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作者: finalsunny    时间: 2009-10-20 21:03
标题: talking about hbs & mck...

from hbsguru

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How many kids in HBS’11 are from McK, BCG, Goldman, Bain

thanks for those stats.

As many have pointed out, McKinsey  kinda has the same filter as HBS so it is not a super surprise. Altho I agree 115 is a lot.


Sandy -

I read your posts religiously while applying and found it very, very helpful. Thanks for all you do.

I’m currently a first year at HBS and as an FYI to all the consultants out there hoping to get in, in the class of 2011, there are actually 115 people who previously worked at McKinsey. This includes people who had internships there or who did 2 years and then went somewhere else, but it is an enormous / ridiculous number when you consider that the whole class is just ~945. More than 10% of the class comes from a single company.

Also 61 from Goldman, 58 from Bain, 59 from BCG.

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作者: EssePain    时间: 2009-10-20 21:12
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作者: zoeicy    时间: 2009-10-20 21:16
Seriously? That IS a lot...
作者: agnesRED    时间: 2009-10-20 21:19
原来hbs是这么不diversify的地方。。
作者: brass20y    时间: 2009-10-20 21:22

No, diversity!

hbs's Alumni says that my classmates have different background.....en....for example, they come from different consulting firm to prove hbs's diversity.


作者: mhe2    时间: 2009-10-20 21:27
以下是引用brass20y在2009/10/20 21:22:00的发言:

No, diversity!

hbs's Alumni says that my classmates have different background.....en....for example, they come from different consulting firm to prove hbs's diversity.

that's funny~~~


作者: brass20y    时间: 2009-10-20 21:35
It is not fun! It is true thing which happened in hbs Info session.
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作者: EssePain    时间: 2009-10-20 21:47
以下是引用brass20y在2009/10/20 21:35:00的发言:
It is not fun! It is true thing which happened in hbs Info session.

speechless
作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-20 21:49
i guess diversity is a dispensable luxury when they start to worry about employment stats amidst this economy crisis. It's certainly nice to have, but when your rural teaching volunteers from Congo and part-time priests from Chile cannot land jobs after MBA, "diversity" start to be practiced more as lip-service than in real action.



作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-20 21:54
same as investments, at time of crisis, you see people "fly to quality" and buy golds and blue-chip stocks. same logic. human nature reasserting itself basically.


作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-20 21:58
就像找对象一样,你有钱的时候,女人们说爱你的性格,人品,幽默,兴趣。。到你没钱的时候,她们就没影了。

觉得这些和商学院招生一样,都是同一个放之四海而皆准的真理以不同的表现形式出现而已



作者: minivicki    时间: 2009-10-21 11:23
以下是引用wordance在2009/10/20 21:58:00的发言:
就像找对象一样,你有钱的时候,女人们说爱你的性格,人品,幽默,兴趣。。到你没钱的时候,她们就没影了。

觉得这些和商学院招生一样,都是同一个放之四海而皆准的真理以不同的表现形式出现而已


所言极是!
作者: amumu    时间: 2009-10-21 11:51
大家千万不要因爱生恨啊,呵呵
作者: cannedpineapple    时间: 2009-10-23 01:51
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作者: cannedpineapple    时间: 2009-10-23 01:53
标题: 回复:(wordance)i guess diversity is a disp...
To this day, I remain perplexed that people think schools actually
worry about whether applicants can get jobs after graduation. Just
because this is what you worry about, doesn't necessarily mean this is
what schools worry about.

Schools understand that things
change a lot in your two years in business school- your career goals
change, the world economy changes, your skillset changes. Ultimately,
business schools look not for a candidate who is going to be successful
in his job hunt in 2 years (if you're not sure about this, go talk to
100 business school alums, and find out how many changed jobs within 3
years of graduation. Then you'll know why schools don't really care
about what you'll do immediately after business schools). Rather,
business schools look for candidates whom they think will be successful
10, 20 years later- at Wharton, this includes alums like Donald Trump,
alums that people immediately recognise. This is what they look for:
rather than, 'will that rural-teacher from Congo get a job after 2
years?' they think about, 'will this rural-teacher from Congo go back
to Congo, use his contacts there, start a big African company that then
goes on to become a world-leader?'

You've also missed Sandy's
point. Business schools like candidates from top companies like
McKinsey not because they'll do better in the job market, but because
these companies are also thinking the same thing. McKinsey is also
looking at all their potential candidates, then thinking, 'which of
these are going to be most successful, start up their own famous
companies, then want consulting services from us?', or, 'which of these
are going to become famous, and write in their biography, that they had
gone to McKinsey?' It's all about brand-building- business schools do
it, and top companies do it as well. If business schools and top
companies know what they're doing, it's not a surprise that they end up
with a similar pool of people.
作者: realrual    时间: 2009-10-23 09:47
Hey Jason, i do not completely believe that McKinsey recruits people by considering whether he can be a future client,

and the decision maker in interview - managers or directors, they like a future entrepreneur rather than a worker who can immediately make return to company?

thanks   

作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-23 20:40
以下是引用jelt2359在2009/10/23 1:53:00的发言:
To this day, I remain perplexed that people think schools actually
worry about whether applicants can get jobs after graduation. Just
because this is what you worry about, doesn't necessarily mean this is
what schools worry about.

Schools understand that things
change a lot in your two years in business school- your career goals
change, the world economy changes, your skillset changes. Ultimately,
business schools look not for a candidate who is going to be successful
in his job hunt in 2 years (if you're not sure about this, go talk to
100 business school alums, and find out how many changed jobs within 3
years of graduation. Then you'll know why schools don't really care
about what you'll do immediately after business schools). Rather,
business schools look for candidates whom they think will be successful
10, 20 years later- at Wharton, this includes alums like Donald Trump,
alums that people immediately recognise. This is what they look for:
rather than, 'will that rural-teacher from Congo get a job after 2
years?' they think about, 'will this rural-teacher from Congo go back
to Congo, use his contacts there, start a big African company that then
goes on to become a world-leader?'

You've also missed Sandy's
point. Business schools like candidates from top companies like
McKinsey not because they'll do better in the job market, but because
these companies are also thinking the same thing. McKinsey is also
looking at all their potential candidates, then thinking, 'which of
these are going to be most successful, start up their own famous
companies, then want consulting services from us?', or, 'which of these
are going to become famous, and write in their biography, that they had
gone to McKinsey?' It's all about brand-building- business schools do
it, and top companies do it as well. If business schools and top
companies know what they're doing, it's not a surprise that they end up
with a similar pool of people.

 

 You have a point in saying people can change a lot. And maybe i was a bit too extreme.  

But that doesn't change the fact that McK looks way better on a job resume than some sweatshop factory in Africa. Recruiting firms don't care about diversity. They want someone who's competent.  


What I am trying to say is that, in time of crisis, B-schools' criteria for picking applicants are reshuffled and diversity becomes lower on their priority list. Essentially their selection process becomes more aligned with recruiting firms. Otherwise why only last year's HBS admits were almost homogeneously from McK? If your argument were to hold true, this should be the case for every year. 

I believe diversity, like many other things, is inversely correlated to economic cycles. In a recession, people play safe and stay put, investors scale back their risk appetite. And B-schools become more particular about competence rather than diversity. This is only natural. We can't blame them for playing safe when we as individuals are doing exactly the same thing. 
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作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-23 20:57
of course, an alternative explanation to last year's surge in McK admissions at HBS is, due to frozen pay and scraped bonus, the opportunity cost of B-school had never been lower. So people who work at top firms suddenly realized that b-school had become such an economically sensible choice. When people from the top of the food chain jumps onto the bandwagon, the average aspiring engineers, accountants and salespersons get crowded out.

But without solid data to prove the proportional surge in applicants size from McK, it is hard to convince me this is the case.


作者: jelty    时间: 2009-10-23 23:00
I guess the logic is quite simple, If you can get into interview and survive in case interview, you rock.
After that, it is up to you if you enjoy suffering from long hrs

作者: wordance    时间: 2009-10-23 23:04
 yes. reminds me of a rap song by IceCube: 
Laugh now cry later. 

作者: jelty    时间: 2009-10-23 23:06
btw, I don't 100% agree Donald Trump as a good example here due to his family business nature.
is Donald Trump a MBA grad? I remember he transferred to Wharton in his junior yr

作者: moonhorse    时间: 2009-10-24 09:23
Trump is a wharton grad, and his family was already a very successful developer in brooklyn before he took it over. I read his bio before~

作者: knightwhite    时间: 2009-10-28 11:41

It's a situation where B-schools and consulting firms flatter, praise, and prompte each other. It's a win-win cooperation model. 


作者: SL99    时间: 2009-10-28 13:26

Trumps(including Donald's son) enrolled at Wharton becuase of their family background which most of the ppl here don't have. It is another case.


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作者: iChaseMyDream    时间: 2011-4-29 05:28
HBS admissions rate overall 11%
HBS admissions rate MBB    70%
Guess Top IBs even higher




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