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作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-18 15:39
标题: OG12-118 请版主帮帮忙

118. The world wildlife fund has declared that global warming, a phenomenon most scientsts agree to be caused by human begings in burning fossil fuels, will create havoc among migratory birds by altering the enviroment in ways harmful to their habitats.

a) A phenomenon most scientists agree to be caused by human beings in burning fossil fuels,
b) a phenomenon most scientists agree that is caused by fossil fuels burned by human beings,
c) a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels
d) which most scientists agree on as phenomenon caused by human beings who burn fossil fuels,
e) which most scientsts agree to be a phenomenon caused by fossil fuels burned by human beings

答案是C

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作者: taozike    时间: 2009-10-18 17:42

其实这里的a phenomenon 指代global warming,从而不用再重复 global warming。

其实这里是同位语从句,不是定语从句。(名词 that 同位语从句)


作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 00:10
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作者: AlienX    时间: 2009-10-19 04:04
A/E的"most scientists agree to be caused by.."本身就不好.  LZ可以查一下Longman字典.
C中的most scientists agree是限制性的插入短語, 所以沒有commas.  如果有commas, 那就變成a phenomenon that is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels.  意思上不太一樣.

作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 06:08

感谢alienx,能不能麻烦具体点?要是能有inlined answer那就最好了。 麻烦你了

1. A&E, 我知道有点怪。 但我想知道到底哪里怪。“agree to do” longman里的意思全是sb agree to sth 或sb agree to do sth

i--请问,A&E错的原因是不是因为A agree to be done(A同意被怎样怎样。。)在这里变成scientist同意被caused by, 而不是phenomenon被caused by -- 意思错误?

ii--另外,agree to be sth (YaoMing agreed to be a Rockets), agree to be adj (agree to be quite)两中用法都存在对吧?

iii--而 sb agree sth to be true/caused by就不对了(agree本身也是不及物动词), 对吗?

iv--令, 在longman里找到My sister won't agree to our mother going into a nursing home, 这个可以generalize成agree to sb doing sth(赞成某人做某事)么?

2. 关于C选项, 我不明白你的意思。 能不能具体点回复我的这两个问题?没听说有”限制性的插入短語“这么个语法结构啊?

  • that这里引导定语从句对吧?“most scientists agree"到底是什么成分啊?
        
  • 假如"most scientest agree"是主谓, 那此句变成正常语序就变成most scientists agree “a phenomenon” is caused by human begins' burning of fossil fuels.即“a phenomonon..."是agree的宾语。但是宾语从句前不是应该有'that'么(sb agree that a phenomenon...)?

  • 作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 10:05

    根据排除法还是能选出C的,但是对于C的用法,我没找到书面上的理论解释。

    agree的含义:
    跟不定式:“同意做某事”
    跟从句:同意....是事实,或应当如何
    所以A的不定式"同意被做掉"那么就错了,E的"同意成为一个现象",也错了。
    故:
    选项A, 假如把by human beings in burning fossil fuels改成by human beings' burning of fossil fuels, 会变成最好选项么?
    选项E,   假如把by fossil fuels burned by human beings改成by human beings' burning fo fossil fuels, 会变成最好选项么?
    两个都不会。

    读这个句子的时候我也一直在most scientists agree究竟是插入语还是定语从句的观点里徘徊...
    如果是插入语,可是我查不到这样的用法,all in all, there're no commas on both sides...

    那就试试看定语从句能否解释得通:
    C选项:a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels
    宾语从句后面的that绝对是能省的,特别这里most scientists agree前面有一个that了,句子里要避免两个that出现得很近,所以会省略一个或者把其中一个that用其他词替换.
    所以我们在还原C选项的时候应该把that也补上:
    a phenomenon that most scientists agree (that the phenomenon) is caused by human begins' burning of fossil fuels.
    可以发现省略去后面的the phenomenon后:第一不引起歧义,因为phenomenon在宾语从句里做主语,离得也近,第二如果重复phenomenon会很罗嗦。所以省略the phenomenon并没有问题。只要符合这两点,语法里无一例外都能省略,我们或许应该把省略的范围看得再大一点,而不仅限于平行比较结构。


    作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 11:43

    两位(alienx & aeoluseros)牛魔王(称呼NN太埋没您了),前边的问题不用再看了, 总结了一下:

    1.“【aeoluseros】宾语从句后面的that绝对是能省的(尤其像这种定语从句里还带个宾语从句的)” -- 【paul】 这点能确定么? 我是不是应该雇人把XDF石林给”做“了?--anyway,假如能省, aeoluseros的解释我可以接受 ^_^

    2. “【aeoluseros】只要符合这两点,语法里无一例外都能省略,我们或许应该把省略的范围看得再大一点,而不仅限于平行比较结构。” --【paul】同意, ellipsis --还记得有一道OG, ”the wine has been priced to sell, and they do (sell)"这道题我正经痛苦了一阵,最后去了manhattan review 的forum才弄明白

    3. "【alienx】中的most scientists agree是限制性的插入短語, 所以沒有commas.  如果有commas, 那就變成a phenomenon that is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels.  意思上不太一樣." 【paul】您解释解释什么叫(限制性)插入短语吧?我觉得插入语得用comma隔开啊.既然你说这是插入语, 那不是说句子"主干"就是"a phenomenon that is caused by ..."么?这次麻烦你一定elaborate。


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 11:58

    恩,我确定能省。Prep里面也有很多例子,比如松鼠跳的那个:

    135. At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could jump from tree to tree without once touching the ground between New York State and Georgia.


    作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 12:45

    了解了。一般都是两个that在一起离得太近可以省一个对吧?

    另, 这题确实也可以理解成插入语!其实殊途同归, 搞不好这两个其实是一个知识点,你觉得呢 (你上边PREP135“it was said"不也可以看成是插入语嘛)?

    用简短的句子结构作插入语。这类短语有:I think, I hope, I guess, I believe, I suppose, I wonder, I tell you, I say, I'm afraid, I'm sure, you see, you know, as you know, that is, that is to say, what's more等等,它们可以置于句中或句尾。如:
        I suggest you choose someone who you think is kind and friendly.
        This diet, I think, will do good to your health.
        It won't be raining long, I hope.
        You will have to work harder, you know, if you want to succeed.


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 12:58
    umm...maybe...不过我在The Handbook of Good English上看到过插入语是要逗号的...但众说纷纭,GMAT就是有些地方跟语法书是有出入的...要不把这两个句子都记下来...以后让谁看到这里再续此贴吧..


    另外我在OG12-RC的最后一篇中倒是看到一句话:In the two decades between 1910 and 1930, more than ten percent of the black population of the United States left the South, where the preponderance of the black pupilation had been located, and migrated to northern states, with the largest number moving, it is claimed, between 1916 and 1918.
    作者: AlienX    时间: 2009-10-19 14:01
    a phenomenon that(, most scientists agree,) is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels<--非限制性的插入, 所以author是認為/a fact這個phenomenon是caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels, 而不是most scientists認為
    a phenomenon that most scientists agree is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels<--限制性的插入, 所以是most scientists認為這個phenomenon是caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels

    有時候, 插入的東東很短, 有些書建議把commas omitted.

    Anyway, 這題不是考comma, 而這種comma omission (if I remember correctly) 從來不是考點.

    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-19 15:40
    恩,alien兄解释得在理,总让我开阔思路。

    只是我仍有点疑虑:
    1.这里作者作为陈述一个fact,而不是自己的观点,感觉不管插入成分是限制性的还是非限制性的意思差别都不是很大(我回头再体会一下,不过这也正符合了alien兄说的comma在此不成考点的说法...)
    2.这里的most scientists agree虽然短,但还是插入语的基本形式

    anyway,comma omission不会是考点
    作者: paulpaul82    时间: 2009-10-19 15:45

    1.我觉得两个也没大差别

    2.主+谓就两个词啦。再短也得两个^_^

    谢谢两位版主!!


    作者: 御用白兔    时间: 2009-10-23 15:10

    麻烦斑竹NN帮忙解释一下

    B的a phenomennon most scientists agree that is caused by ...为什么不对呢?

    如果按aeoluseros斑竹 说的a phenonmenon (that)most scientists agree 这里是省略定语从句的that,而把宾语从句的that留下可以嘛?

    那如果按AlienX斑竹说的是插入语的话,为什么不能在前面做插入语呢?


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-23 23:59

    OG里面对B的解释已经有了:That is should immediately follow phenomenon, not agree.

    这句话里可以看出来:
    1.同位语从句的that必须跟在概括词后面。
    2."that is"是整体。


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-24 00:00
    以下是引用御用白兔在2009/10/23 15:10:00的发言:

    麻烦斑竹NN帮忙解释一下

    B的a phenomennon most scientists agree that is caused by ...为什么不对呢?

    如果按aeoluseros斑竹 说的a phenonmenon (that)most scientists agree 这里是省略定语从句的that,而把宾语从句的that留下可以嘛?

    那如果按AlienX斑竹说的是插入语的话,为什么不能在前面做插入语呢?

    插入语的位置总是很关键,它只从属于离它最近的分句,比如这里就肯定只从属于a phenonmenon that引导的同位语从句里。所以逻辑意思也有不同


    作者: 御用白兔    时间: 2009-10-24 00:07

    谢谢斑竹~我明白这个了~在问一下关于定语从句的that什么时候可以省略,什么时候必须加?

    OG50.in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come 这里OG的解释是the recession must be followed by that.

    而62. to establish tighter restrictions on the amount of grain farmers will be allowed to grow and to encourage这里的farmers前就没有加that


    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2009-10-24 01:55

    OG50.in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come 这里OG的解释是the recession must be followed by that.
    这句recession后面如果加了that,后面的是同位语从句,而不是定语从句。所以一定要加that。

    定语从句的话,基本上如果句子清晰的话,只要先行词在从句中做宾语,就可以省。


    作者: lpdeng    时间: 2009-12-21 09:25
    太佩服两位版主了!!!!
    作者: lzj1209    时间: 2010-1-15 18:11
    今天又学到了一招~~
    谢谢两位斑斑!!
    作者: aeoluseros    时间: 2010-1-18 17:41
    http://forum.chasedream.com/gmat_sc/thread-417488-1-1.html
    这个语法点终于被澄清了
    作者: mongmong    时间: 2011-5-4 22:52
    A/E的"most scientists agree to be caused by.."本身就不好.  LZ可以查一下Longman字典.
    C中的most scientists agree是限制性的插入短語, 所以沒有commas.  如果有commas, 那就變成a phenomenon that is caused by human beings's burning of fossil fuels.  意思上不太一樣.
    -- by 会员 AlienX (2009/10/19 4:04:00)



    嗯精辟
    作者: mongmong    时间: 2011-5-4 23:34
    OG50.in the economy to avoid the recession many were fearing earlier in the year, and rather to come 这里OG的解释是the recession must be followed by that.
    这句recession后面如果加了that,后面的是同位语从句,而不是定语从句。所以一定要加that。
    定语从句的话,基本上如果句子清晰的话,只要先行词在从句中做宾语,就可以省。

    -- by 会员 aeoluseros (2009/10/24 1:55:00)



    为啥 “这句recession后面如果加了that,后面的是同位语从句,而不是定语从句。所以一定要加that。” 


    谢谢!




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