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作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-1 21:14
标题: OG264，OG261

1. Scientists believe that unlike the males of most species of moth, the male whistling moths of Nambung, Australia, call female moths to them by the use of acoustical signals, but not olfactory ones, and they attract their mates during the day, rather than at night.

(A) by the use of acoustical signals, but not olfactory ones, and they attract

(B) by the use of acoustical signals instead of using olfactory ones, and attracting

(D) using acoustical signals, rather than olfactory ones, and attract（D）

(E) using acoustical signals, but not olfactory ones, and attracting

想请教：这里的using是什么用法？？分词可以在句中直接表伴随动作吗？？

1. Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940, author Bharati Mukherjee has lived in England and Canada, and first came to the United States in 1961 to study at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop.

(A) Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940, author Bharati Mukherjee has

(B) Having been a United States citizen since 1988, she was born in Calcutta in 1940; author Bharati Mukherjee

(D) Being born in Calcutta in 1940 and having been a United States citizen since 1988, author Bharati Mukherjee（C）

(E) Having been born in Calcutta in 1940 and being a United States citizen since 1988, author Bharati Mukherjee

看了OG的解释，OG说A选项Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940,违反了平行，但是我记得过去分词和现在分词是可以并列的啊？？

作者: turtlechen 时间: 2004-3-1 21:58

264. Scientists believe that unlike the males of most species of moth, the male whistling moths of Nambung, Australia, call female moths to them using acoustical signals, rather than olfactory ones, and attract their mates during the day, rather than at night.
这里的using是什么用法？？
Using应该是一种定语从句的省略，由 who use 省略而来。这种用法还满常见的喔！fficeffice" />

261. Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940, author Bharati Mukherjee has lived in England and Canada, and first came to the United States in 1961 to study at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop.
OG说A选项Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940,违反了平行
Being 同样看起来是省略的结果。可以还原为 author Bharati Mukherjee who has been(=being) a …
因此跟and后不平行了。author Bharati Mukherjee who was born(=born)

who has been(=being)
这里也怪怪的！用since应该搭配完成式，但这里应该用been而非being。用being 应该变成(who is)的省略了！
That’s my 2 cents worth.

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作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-1 22:19
     呵呵，又见chen兄，近来可好？申请如何？

     关于第一题：我也想过省略，但是若按照此方法还原，who use中的who指代是否过于遥远了？？？甚至应该是就近指代them??

    关于第二题，认同chen兄看法

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-1 23:43

261，being sth and born…， born和sth并列造成平行结构不对称？fficeffice" />

264．“在句中直接”，问得有水平，你真是敏锐，佩服。我就没想到。一般情况下，好像都使用逗号隔开的。

查了语法书，好像找不到分词短语做状语不用逗号的例子，单个分词的有。Using在这里可能是介词？只有金山词霸有using这个词，属性是vbl.,但我查不到vbl是什么。

大家讨论。

作者: turtlechen 时间: 2004-3-2 02:07

以下是引用dreadpower在2004-3-1 22:19:00的发言：
     呵呵，又见chen兄，近来可好？申请如何？

     关于第一题：我也想过省略，但是若按照此方法还原，who use中的who指代是否过于遥远了？？？甚至应该是就近指代them??

    关于第二题，认同chen兄看法

呵呵！好久不见，现在边工作边混，骗吃骗吃！
目前在赶最后几轮，机会渺茫，图个经验了！

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264. using的逻辑主语应该是male moths。他在这里的位置确实有可议之处！但或许其它答案都没他好，所以还是得选他了！

作者: dreadpower 时间: 2004-3-3 11:45
恩，如此看来，平行要优先考虑

还有，祝chen兄好运！！

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作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-26 23:30
dreadpower: OG264:"想请教：这里的using是什么用法？？分词可以在句中直接表伴随动作吗？？"

找到例子了,薄冰<高级英语语法>

337:
现在分词表方式,多置于句首获句末:He ran up to her breathing heavily.

Your government should not refuse to fulfil international obligations using domestic law as an excuse. 没有逗号隔开.

作者: bunnier 时间: 2004-3-27 04:24

以下是引用tianwan在2004-3-26 23:30:00的发言：
dreadpower: OG264:"想请教：这里的using是什么用法？？分词可以在句中直接表伴随动作吗？？"

找到例子了,薄冰<高级英语语法>

hmm... the 2nd example is different from the 1st. bunnier had a discussion with pumpkin other day... there are at least 3 ways to express a means or a tool to do something.

(1) by action
- He killed the spider by hitting it.
- He got where he is by hard work.

(2) with tools
- He killed the spider with a shoe.
- No, he got there with his wife's money

(3) using (a concise variation of "by using")
- Your government should not refuse to fulfil international obligations using domestic law as an excuse.
- the male whistling moths call female moths to them using acoustical signals.

See 大全 964. It covers all 3 forms. personal understanding. 多多指点...

作者: tianwan 时间: 2004-3-27 23:28
谢谢bunnier。

作者: 我爱宝宝 时间: 2004-5-12 01:04

以下是引用bunnier在2004-3-27 4:24:00的发言：

hmm... the 2nd example is different from the 1st. bunnier had a discussion with pumpkin other day... there are at least 3 ways to express a means or a tool to do something.
(1) by action
- He killed the spider by hitting it.
- He got where he is by hard work.
(2) with tools
- He killed the spider with a shoe.
- No, he got there with his wife's money
(3) using (a concise variation of "by using")
- Your government should not refuse to fulfil international obligations using domestic law as an excuse.
- the male whistling moths call female moths to them using acoustical signals.
See 大全 964. It covers all 3 forms. personal understanding. 多多指点...

谢谢。但是最后一种用法还是有可能引起歧义的吧，有谁能提供个分词在句中修饰其前面的名词，来进行比较，找出个规律来吗？

作者: 我爱宝宝 时间: 2004-5-12 01:21

Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940. author Bharati Mukherjee has lived in England and Canada, and first came to the United States in 1961 to study at the Iowa Writers' Workshop.

(A) Being a United States citizen since 1988 and born in Calcutta in 1940, author Bharati Mukherjee has

(B) Having been a United States citizen since 1988, she was born in Calcutta in 1940; author Bharati Mukherjee

(C) Born in Calcutta in 1940, author Bharati Mukherjee became a United States citizen in 1988; she has

(D) Being born in Calcutta in 1940 and having been a United States citizen since 1988, author Bharati Mukherjee

(E) Having been born in Calcutta in 1940 and being a United States citizen since 1988, author Bharati Mukherjee

C is best. The first clause presents its information clearly and in logical sequence. The use of a semicolon to set apart the remaining information further assists the clarity of the sentence. In A, the phrase and oddly presents its information in reverse chronological order. Choice B illogically suggests that upon her birth in 1940, Mukherjee had already been a United States citizen since 1988. I

为什么说 Choice B illogically suggests that upon her birth in 1940, Mukherjee had already been a United States citizen since 1988. I，是因为从逻辑上说Having been...发生在she was 之前，而事实上Having been...是不可能发生在she was 之前的原因吗？

作者: wwwhahchn 时间: 2004-12-3 17:47
B中的having been还原成谓语动词应该是什么？having been和was born哪个在前，哪个在后？

作者: jade_lee 时间: 2005-1-11 11:29

以下是引用wwwhahchn在2004-12-3 17:47:00的发言：
B中的having been还原成谓语动词应该是什么？having been和was born哪个在前，哪个在后？

having been 应在前，was born 在后。Thus, having been 还原成 had been.

作者: weichenli 时间: 2005-8-22 21:38

补充: 如果时态是在主要句子之后的话, 不能改现在分词

因而可以推出一定是在之前

没错吧

作者: wcfang 时间: 2006-11-25 13:34

以下是引用weichenli在2005-8-22 21:38:00的发言：

补充: 如果时态是在主要句子之后的话, 不能改现在分词

因而可以推出一定是在之前

没错吧

having been 可能由 had been 或 have been 簡化而來，用樓上的說法就只能是 had been,

這個解釋很好...

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作者: dormousedzc 时间: 2007-12-6 03:02

晕了,XDF说现在时态和过去时态不能在同一句话中.

这里就出现了现在完成时和过去时的联用,而且从所谓的时间顺序来看还是现在完成时在前,过去时在后

我彻底无语了...

作者: rorarora 时间: 2008-3-15 19:36

支持兔子，being 那个明显就是分词做壮语放在句首，using这个，感觉还是省略了by。

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