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作者: summergal 时间: 2009-9-12 13:37
标题: 又是头疼的with问题-大全979请大家帮忙！

The failing of the book lies not in a lack of attention to scientific detail but in the depiction of scenes of life and death in the marine world with emotional overtones that reduce the credibility of the work.

(A) the depiction of scenes of life and death in the marine world with emotional overtones that

(B) fact that it depicts marine world scenes of life and death as having emotional overtones that

(D) depiction of marine world scenes of life and death, which have emotional overtones and thus（A）

(E) fact that if depicts scenes of life and death in the marine world, whose emotional overtones

总觉得A最后的with emotional overtones有修饰歧义，既可以修饰depiction也可修饰world,这里好像根据就近原则修饰world更好（？）

请大家指点迷津！

作者: 遗失的紫水晶 时间: 2010-5-1 14:48
up 同问，请NN、帮忙解答

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 16:09
with + n.作状语修饰前一个分句的动作类型词

动作类型词！！！

作者: venus2elva 时间: 2010-5-1 17:56
正在总结with的用法，过来随便说说。

with放在句子后面，没有逗号隔开的情况，有两种可能，1. 作定语，限定修饰就近名词。此题中，the marine world 已经是特指，不能再被限定。 2. 作状语，表示方式或伴随。所以with emotional tones修饰了deception。而且不存在其他歧义。

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 18:03

正在总结with的用法，过来随便说说。

with放在句子后面，没有逗号隔开的情况，有两种可能，1. 作定语，限定修饰就近名词。此题中，the marine world 已经是特指，不能再被限定。 2. 作状语，表示方式或伴随。所以with emotional tones修饰了deception。而且不存在其他歧义。

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 17:56:13)

要是有逗号呢？

作者: venus2elva 时间: 2010-5-1 18:09

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 17:56:13)

要是有逗号呢？

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 18:03:05

有逗号也是两种情况，作定语或者作状语。
作定语是非限定性的，没有歧义的情况下正确。有逗号也可能是插入语，一样，非限定解释最近的名词。
作状语表示主句动作的方式，或者伴随，或者表示结果，等等。

还有一种with结构置于句首，与后面内容用逗号分开的，也是作状语，逻辑主语要与主句一致。

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 19:47

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 17:56:13)

要是有逗号呢？

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 18:03:05

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 18:09:59)

在句首只能做状语吗？

作者: venus2elva 时间: 2010-5-1 20:13

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 17:56:13)

要是有逗号呢？

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 18:03:05

-- by 会员 venus2elva (2010/5/1 18:09:59)

在句首只能做状语吗？

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 19:47:11)

是的。

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-1 20:43

恕我愚昧，请教各位nn
我在prep笔记上看的with的用法
1.with+n+ed/ing
2.with+n+adj
3.with+n+介词短语做状语修饰前一个分句的动作类型词
我对第三点理解的不是很透彻
是只有.with+n+介词短语才可以做状语修饰前一分句的动作类型吗？
刚才2楼的nn说with+n可以做状语来修饰，这样也可以吗？不用后面非要有介词短语吗？

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 21:13

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/1 20:43:14)

哈哈我离NN差很远呢。。。。
我也有这过这个疑问，但是我知道有这样一句句子He went home with an apple.

我刚刚又去查了一下，发现大全里很多正确的句子都是with 只加一个n的
46. According to some economists, Japan is in danger of plunging into a depression that, with double-digit unemployment, could severely strain a society that regards lifetime employment as a virtual right of citizenship.

60.After a few weeks’ experience, apprentice jewelers can usually begin to discriminate, though not with absolute certainty,between genuine diamonds and imitation diamonds.

86.Although it is just inside the orbit of Jupiter, amateur astronomers with good telescopes should be able to see the comet within the next few weeks.

90.Although Napoleon’s army entered Russia with far more supplies thanfor any previous campaign, it had provisions for only twenty-four days. for比in好，because supplies are gathered/or an upcoming campaign

120.A baby emerges from the darkness of the womb with a rudimentary sense of vision that would be rated about 20/500; an adult with such vision would be deemed legally blind. 这个还是跟问题一样n后加了个定语从句

137.Russell Banks suggests that a lack of grand ideas has left writers with only semiotics, hermeneutics, and deconstruction.

……

我突然发现with+n.都是修饰名词的，想了想觉得是因为如果with后面只有一个n不能表达得出伴随或者方式的意思，所以做状语的话n后还要有点东西。。。

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-1 21:48
我可能理解错了我说一下我现在的理解大家帮我纠正一下谢谢
with的形式有
with+n
with+n+ed/ing
with+n+adj
with+n+介词短语
以上的with的这四种形式在具体应用时有两种用法：
1.就近修饰前面的名词
例： The department defines a private passenger vehicle as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds.
(A) as one registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(B) to be one that is registered to an individual with a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(C) as one that is registered to an individual and that has a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds
(D) to have a gross weight less than 8,000 pounds and being registered to an individual
(E) as having a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds and registered to an individual
这道题中，首先根据逻辑意思判断a gross weight of less than 8,000 pounds应该是修饰individual的，因此根据with可以就近修饰这一点，选择A
2.做状语修饰前一分句（不知道可不可以理解成离它最近的）的动作类型词
例：The failing of the book lies not in a lack of attention to scientific detail but in the depiction of scenes of life and death in the marine world with emotional overtones thatreduce the credibility of the work.
(A) the depiction of scenes of life and death in the marine world with emotional overtones that
(B) fact that it depicts marine world scenes of life and death as having emotional overtones that
(C) depiction of scenes of life and death in the marine world, whose emotional overtones
(D) depiction of marine world scenes of life and death, which have emotional overtones and thus
(E) fact that if depicts scenes of life and death in the marine world, whose emotional overtones
这道题中，首先根据逻辑意思emotional overtones that..应该是修饰depiction的而非world，因此根据with可以做状语修饰前一分句的动作类型词这一原则，只能选with，因为只有with才可以修饰到depiction。而其他的whose，which都是修饰world的不可以。
同时这里的with不会造成歧义，我的理解是with有两种用法，一种行不通（就近修饰）就换另一种呗（修饰前一分句的动作类型词）两种用法挑着用。（不知道这样理解是否能解释lz的疑问）
这一用法的其他的例子：
prep57
The Anasazi settlements at Chaco Canyon were built on a spectacular scale with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, wereconnected by a complex regional system of roads.
(A) with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each, were
(B) with more than 75 carefully engineered structures, of up to 600 rooms each,
(C) of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms, each that had been
(D) of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms and with each
(E) of more than 75 carefully engineered structures of up to 600 rooms each had been
根据逻辑意思这里more than 75 carefully engineered structures 应当是修饰built，所以只能选择with，因为只有with才有作状语修饰前一分句的动作类型词的功能。而of不可以，因为of只能就近修饰scale，造成了逻辑错误。
Visitors to the park have often looked up into the leafy canopy and saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang like socks on a clothesline.
(A) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs hang
(B) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs were hanging
(C) saw monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(D) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, with arms and legs hanging
(E) seen monkeys sleeping on the branches, whose arms and legs have hung

首先还是根据逻辑意思arms and legs hanging..是来修饰sleeping而不是branches，所以就只能选with，whose是就近修饰ibranches的

最后说一下我对with的看法：我认为with只要是后面跟的内容没有错误（比如说with后面不能跟to do形式，不能跟句子），with在修饰方面是优于whose，which，that 因为这些词只可以就近修饰，后者是修饰核心词，而with的可以做状语修饰前一分句的动作类型词。在修饰方面比whose，that..多出来一个用法。
当然关键的关键还是像prep笔记上说的“更多情况下只能错逻辑意思入手”

还有PennyConan牛牛，可能with后面就是可以只加n吧，我也是看了n多这种用法

请大家看看我这样总结对吗？

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-1 21:55

我突然发现with+n.都是修饰名词的，想了想觉得是因为如果with后面只有一个n不能表达得出伴随或者方式的意思，所以做状语的话n后还要有点东西。。。

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 21:13:42)

[/quote]我也是很疑惑，是不是with后面就是不能光加n（赤裸裸的一个n），必须对这个名词也有修饰成分
就像是prep笔记上总结的with后面的形式
with+n+ed/ing
with+n+adj
with+n+介词短语
楼主的那个例子n也是有that从句修饰的..

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 22:00

with后面不能跟to do形式，不能跟句子

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/1 21:48:53)

哈哈我喜欢这句话~ 独立主格嘛。。。我在高中的时候就觉得是一个巨强大的表达方式，但是因为高考不强调所以也没有认真研究，现在对with真是很崇拜。。。

以后英语名字就叫with好了^^

作者: pennyconan 时间: 2010-5-1 22:02

我突然发现with+n.都是修饰名词的，想了想觉得是因为如果with后面只有一个n不能表达得出伴随或者方式的意思，所以做状语的话n后还要有点东西。。。

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 21:13:42)

[/quote]
我也是很疑惑，是不是with后面就是不能光加n（赤裸裸的一个n），必须对这个名词也有修饰成分
就像是prep笔记上总结的with后面的形式
with+n+ed/ing
with+n+adj
with+n+介词短语
楼主的那个例子n也是有that从句修饰的..

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/1 21:55:48)

[/quote]

我倒是认为with后面可以赤裸裸就一个n
I go home with a bag.就一个bag啊。。。
例句：
86.Although it is just inside the orbit of Jupiter, amateur astronomers with good telescopes should be able to see the comet within the next few weeks.

只有赤果果的good telescopes，真是够赤果果的 --！

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-1 22:08

我突然发现with+n.都是修饰名词的，想了想觉得是因为如果with后面只有一个n不能表达得出伴随或者方式的意思，所以做状语的话n后还要有点东西。。。

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 21:13:42)

恩这么说来with后面就是可以接n了对对对~搞明白了with后面名词是必须的，修饰成分看着加吧（当然还是不能有错误）对吗？

我也是很疑惑，是不是with后面就是不能光加n（赤裸裸的一个n），必须对这个名词也有修饰成分
就像是prep笔记上总结的with后面的形式
with+n+ed/ing
with+n+adj
with+n+介词短语
楼主的那个例子n也是有that从句修饰的..

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/1 21:55:48)

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 22:02:19)

[/quote]

作者: AmyGMAT 时间: 2010-5-1 22:11

with后面不能跟to do形式，不能跟句子

-- by 会员 AmyGMAT (2010/5/1 21:48:53)

-- by 会员 pennyconan (2010/5/1 22:00:20)

嗯嗯！！！我在with这里啊就使劲绕啊绕..以前发了n多贴都是问with。这回好像有点绕出来的感觉了..
with的确是个很强大的考点必须得弄明白了啊

作者: aeoluseros 时间: 2010-9-3 07:37
umm...我觉得A里面with短语应该是做定语，只是因为它后面跟了个定语从句太长所以才后置了，而没有接在depiction后面.
那个所谓的动作类型词应该是现在分词一类，而不是名词，其次with + n. + to do也是有的。with后面只是不能直接加句子和介词短语……

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