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作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-18 16:07
标题: OG12-73 求版主帮帮忙
73. Combning enormous physical strength with higher intelligence, the Neanderthals appear as equipped for facing any obstacle the environment could put in their path, but their relatively sudden disappearance during the Pa;eolithic era indicates that an inabilityto dapt to some environmental change led to their extinction.
a, appear as equipped for facing any obstacle the environment could put in their path
b, appear to have been equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their path
c, appear as equipped to face any  obstacle the environment could put in their pahts
d, appeared as equipped to face any obstacle the environment could put in their paths
e, appeared to have been equipped for facing any obstacle the environment could put in their path.
答案B
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1. appear as equipped, appear-ed as equipped, & appear to have been equipped这三个phrase意思上有什么区别啊?OG里说有的imply现在仍然这么穿, 有的讲以前这么穿,。。。,不是非常清晰。
2. OG答案说之所以用appear是为了与后边indicates平行, 另外也表示这是current evidence about Neanderthals in the past。 我对这个“current evidence”有点疑惑,麻烦您帮我elaborate一下。。要是我用appeared 和 indicated也正确吧?其实我觉得用过去式最好!!
3. 另外我觉得其实即便时态不一样(i.e., appeared & indicate), 也是可以parallel的啊(只要逻辑上同就行啊。。)版主觉得呢?

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作者: nickylxl    时间: 2009-10-18 17:46

appear和indicate都是现在时啊,只是一个是neanderthals是复数,一个eolithic era是单数而已啊

至于appear as equipped, appear-ed as equipped, & appear to have been equipped应该是靠理解意思吧……我也不太懂

求教~!~!


作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 00:10

UP, 版主请帮帮忙


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 10:23

如果是appear as,一定是说显现出某一个形态,而现在Neanderthals已经消失了,不能再显现某个形态了,只能是我们从现代的视角去远古的Neanderthals,所以appear用现在时,此时是表达seem的意思(看起来似乎)。不定式用完成时,是表达“过去的事情”。

appear和indicate都是从现在的视角去看,所以应该时态上平行。现在的视角看到的东西就是current evidence。


作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 11:05

了解了。

版主,我还想问, 像appear to, seem to这样的词组是不是也可以有过去时呢?(比如加上明显的过去时间做状语)google一下有很多啊?什么情况下用过去时呢?


作者: sunjin1988    时间: 2009-10-19 11:08

楼上正解!!!


作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 11:53

aeoluseros,

了解了。

我还想问, 像appear to, seem to这样的词组是不是也可以有过去时呢?(比如加上明显的过去时间做状语)google一下有很多啊?什么情况下用过去时呢?


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 12:04

这应该是纯粹的一般过去时态,从过去的视角来看就是appeared to,比如某个事件在过去看来是怎么怎么样的,通常用appeared to暗含了现在看起来已经不再那样了的含义.


作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 12:32
了解了。3Q
作者: 御用白兔    时间: 2009-10-19 17:32

版主我想问一下这个题关于path paths的问题。

OG上对C的解释是while individual N may well have followed different paths, this sentence is about the single evolutionary path taken by N as a species.

不太理解关于他说的taken by N as a species。麻烦帮我解释一下`~谢谢了


作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 21:23

taken by N修饰path,其中taken是被动语态的缩略(path that is taken by N as a species).

所以这个句子的意思是"N作为一个种族所采用的进化路线"


作者: guduliumang    时间: 2009-12-9 14:52
楼主或其他NN们都在不,麻烦能不能解释一下,为什么用to have been equipped而不用as equipped呢.我后天就考试了.OG的解释看不懂急呀

谢谢.
作者: 红尘道士    时间: 2009-12-26 07:33
版主精辟,茅塞顿开
作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-12-26 12:02
楼主或其他NN们都在不,麻烦能不能解释一下,为什么用to have been equipped而不用as equipped呢.我后天就考试了.OG的解释看不懂急呀

谢谢.
-- by 会员 guduliumang (2009/12/9 14:52:03)



appear as equipped的逻辑含义不对. appear as是"作为...出现(表现为)"
比如:He was billed to appear as Macbeth.
作者: ageng    时间: 2010-1-19 22:49
明白了很多,不过还有个问题不解:
发现选项中appear as后面都跟equipped,而appear to后面都是have been equipped
后者明显是被动语态,而者看起来像个分词。但从A的解释中As equipped indicates that Neanderthals still appear this way;可知appear as equipped是现在时被动。正确答案应表达为过去时+被动。所以我觉得应该是had been equipped,或者was equipped(当然从后面的could、let都是过去式看这里用过去完成应该更好)可为什么答案用的是现在完成时呢?
作者: prayer    时间: 2010-2-1 10:22
by default, "appear" is in the present tense, since we're talking about the way these things appear to present-day observers.

if there were a context that would place "appear" in the past, then you could use the past tense. for instance: to nineteenth-century observers, they appeared to have been equipped...
but, absent such a context, you should go with the present, for simplicity (the default assumption is that this "appears" to be the case to present observers).

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in this case, you've also got parallelism between "appear" and "indicates", two descriptions that both describe observations made in the present.
since "indicates" is not underlined, that determines the tense context. so your other observation, which is made at the same time, should be parallel to it.
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作者: Jasonhere    时间: 2010-3-5 10:38
appear接to do/be,不直接跟that,除非it appears that
作者: 加州女孩    时间: 2010-5-2 21:13
标题: 期待版主指正
请问版主,appear as 我觉得逻辑意思上也说得通啊,为什么不行呢?可以用appeared as表示以前呈现的形态啊,为啥不可以呢?
作者: imagelan    时间: 2010-6-3 06:28
Prayer 的解释很有道理。终于明白了为什么appear 要用现在式。但是,还有一个疑问appear to do 和 appear as 有什么区别呢?appear as 在朗文上也没有查到。

而且,还有一点不明白的就是appear as equipped中equipped很容易误以为是过去式,我觉得可能还是对as equipped这种结构比较陌生. as在这里是介词吗?怎么理解介词+Ved这种形式呢?

先谢谢了~~
作者: 红尘道士    时间: 2010-6-23 15:42
本题答案C最难判断,以下是本人思考结果,共参考
appear as (they are)equipped to face any  obstacle the environment could put in their pahts
明显equipped省略了they are ,因为they were是不能够省略的,而这个时态与could不符合
作者: pencilcolor    时间: 2010-9-5 19:32
Longman对appear to do sth 的解释

used to say how something seems, especially from what you know about it or from what you can see
appear to be sth

 appear to do sth
 The survey appears to contradict motor industry claims.

Longman对appear as没有解释,可以看dict.cn的解释如下:
appear as  
v. 作为 ... 出现, 表现为
Examples:
He was billed to appear as Macbeth.  
节目单上注明他将登台饰演马克白。
An apparition of a living person that appears as a portent just before that person's death.  
灵魂出窍,亡魂显现活着的人在其临死前出现的作为预兆的鬼魂
He is billed to (ie It is announced that he will) appear as Othello.  
已把他列入节目单内,将扮演奥赛罗。

Appear on the stage as
登台扮演
At least 至少起码; In spite of 不管尽管虽然; Appear on the stage as 登台扮演;   englishlxq.ucoz.com
appear as hosts at the show
作为主持人出现在演出中

所以appear as 大部分都是用在演出,扮演某种角色,以某种形式或者身份出现的意思。这与appear to do的看起来呈某种状态明显有区别,而原文应该用appear to do
作者: kakadinho    时间: 2010-12-15 23:44
明白了很多,不过还有个问题不解:
发现选项中appear as后面都跟equipped,而appear to后面都是have been equipped
后者明显是被动语态,而者看起来像个分词。但从A的解释中As equipped indicates that Neanderthals still appear this way;可知appear as equipped是现在时被动。正确答案应表达为过去时+被动。所以我觉得应该是had been equipped,或者was equipped(当然从后面的could、let都是过去式看这里用过去完成应该更好)可为什么答案用的是现在完成时呢?
-- by 会员 ageng (2010/1/19 22:49:16)


今天看OG12看到这道题73题,就翻到了这个老帖,偶有同样的Concern,不知是否是这样解释:
确实是had been equipped, 但由于用在appear 的后面做to do不定式,所以had要变成have, 所以appear to have been equipped 其实就是表示的had been equipped的意思。这也就是为什么OG的解释说: Because N "disappeared", the verb describing their apparent abilities cannot be present sense, so as equipped must be changed to to have been equipped. 而这就是这个“ to have” 看上去也像个现在时态但其实表示的是过去完成时的原因。

期待NN反驳或者确认。不然偶实在不确定OG的意思。
作者: 紫小妮    时间: 2010-12-16 05:38
应该不是要表达 apear to had been equiped
因为根据过去完成时的定义  是指过去的过去  如果是过去完成时  那说明N的appear跟 any obstacle the enviroment could put in their path是有先后顺序的 先有obstacle 然后N才出现  但这句并没有这个意思  

我觉得用have been equiped 只是用了完成时态的最基本概念: 跟即将发生的事有联系, 对其有影响,   就是后面引出的 their sudden disapperence  就是想说“N出现的时候又这又那, 很强壮,但后来突然灭绝了”这两件事是相互联系的  

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(看了他的选项我会觉得说他的选项很perfect   但真在考场上我肯定想不出来  怎么办)
作者: cd_masahiro    时间: 2010-12-27 18:59
一点看法,句子想表达Ns在disappearance之前就appear to be equipped to do sth,现在Ns disappear了,所以appear to have been equipped to do sth
作者: v19suffered    时间: 2011-1-17 00:26
manhattan IDIOMS STRATEGY关于APPEAR用法的总结
RIGHT:
Imperfections APPEAR AS tiny cracks. (= show up as)
He APPEARS CONFUSED. (= seems)
The dinosaurs APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN relatively smart.
IT APPEARS THAT the dinosaurs WERE smart.
WRONG:
He APPEARS AS confosed The dinosaurs APPEARED AS smart.

我当然是一种不求甚解的做法,但是记住这些例句,在考试中套着用也不失为一策
作者: yuantengxuanwu    时间: 2011-8-12 11:09
我怎么觉得这个就是应该appeared呢,正是因为现在消失了,所以才是过去appeared,因为从现在的角度来看这个物种已经没了啊,从过去看这个物种是什么都适应的。这样才能从逻辑意思上平行啊。还请版主解答,谢谢!
作者: rubyrain0607    时间: 2011-8-16 22:12
请问版主,appear as 我觉得逻辑意思上也说得通啊,为什么不行呢?可以用appeared as表示以前呈现的形态啊,为啥不可以呢?
-- by 会员 加州女孩 (2010/5/2 21:13:37)


我也一直在纠结这个问题呵
作者: Jane412    时间: 2011-11-5 10:27
Longman对appear to do sth 的解释

used to say how something seems, especially from what you know about it or from what you can see
appear to be sth

 appear to do sth
 The survey appears to contradict motor industry claims.

Longman对appear as没有解释,可以看dict.cn的解释如下:
appear as  
v. 作为 ... 出现, 表现为
Examples:
He was billed to appear as Macbeth.  
节目单上注明他将登台饰演马克白。
An apparition of a living person that appears as a portent just before that person's death.  
灵魂出窍,亡魂显现活着的人在其临死前出现的作为预兆的鬼魂
He is billed to (ie It is announced that he will) appear as Othello.  
已把他列入节目单内,将扮演奥赛罗。

Appear on the stage as
登台扮演
At least 至少起码; In spite of 不管尽管虽然; Appear on the stage as 登台扮演;   englishlxq.ucoz.com
appear as hosts at the show
作为主持人出现在演出中

所以appear as 大部分都是用在演出,扮演某种角色,以某种形式或者身份出现的意思。这与appear to do的看起来呈某种状态明显有区别,而原文应该用appear to do
-- by 会员 pencilcolor (2010/9/5 19:32:26)



up  关于appear ,我觉得解释的挺清楚的~~``




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