff was in air. How soon can I set myself free communicating from such embrassing breakdown?

作者: richardxia 时间: 2010-1-7 02:37
看是什么年龄了,越小越容易去掉口音

作者: stanleylu 时间: 2010-1-10 00:45

看是什么年龄了,越小越容易去掉口音

-- by 会员 richardxia (2010/1/7 2:37:11)

I don't think he's talking about accents or pronunciation.

作者: southnorth 时间: 2010-1-10 06:43
stanleylu is correct. I care more about how to express myself properly. It just drives me crazy. I feel like someone who lost ones voice. I pretty much enjoy massive chat everyday in Chinese. In English, I am not able to address any point. They cannot understand what I said owing to my accent or improper grammer/ vocabulary.

作者: DL88 时间: 2010-1-10 11:23
标题: 7 Years on average
One teacher of my son's in US mentioned a study which shows that immigrants, living and using English in daily life, take 7 years on average to speak it in a way native speakers cannot differentiate.

Remember a lot of people can never speak a fluent english even though they live 20 years. You have to use English and interact with native speakers.

作者: southnorth 时间: 2010-1-10 13:13
Thank you DL88. 7 years is plausible but too long to wait. Luckily, I am able to make another 7 years to make a quality conversation in English.

Has anyone experience language breakdown during work?

作者: kakafu88 时间: 2010-1-20 10:56
标题: take it easy. keep trying, till you r satisfied.
Anyway, too much worry never help, right?

作者: doucevoyage 时间: 2010-1-20 13:02
Well....if you limit your exposure to Chinese (people and culture), and are forced to use English day-in day-out, then it'll be much easier. I think the key is to drop all the exposure to Chinese songs, TV, news, books etc, and truly embrace the culture you're currently living in. But that'll be a bit harsh, and not everyone can do that.

If you find yourself watching sitcom, talk shows etc, and truly get those humor, then that'll be a good sign that you start to really think like a native.

my 2 cents.

作者: texan 时间: 2010-1-26 01:40
英语这东西，其实就是要多用心去练习！多听听广播，看看电视，交交朋友，时间长了自然就熟练了。着急没有用，主要是耐心和用心阿。

作者: eujobs 时间: 2010-2-16 04:08
这个不出国都行吧

作者: freefishly 时间: 2010-2-20 00:55
It's not only about accent and pronunciation, also about knowledge and information in religion, culture and pop news etc. When working for Jewish company, you better know sth "kosher words"; when talking with Christian, you better know sth Bible stories, when hang out with young guys, better know who and what's the fashionest people and way. So, you have to learn all the time, what you have learn in Xin Dong Fang or any classes in China is far away "enough".

作者: 满街找甜筒 时间: 2010-3-2 23:24
我觉得看语言天分了.我之前在国内完全没有接触过美语,考也是考的IELTS.但是过来大概半年就美语化了..

作者: CD用户174382 时间: 2010-3-9 14:50
NEVER!!

作者: chaplain 时间: 2010-5-13 16:16
语言只是用来交流的，只要能有效交流就行了，不要太在意口音。

作者: zhangyi1527 时间: 2010-5-21 16:05
我觉得不是说得问题，而是思维方式的问题。很多中国人不管在美国待多久，也总是和国人交往，用中文想问题，所以才慢、才chinglish.

作者: 骚毛裤 时间: 2010-6-18 00:11

我觉得看语言天分了.我之前在国内完全没有接触过美语,考也是考的IELTS.但是过来大概半年就美语化了..

-- by 会员满街找甜筒 (2010/3/2 23:24:13)

笑而不语

作者: pengod 时间: 2010-6-23 09:37
我只能说，不是在美国长大的，没戏。NEVER

作者: luzhaolan 时间: 2010-6-30 07:47
agree, but a lot determination and hard, hard work

作者: USA2009 时间: 2010-6-30 10:56
我觉得口音是很难很难去掉的，从第二代开始吧。

作者: alohabrian 时间: 2010-7-11 13:41
说实话吗，对于99%的第一代移民来说，永远不要想。
我没有见到过任何一个non-native说英文和local一样好。

最多是能把工作上的常用句子说的比较溜。

作者: chef 时间: 2010-7-16 21:58

"请客观地说一下，美国呆多久才能把英语说得和中文一样溜？"

你若不是从小在美国生活长大受教育，这辈子是不可能了。想象一下一个外国人在中国生活几年，就能把中文用的和中国人一样？

-- by 会员 zbb88 (2010/5/13 13:51:29)

LZ别听信这些人的观点，只要有心，把英语说得像中文一样溜不是不可能。我也在努力中，而且颇有进展。同时也鼓励你。不过，真的很有必要把中国的一些思维方式和媒体表示出的东西抛弃。因为我听了十几年英文歌曲，所以一直有这种感觉。现在和国外的朋友交流只是词汇量的问题多一些，其他方便都还行。

作者: southnorth 时间: 2010-7-23 03:00
不知道大家经常电话留言么? 每次回放的瞬间,都有种自杀的冲动.口音不是一点点的作孽...

作者: chef 时间: 2010-7-25 11:21

不知道大家经常电话留言么? 每次回放的瞬间,都有种自杀的冲动.口音不是一点点的作孽...

-- by 会员 southnorth (2010/7/23 3:00:13)

be easy, dude heehee

作者: chef 时间: 2010-7-25 11:21
想想那些印度人和拉美人，似乎不在乎口音

作者: lucaspaul 时间: 2010-8-6 00:46
每天多说，多看电视剧，多看脱口秀，在美国，如果不是必要的，跟中国人也要说英语，每天就说英语，多听native speaker是怎么说的，多学，多模仿，多揣测要是他们会怎么说，英语要做到脱口而出，不要怕出错，不要在脑海里造句子，相信你会成功，我的拙见啊~

作者: Elviszhang 时间: 2011-6-20 15:31
cant agree more

作者: 0323100090 时间: 2011-6-28 17:42
what a question...............................

作者: rooneyfang 时间: 2011-7-22 01:41
Don't stress yourself over your accent. In America, there are immigrants from allover the world. they all have their unique accent.The only thing you need to address is to express yourself in a concise and clear manner.

I had worked here for over 10 years. My experience is the more you explain, the more confused the other people are. Unless, you are requested to explain an issue.

The only difference between Chinese and Americans is Americans express themselves freely and directly. Chinese people worry too much about if others can understand them.

作者: equn 时间: 2011-7-23 13:29
I speak Chinglish and everybody around me accepts that.

作者: larrylw 时间: 2011-7-23 14:11
我想起一个人。李阳同学。

作者: grace085 时间: 2011-7-28 22:19
never

作者: Vodka 时间: 2011-8-26 08:56
和在美国呆多久没关系，关键看用多少

作者: Aaronljc 时间: 2011-8-30 12:14
到美国一个月了，每天说听英语说英语真是累。

作者: sirenfish 时间: 2011-9-1 12:11
在于个人努力，在于你有多重视，在于你多大的时候到的美国，有时也看些语言天分。

越年轻时苦练口语越容易没口音。我的一德国交换生同学，完全就是一美国人，我问他怎么做到的，他说很喜欢美国文化也下了很大功夫，从大学算起，将近3年来磨自己的口音。也有德国籍文科教授，英文paper发表了无数篇，但德语口音依然很重。

说到词汇量、slang、不同语境下不同用语等等，更需要自己有意识地去积累、模仿、学习，都在乎个人努力和效率。仅说一个时间长短没太大意义。

作者: mike_banana 时间: 2011-9-25 12:25
一般3个月就可以了

作者: icowww 时间: 2012-4-16 23:28
You need 2 more years full-time English study

作者: cq168088 时间: 2012-4-18 07:52
if u come to the united states after elementary school. forget about this.

作者: reachmydream 时间: 2012-5-2 19:40
Go to bar and u will get used to everything quickly

作者: HoneyHoney505 时间: 2012-5-10 20:36
因人而异吧

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