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标题: ohohh我抢你一个rp啊，呵呵！阅读第四篇阿波罗探月。 [打印本页]

作者: piggyuu 时间: 2009-11-7 07:40
标题: ohohh我抢你一个rp啊，呵呵！阅读第四篇阿波罗探月。
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/28dec_truefake.htm有兴趣的同学可以自己看看。

作者: faithyhao 时间: 2009-11-7 07:48
沙发沙发！

作者: piggyuu 时间: 2009-11-7 07:55

沙发沙发！

-- by 会员 faithyhao (2009/11/7 7:48:20)

早啊，呵呵！

我是熬夜娃子我必须去睡了。。

作者: loveyj613 时间: 2009-11-7 08:27
辛苦啦啊~~~感谢~

作者: bearwinnie 时间: 2009-11-7 08:46
人民的好公仆啊,呵呵,感谢..

作者: christo 时间: 2009-11-7 08:59
Good Job!

作者: xwsh0325 时间: 2009-11-7 10:15
lz好人~~~

作者: QXDsea 时间: 2009-11-7 11:16
多谢多谢

作者: XYXB 时间: 2009-11-7 11:28
谢谢MM，我细看了一下，同主贴里133楼的crgo同学提供的资料是一致的

不过MM分析的很详细，超赞

我今日更新会将链接收入的

备考加油！

作者: CainLizard 时间: 2009-11-7 11:42
好强说。。。。谢谢LZ！

作者: bisujiangkai 时间: 2009-11-7 13:10
谢谢！加油！

作者: ohohh 时间: 2009-11-7 15:25
mm好牛的,我没找到这篇的说,
这样从第4篇到第7篇都有原文了.

作者: piggyuu 时间: 2009-11-7 15:33

mm好牛的,我没找到这篇的说,
这样从第4篇到第7篇都有原文了.

-- by 会员 ohohh (2009/11/7 15:25:36)

嘿嘿我刚来就看到你回复。还不是向您学习！有收获就要有分享嘛~~

最开始搜了两下也没搜到，之后关键词就加了V8（760的nn）提到的Arizona，就出来了。。

嗯嗯，现在将近10%的possibility能碰到一篇了哈~

作者: fendi_mao 时间: 2009-11-7 15:34

感谢感谢！

作者: ohohh 时间: 2009-11-7 17:14

嘿嘿我刚来就看到你回复。还不是向您学习！有收获就要有分享嘛~~

最开始搜了两下也没搜到，之后关键词就加了V8（760的nn）提到的Arizona，就出来了。。

嗯嗯，现在将近10%的possibility能碰到一篇了哈~

我也有加Arizona,出来都是那个学校的文章,我就没细看了,现在原文好像有七篇了,15%的概率应该有了,

而且大都是高频的,在700分左右水平的. 祈祷我能碰到一篇.

作者: bluefirmamen 时间: 2009-11-8 22:03
非常感谢！

作者: hellogo 时间: 2009-11-9 10:11
顶一下，牛人啊

作者: gerrard 时间: 2009-11-9 10:24
楼主做的真是超赞啊，谢谢啦

作者: gerrard 时间: 2009-11-9 10:32

mm好牛的,我没找到这篇的说,
这样从第4篇到第7篇都有原文了.

-- by 会员 ohohh (2009/11/7 15:25:36)

ohohh TX 你好，能不能指点一下4到7篇中另两篇在那里找，或者可以发给我么 sichen85(在) gmail.com really appreciate you help!

作者: EMINEM830505 时间: 2009-11-9 13:20
谢谢！

作者: quarboy 时间: 2009-11-9 15:01
lz！！！！我们爱你！～～～

作者: xpxmw 时间: 2009-11-9 16:21

哭了。。。LZ的文件打不开啊。。。能不能把文字黏贴发给我哦

我的版本是2003的啊

作者: piggyuu 时间: 2009-11-9 16:50
。。

作者: conniequan 时间: 2009-11-9 19:27
辛苦lz！

作者: DanielSSSS 时间: 2009-11-10 13:16
膜拜楼主啊

作者: edwardlq 时间: 2009-11-10 14:32
谢谢！！！！！！！！！！！！！！万分感谢！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

作者: unstarz 时间: 2009-11-12 00:09
楼主辛苦了

作者: 童言无忌 时间: 2009-11-12 18:11
thanks for sharing!

作者: EMINEM830505 时间: 2009-11-12 19:05
CooL!

作者: xsycherish 时间: 2009-11-16 05:37
i will use your meterials, thank you very much!~

作者: snoopy121 时间: 2009-11-16 06:57
真是太棒了！

作者: mfcblue 时间: 2009-11-16 08:29
thx~

作者: masiying0709 时间: 2009-11-17 20:21
十分感谢你，希望能遇到~~

作者: 童言无忌 时间: 2009-11-17 21:45
well done!

作者: melomelosong 时间: 2011-7-23 09:38
楼主，这个跟原文很像还是只做背景问用啊？还剩一天就考试了。。。

作者: islandy 时间: 2011-7-23 09:56
感觉已经很像原文了

作者: 苦荞麦茶 时间: 2015-8-22 18:07
HAO REN!!!!

作者: lcyalexa 时间: 2015-8-22 20:19
Mark一下！

作者: zhanghanyuan 时间: 2015-8-22 20:33
mark一下

作者: florasahara 时间: 2015-8-22 20:39
太棒了好人一生平安

作者: 畅所欲言58 时间: 2015-8-23 22:56
链接打不开了唔··求帮忙

作者: lcyalexa 时间: 2015-8-23 23:01
感谢分享！

作者: mbpaa 时间: 2017-3-25 15:10
啊链接没了求关键词

作者: yue92 时间: 2017-3-26 12:10

ohohh 发表于 2009-11-7 15:25
mm好牛的,我没找到这篇的说,这样从第4篇到第7篇都有原文了.

哇塞。。。能不能发到我邮箱呢，。。。感激不尽！！！邮箱是314508124@q q.com

作者: Shizuka_ 时间: 2017-3-28 03:39

yue92 发表于 2017-3-26 12:10
哇塞。。。能不能发到我邮箱呢，。。。感激不尽！！！邮箱是314508124@q q.com ...

重新在nasa官网上按失效链接里的日期搜到的
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28dec_truefake

作者: 2508719836 时间: 2018-8-18 22:17
True Fakes: Scientists Make Simulated Moondust

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Dec. 28 , 2006: Life is tough for a humble grain of dirt on the surface of the Moon. It's peppered with cosmic rays, exposed to solar flares, and battered by micrometeorites--shattered, vaporized and re-condensed countless times over the billions of years. Adding insult to injury, Earthlings want to strip it down to oxygen and other elements for "in situ resource utilization," or ISRU, the process of living off the land when NASA returns to the Moon in the not-so-distant future.

But, as Robert Heinlein famously observed, "the Moon is a harsh mistress." Living with moondust and striping it down may be trickier than anyone supposes.
Right: A speck of Moon dirt. The strange shape tells a tale of violence: It results from the welding of rock, mineral and glass by the heat of micrometeoroid impacts. Image credit: David S. McKay, NASA/JSC.

To find out how tricky, researchers would like to test their ideas for ISRU and their designs for lunar rovers on real lunar soil before astronauts return to the Moon. But there's a problem:

"We don't have enough real moondust to go around," says Larry Taylor, director of Planetary Geosciences Institute at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. To run all the tests, "we need to make a well-qualified lunar simulant." And not just a few bags will do. "We need tons of it, mainly for working on technologies for diggers and wheels and machinery on the surface," adds David S. McKay, chief scientist for astrobiology at the Johnson Space Center (JSC).

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Taylor and McKay are lead members of a small group of self-styled "lunatics" whose careers have focused on lunar soil and rocks. They are among several consultants to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC), which manages the Lunar Regolith Simulant Development Program.

Carole McLemore is the program manager at Marshall. Back in the 1990s, she explains, researchers used a lunar simulant called JSC-1 developed at JSC. But "there is no more JSC-1 available." So, to get started, researchers at Marshall are working with the Astromaterials Research and Exploration Science office at Johnson to create a replica of the JSC-1 simulant: JSC-1A. It comes in three types based on grain size (fine, medium and coarse). MSFC has also begun work on more demanding simulants representing various locations on the Moon.

Until the Apollo astronauts brought lunar soil samples to Earth during 1969-72, the belief was that the Moon's dry, airless environment left the soil largely undisturbed. Reality is much harsher.

Micrometeorites, many smaller than a pencil point, constantly rain onto the surface at up to 100,000 km/hr (about 62,000 mph), chipping off materials or forming microscopic impact craters. Some melt the soil and vaporize and re-condense as glassy coats on other specks of dust. Impacts weld debris into "agglutinates." Complicated interactions with the solar wind convert iron in the soil into myriads of "nano-phase" metallic iron grains just a few nanometers wide.

Above: The lunar surface is exposed to solar wind and constantly pounded by micrometeorites. Credit: Larry Taylor, Univ. of Tennessee. [More]

These processes form the "regolith" -- Greek for stone blanket (litho + rhegos) -- covering the Moon's surface. What greets astronauts and spaceships is a complex material comprising "sharp, abrasive, interlocking fragile glass shards and fragments," Taylor says. It grinds machinery and seals, and damages human lungs.

"Some of the stuff that got into the Apollo spacecraft was very finely ground," McKay said. Dust was everywhere and impossible to brush off. All the lunar astronauts had lung reactions to this dust, some more than others, like Harrison H. (Jack) Schmitt's "lunar dust hay fever."

The Apollo specimens are America's Crown Jewels and are doled out in ultra-small samples to scientists who can demonstrate that nothing else will do for high-value experiments. Renewed interest in lunar exploration in the late 1980s meant that lunar simulants were needed to test schemes for building structures on the Moon or for extracting oxygen and other materials.

That led to JSC-1 in 1993, made of basaltic volcanic cinder cone deposits from a quarry near Flagstaff, AZ. The 25-ton lot -- distributed in 50-pound bags -- proved popular.

"We're totally out, but that's soon to be corrected," said McKay. MSFC has a Small Business Innovative Research (SBIR) contract with Orbitec of Madison, WI, to manufacture about 16 metric tonnes of three types of JSC-1A: 1 tonne of fines (delivered); 14 tonnes of moderate grains (being delivered); and 1 tonne of coarse grains (coming soon). The U.S. Geological Survey in Denver and the University of Colorado at Boulder -- key partners -- are checking the chemical, mineralogical, and geotechnical properties.

Right: This photomicrograph of soil from a lunar mare hints at the underlying variety of genuine Moon dirt and the difficulty of reproducing it. [

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MSFC is developing three new simulants. Two will represent mare and polar highlands regions. A third will represent the glassy, sharp, jagged edges of regolith that test the best of hardware and humans. But matching every location on the Moon would require large numbers of small, unique, expensive batches.

"Instead, we will develop root simulants and manufacture specific simulants from these, but also enable investigators to enhance the products as needed," McLemore added. "I liken this process to baking a cake: depending on the type of cake you want, you need certain ingredients for it to come out right and taste right. Getting the recipe right whether for a cake or lunar simulants is critical."

For example, the new mare simulant will be enriched with ilmenite, a crystalline iron-titanium oxide. Source materials used to produce the three simulants will potentially come from locations as diverse as Montana, Arizona, Virginia, Florida, Hawaii, and even some international sites.

Initial lots will weigh just tens of pounds to ensure that the simulant is made correctly. "Eventually we will scale up to larger quantities when we can make sure that there is little variation from batch to batch," McLemore said.

Once NASA understands how to make the various simulants, plans are to farm the work out to companies to produce larger batches. "We will have certification procedures in place for vendors to follow so users know that the simulants meet the NASA standards," McLemore said.

And that will be the best way to tell it's a "true fake." Accept no substitutes.

Investigators and other potential users should contact Carole A. McLemore NASA/MSFC -- VP33, Huntsville, AL 35812 (256-544-2314 or carole.a.mclemore@nasa.gov)

Author: Dave Dooling | Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips | Credit: Science@NASA

More to the story...

Lunar Regolith Simulant Materials Workshop -- the online proceedings of this 2005 workshop held at the Marshall Space Flight Center include, e.g.:

■Physical and Chemical Characteristics of Lunar Regolith: Considerations for Simulants by Larry Taylor (U. Tennessee)
■Evolution of the Lunar Regolith by David McKay (NASA/JSC)
■Biological Effects of Lunar Surface Mineral Particulates by Russ Kerschmann (NASA/Ames)
■The Moon as a Beach of Fine Powders by Masami Nakagawa (Colorado School of Mines)

Right: A vial of simulated moondust, fine-grained, produced by Orbitec of Madison, Wisconsin. Photo credit: Dr. Tony Phillips.

How do you know when the fake is true? McLemore answers: "We use Apollo core samples and other lunar data to define the figures of merit (FOMs) that we have generated as a mathematical reference to compare the 'goodness' of the simulants against known lunar regolith data." NASA also confers with other groups who have developed their own simulants, such as Japan's FJS-1 and MKS-1 and Canada's OB-1.

Dust, in particular, is a critical simulant need. Mark Hyatt of Glenn Research Center is working to characterize dust for development of a simulant by MSFC. Even Martian soil simulants will need to be developed in time.

"No matter who made the simulant, unless all simulants' properties are understood, there is no way to ensure 'apples to apples' comparison of research performed by scientists and engineers," she cautions. Thus, even the same tests with the same tools can produce conflicting results.

The Vision for Space Exploration

作者: szuzhang 时间: 2018-8-19 08:26
感谢楼主大好人！祝申请顺顺利利！

作者: szuzhang 时间: 2018-8-19 08:32

Shizuka_ 发表于 2017-3-28 03:39
重新在nasa官网上按失效链接里的日期搜到的
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/200 ...

感谢好人！

作者: Sueleslie 时间: 2018-8-19 08:37
感谢楼上好人！！！

作者: 还不知道叫什么 时间: 2018-12-9 19:40

2508719836 发表于 2018-8-18 22:17
True Fakes: Scientists Make Simulated Moondust

同意！

作者: 还不知道叫什么 时间: 2018-12-9 19:41

ohohh 发表于 2009-11-7 15:25
mm好牛的,我没找到这篇的说,这样从第4篇到第7篇都有原文了.

能发我一下吗？非常感谢。384541336(AT) QQ.C0M 感谢

作者: hanzhengyuan 时间: 2018-12-9 22:52
谢谢楼上！

作者: 所以今天吃什么 时间: 2018-12-12 16:56
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28dec_truefake
原链接失效了重新在NASA上翻到了感觉差不多有rock sample 也有模拟

作者: kathy_mj 时间: 2018-12-15 21:05
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