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作者: ohayo    时间: 2004-3-13 18:47
标题: 请教一道语法JJ 2(真题)

Most insomnia is not an illness or a physical condition so much as a symptom of another problem that may simply be a reaction to certain medications, anxiety about travel, or stress before a job interview.fficeffice" />


    


B     an illness or a physical condition so much as symptomatic of another problem that may be a simple one, like a reaction caused by certain medications


    


C     so much an illness or a physical condition but a symptom of another problem that may be as simple as when certain medications cause a reaction


    


D so much an illness or a physical condition, but it is a symptom of another problem, maybe a simple one like certain medications causing a reaction


    


E so much an illness or a physical condition but symptomatic of another problem, maybe simply a reaction to certain medications



参考答案 E


明白的能讲讲吗? 特别是SO MUCH, SO MUCH AS 的用法.


作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-3-13 19:56
本题关键在于an illness or a physical condition so much as a symptoman illnessa symptom不是同类事物,无法比较多少。如果为not so much an illness or a physical condition as symptom of a problem应当是对的fficeffice" />

ETS关于so muchso much as(以下均来自GMAT/GRE/LSAT CR, RC):


ancient Greek descriptions of such societies were meant not so much to represent observed historical fact—real Amazonian societies—but rather to offer “moral lessons” on the supposed outcome of women’s rule in their own society


The surface temperature would be so much lower that the oceans might be a solid mass (solid mass: 实体) of ice. (表示程度)


Bearden’s true significance lies not so much in his own work as in his efforts to help other minority artists(比较)


this is not so much a weakness in her work as it is the inevitable result of scholars’ neglect of this period.(比较)


    It has also been proposed that just because we know so much about people intuitively(程度、多少)





this plant starts to grow rapidly in the lake, using up so much silica from the water that by late spring there is no longer enough to maintain its own growth. (多少)


作者: jnlvo    时间: 2004-3-13 23:45
好题,支持!谢谢weiyu总结!


作者: ohayo    时间: 2004-3-14 16:21
多谢,weiyu兄.


>本题关键在于an illness or a physical condition so much as a >symptoman illnessa symptom不是同类事物,无法比较多少。如果为>not so much an illness or a physical condition as symptom of a problem应当>是对的


NOT SO MUCH AS 无法用.


可为什么not so much...........as 可以接不同类事物呢 ?


我认为so much as是甚至于的意思, 所以在这里句意不通.


    


请多指教


作者: lotery    时间: 2004-3-14 17:38
我以前以为
not ... but(rahter) ... 和 not so much ... as ... 不能混用
因为 not A but B 是否认A 取B
not so much A as B 是 B>A



BTW     (E)後面也有parallelism
reaction to, anxiety about , stress    before        






作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-3-15 08:55
杨鹏的难句:


If one begins by examining why ancients refer to Amazons , it becomes clear that ancient Greek descriptions of such societies were meant not so much to represent observed historical fact –real Amazonian societies – but rather to offer “moral lessons” on the supposed outcome of women’s rule in their own societyfficeffice" />


如果我们先研究一下为什么古人会提到亚马逊人,下面的一点就变得清晰了,那就是古希腊对于这种社会的庙睡不是太多的被用来表达观察的历史事实——真正的亚麻逊社会的——而是为了对于妇女在其社会中的统治的预期后果提供一种“道德教导”。


在这里:not so much...but rather..是:不是...而是...的意思。


下面两个例子来自(GRE/LSAT RC)


What Stilgoe calls “romantic-era distrust” was in fact the reaction of a minority of writers, artistes, and intellectuals who distrusted the railroad not so much for what it was as for what it signified.


(E) new technology does not so much preempt as enhance a traditional art form


所以not so much...as...是:不是...而是...; 或与其说...不如说...的意思。


    


作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-3-15 14:11

Most insomnia is not an illness or a physical condition so much as a symptom of another problem that may simply be a reaction to certain medications, anxiety about travel, or stress before a job interview.fficeffice" />


B.     an illness or a physical condition so much as symptomatic of another problem that may be a simple one, like a reaction caused by certain medications


C.     so much an illness or a physical condition but a symptom of another problem that may be as simple as when certain medications cause a reaction


D.     so much an illness or a physical condition, but it is a symptom of another problem, maybe a simple one like certain medications causing a reaction


E.     so much an illness or a physical condition but symptomatic of another problem, maybe simply a reaction to certain medications


ohayo:肯定形式so much that引导结果状语(有的语法书认为sothat引导程度状语)。本题和此肯定形式无关,不用考虑。


本题考的应该是否定形式的so much: not so muchas/but, notso much as/but, not so much as和not so much that but/as (that), 还有限制和非限制修饰


ohayo not so much as是个副词(注意,4个单词连在以一起,没有别的成分在中间)=not even,和比较无关,本题没有使用这个用法.


1,not so muchas/but, notso much as/but: 与其说是不如说是。but和as可以互换,在这里是同义。


A是notso much as, B 是 not so much as, C是 not so muchbut, E是not so muchbut. 对于not so much的用法来说,都是对的,也没有比较的问题。


2,not so much that but/as (that)意思:不是而是。第一个that不可以省略,第二个可以。


D是 not so much , but(that), 前后不平行,前面接短语,后面接分句。所以D排除。另外,D的like应该为such as, D的certain medications causing a reaction和后面的成分不平行。


3,只有E使用非限制性的修饰,句子意思可以理解,maybe后的成分作同位语补充说明problem。


A,B,C都是用限制性修饰,排除。另外,B的like应该为such as, C的as simple as when篡改了句子意思。


Weiyu: symptomatic在这一句话里形容词作表语.实际上用symptom和symtomatic作表语都是可以的。所以,如果A不用限制性修饰,就是对的。


作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-3-15 16:42
Weiyu: symptomatic在这一句话里形容词作表语.实际上用symptom和symtomatic作表语都是可以的。所以,如果A不用限制性修饰,就是对的。

Thanks Tianwan. 前面都懂了,可是能否讲讲这里为何限定性定语从句不对?
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-3-15 19:50

先简化一下:fficeffice" />


A. a symptom of another problem that may be a reaction, anxiety, or stress.


That从句限制性修饰problem: 另一个可能是a reaction, anxiety, or stress的毛病。隐含的意思是这个毛病只能是a reaction, 这一种anxiety, or 这一种stress中的一个。


E. symptomatic of another problem, maybe a reaction , anxiety, or stress.


这里,problem可能是任何另一个毛病,可能是a reaction , anxiety, or stress中的一个,也可能是另外的某个毛病: 比如anxiety of something else, stress of something else或别的什么毛病等等。


A从语法上讲没有问题,但是从逻辑意思上分析不严谨。同时,用定语从句修饰,不如直接用名词修饰简洁。


个人观点,大家讨论,请指正。


作者: weiyu    时间: 2004-3-23 14:38
以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-15 19:50:00的发言:

先简化一下:fficeffice" />



A. a symptom of another problem that may be a reaction, anxiety, or stress.



That从句限制性修饰problem: 另一个可能是a reaction, anxiety, or stress的毛病。隐含的意思是这个毛病只能是a reaction, 这一种anxiety, or 这一种stress中的一个。



E. symptomatic of another problem, maybe a reaction , anxiety, or stress.



这里,problem可能是任何另一个毛病,可能是a reaction , anxiety, or stress中的一个,也可能是另外的某个毛病: 比如anxiety of something else, stress of something else或别的什么毛病等等。


A从语法上讲没有问题,但是从逻辑意思上分析不严谨。同时,用定语从句修饰,不如直接用名词修饰简洁。


个人观点,大家讨论,请指正。





Tianwan, a reaction to certain medications, anxiety about travel, or stress before a job interview都是指症状, 而不是之problem, 所以如果that指代problem逻辑意思不对.但是A of B that, that可指代A也可以指代B,但是优先指代B对吗?这里唯一的区别就是你所说的that...隐含了症状只能是以上三种
作者: tianwan    时间: 2004-3-23 16:10

Tianwan, a reaction to certain medications, anxiety about travel, or stress before a job interview都是指症状, 而不是之problem, 所以如果that指代problem逻辑意思不对.但是A of B that, that可指代A也可以指代B,但是优先指代B对吗?这里唯一的区别就是你所说的that...隐含了症状只能是以上三种fficeffice" />


Weiyu:你的观点是正确的,that从句有可能修饰symptom。However:


Most insomnia is not an illness or a physical condition so much as a symptom of another problem that may simply be a reaction to certain medications, anxiety about travel, or stress before a job interview.


1.                     that从句应该是修饰problem的,句子意思应该是(选项E的翻译):失眠与其说是一种疾病或身体状况,不如说是别的问题的一个症状,如对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力(的症状)。在that修饰problem的前提下,A选项的限制性修饰不恰当,翻译为:失眠与其说是一种疾病或身体状况,不如说是一个是对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力别的问题(的症状)。但problem可以是对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力。


2.                     A,如果that修饰symptom, 句子意思应该是:失眠与其说是一种疾病或身体状况,不如说是一个是对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力的(别的问题的症状)。但symptom不可能是对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力。失眠就是睡不着觉,可能是因为(对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力)而睡不着觉,但不是(对某些药的反应,对旅行的焦虑或面试前的压力)。


3.                     所以如果A的that修饰symptom,句子意思有问题;如果A的that修饰problem,限制性修饰不恰当。即使前两者都说得通,A的结构如你所说“但是A of B that, that可指代A也可以指代B”,造成了歧义,应该避免。就是说,即使A使用费限制性修饰,symptom也没有E的symptomatic好。“但是A of B that, that可指代A也可以指代B”,这是英语的一个修饰上尴尬。我们只能从修饰语的内容来决定修饰A或修饰B,选项E就是避免了这个尴尬,用symptomatic代替symptom,从而后面的reaction, anxiety or stress(problem的同位语)明确的指向了problem。


一家直言,请指正。


作者: 麻集爱    时间: 2004-5-21 14:34

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作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-21 18:40

大家的讨论太厉害了

偶选A,排除E的理由如下:
1. not... but...连接的两个部分应对称:not连接的是名词短语,而but连接的是形容词短语,错。
2. maybe是口语表达,故错。
3. 固定搭配not so... as...,E中not so...but 错。

请指正。谢谢!


作者: 日本王八    时间: 2004-5-21 20:46
支持LES妹妹,骨灰级高手。怎么语法区很少看见葛老前辈啊???
作者: 青鸟    时间: 2004-5-21 22:14

当然选E。


作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-22 00:14
以下是引用日本王八在2004-5-21 20:46:00的发言:
支持LES妹妹,骨灰级高手。怎么语法区很少看见葛老前辈啊???


偶也经常看到他在上面闪啊闪的,就是不下来。郁闷ing.

p.s. “骨灰级”?不懂的说

作者: LES    时间: 2004-5-22 00:16
以下是引用青鸟在2004-5-21 22:14:00的发言:

当然选E。



mm能不能说明一下理由,简单的说。上面NN们的看得偶眼晕。
作者: mariezhu    时间: 2004-5-22 12:07

要我说还是选A,E的平行就有问题,还有看了哪个maybe,实在不是书面语


作者: dashasha    时间: 2004-5-22 14:21

天啊,大家讨论太深入了,看得人眼晕,能不能简单点啊?


作者: lshine    时间: 2004-5-23 04:49

看完大家的讨论可真费神呐,偶这里先PF诸位NN一把~~~

我认为该选A,A中的A of B that ... 可能造成歧义,但根据GMAT的标准并不一定能成为独立断误的依据。

而E的错误可能我同意LES说的前两条,的确有结构不对称的问题;但有个问题,maybe在G中是一定错吗?






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