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作者: LUCIE_SIMON    时间: 2009-5-12 20:33
标题: GWD30-Q16 stupid问题3

Researchers are using computer images to help surgeons plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do for pilots, letting medical personnel practice their techniques and test their reflexes before they ever see a patient.

A.    plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do

B.    plan difficult operations and develop programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as with flight simulators

C.    to plan difficult operations and to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators

D.    plan difficult operations and in developing programs to work for doctors and nurses the same way as flight simulators

E.     to plan difficult operations and developing programs that will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators do

答案是A,我选了C。

我简单的总结了几点关于错误的疑问:

1,平行结构。A是to help surgeons和后面的to develop programs平行,C是to plan和to develop平行。为什么不是C那种平行呢?帮助外科医生计划有难度的手术和开展计划??

2,"help"

      help做动词可以用help sb. to do, 也可以省略to.是不是在ETS标准里大多数还是省略的好,因为字更少,更简略了?

3,“like”

     C里面的like后面跟的是名词,省略了动词,直接用forXX,我觉得与前面的形式也是挺平衡的。是不是like的问题。我记得之前讨论过,as比较的强调动作,like强调对象。那这里为什么不好呢??还是用like也不错呢?

请NN作答,谢谢!!!


作者: jbyupei    时间: 2009-5-12 21:10

1 surgeons care not the plan benefiting other doctor but the operation

2 help sth do is prefered

3 to express the word 'similar', 'like' is often followed by a nouns, whereas 'as' is followd by a full sentence.

  the word following 'like' is often used to express similarity with the subject of a sentence nearby.

  for example:

  AVB,LIKE C .. A,like B, V C .. LIKE C, AVB,            each C is in accordance with A .

  futher more, 'like N' is a adverbial element, and therefore must be isolated with comma  


作者: LUCIE_SIMON    时间: 2009-5-12 21:19
以下是引用jbyupei在2009-5-12 21:10:00的发言:

3 to express the word 'similar', 'like' is often followed by a nouns, whereas 'as' is followd by a full sentence.

  the word following 'like' is often used to express similarity with the subject of a sentence nearby.

  for example:

  AVB,LIKE C .. A,like B, V C .. LIKE C, AVB,            each C is in accordance with A .

  futher more, 'like N' is a adverbial element, and therefore must be isolated with comma 

谢谢楼上的,1和2都解释的很好。但是3里面的那个example偶没看懂耶。。。“AVB是什么。。。”

原谅我的stupid。。。


作者: shingo1938    时间: 2009-5-13 16:52

如果用as来改写原句的话,就变成:to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators will work for pilots
省略之后变成to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators do for pilots
这里flight simulators和pilots的关系是 A work for B的关系
原句比较的是A work for B,就像C work for D一样 所以不能用like,是拿两句句子在类比,要用as。
而C选项里面就变成了A work for B, 就像C。指的是A和C两个主语做类比。那么意思上就错了,因为是句子与句子类比,而不是主语与主语类比。


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作者: LUCIE_SIMON    时间: 2009-5-13 17:31
以下是引用shingo1938在2009-5-13 16:52:00的发言:

如果用as来改写原句的话,就变成:to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators will work for pilots
省略之后变成to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators do for pilots
这里flight simulators和pilots的关系是 A work for B的关系
原句比较的是A work for B,就像C work for D一样 所以不能用like,是拿两句句子在类比,要用as。
而C选项里面就变成了A work for B, 就像C。指的是A和C两个主语做类比。那么意思上就错了,因为是句子与句子类比,而不是主语与主语类比。


但是后面有for pilots啊。。。

可以把这句句子改成这样哇:

Like flight stimulators for pilots, programs will work for doctors and nurses.


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作者: LUCIE_SIMON    时间: 2009-5-13 18:38

e...我发现我会越搞越糊涂的,是不是语法总会经过这个过程的。。。

看错题的时候我看到一道题目,

Artificial intelligence emerged during the late 1950's as an academic discipline based on the assumption that computers could be programmed to think like people.

这里用了like,把电脑和人做比较,但是句意是电脑可以像人一样思考;

就像这题里面的like,

把program和flight stimulators比较,但是句意是这个program 可以像flight stimulators对pilots产生作用一样对医生和护士产生作用。

请帮我从泥潭里拔出来吧。。。虽然我知道in the same way that更好。。。


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作者: LUCIE_SIMON    时间: 2009-5-14 13:56


作者: AlienX    时间: 2009-5-15 00:35
umm...兩題有點不一樣
the programs will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators.
computers could be programmed to think like people.

作者: mm007_mmgmat    时间: 2009-6-4 11:35

我觉得这个题目是不是应该从逻辑意思入手:A中,指help surgeons plan ,

而后面的to develop 对应的是are using computer images to,

意思是研究人员利用计算机图像帮助外科医生进行难度大的手术,并且发展。。。。


作者: lc837981213    时间: 2009-7-15 10:29

以下是引用AlienX在2009-5-15 0:35:00的发言:
umm...兩題有點不一樣
the programs will work for doctors and nurses like flight simulators.
computers could be programmed to think like people.

我觉得说得对。computers那句里的people可以和computers直接对换,可以说成:people could be programmed to think.但是第一句就不能这样,不能说flight simulator will work for doctors and nurses.所第二句的like后面需要跟的就是一个词,这符合like的用法,但是第一句后面要跟一句话,即flight simulators will work for pilots.这是就不能再用like了。


作者: 松鼠gg    时间: 2009-7-15 11:07

Simulator for pilots在这里不是一个好的表达,因为前面的主句说的是"researchers do somthing for doctors and nurses".

首先,"for"在主句里面只是一个介词,我们在从句中做省略的话,不能够把动词省略了只留下介词。

并且,A does something for BA for B表达的是不同的意思。


作者: 伊布拉莫维琨    时间: 2009-7-23 17:11

作者: raphael1234    时间: 2009-7-23 19:25
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作者: whismanc    时间: 2009-7-31 11:15
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作者: xinling917    时间: 2009-9-13 10:09

答案是A,我选了C。

我简单的总结了几点关于错误的疑问:

1,平行结构。A是to help surgeons和后面的to develop programs平行,C是to plan和to develop平行。为什么不是C那种平行呢?帮助外科医生计划有难度的手术和开展计划??

引用一nn说的:“这个develop应该是和前面的to help并列 因为前面是surgeons 后面是doctors and nurses 如果是plan和develop并列的话 意思就不对了”

我想关键是在这了!这样一看是符合平行对称原则的!

好阴险!!!!


作者: 林若绮    时间: 2010-9-20 11:41
感觉这道题不严谨,答案是A的话。最好把the same 后面的“that” 改为“as",as 表示句子间比较且搭配“the same"。  
C 肯定是错的,因为用like做比较的话,stimulators后面的for pilot与that will work for doctors and nurse结构不对称;另外这里,肯定是to help 和 to develop平行,因为如果是 plan 和 develop平行的话,原句是help surgeon develop programs will work for doctors and nurses,这里涉及到surgeons, doctors and nurses, 逻辑不通。
作者: 流浪的心    时间: 2010-9-20 13:15
这里的to develop肯定是和to help平行比较好
所以是 researchers are using computer images to help surgeons do...

and researchers are using computer images to develop
作者: akiluk    时间: 2010-10-1 16:10
没错!!同意18楼
作者: flyoverroses    时间: 2010-10-7 17:17
同意18楼,这题好阴险!
一限时就会考虑不全面,等错了再看看答案发现确实是那么回事……
作者: dec0412    时间: 2010-11-1 20:34
B?
作者: candy湘    时间: 2010-11-1 21:35
感觉这道题不严谨,答案是A的话。最好把the same 后面的“that” 改为“as",as 表示句子间比较且搭配“the same"。  
C 肯定是错的,因为用like做比较的话,stimulators后面的for pilot与that will work for doctors and nurse结构不对称;另外这里,肯定是to help 和 to develop平行,因为如果是 plan 和 develop平行的话,原句是help surgeon develop programs will work for doctors and nurses,这里涉及到surgeons, doctors and nurses, 逻辑不通。
-- by 会员 林若绮 (2010/9/20 11:41:58)



我的问题就在这里,the same that 是可用的吗?我就是凭借the same as所以排除了选项a,求指点
作者: ssxxtt27    时间: 2011-9-10 00:56
如果用as来改写原句的话,就变成:to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators will work for pilots
省略之后变成to develop programs that will work for doctors and nurses as flight simulators do for pilots
这里flight simulators和pilots的关系是 A work for B的关系
原句比较的是A work for B,就像C work for D一样 所以不能用like,是拿两句句子在类比,要用as。
而C选项里面就变成了A work for B, 就像C。指的是A和C两个主语做类比。那么意思上就错了,因为是句子与句子类比,而不是主语与主语类比。

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-- by 会员 shingo1938 (2009/5/13 16:52:00)


句子间的对比确实要用as,但是C不是句子间的对比,而是名词间的。
like前面  programs是核心 后面that...都是从句,修饰programs的
like后面 simulators是核心词 for pilots是修饰核心词的。
所以仍然是名词间的对比
作者: ssxxtt27    时间: 2011-9-10 00:58
A.    plan difficult operations and to develop programs (这是images干的,不是surgeons!)that will work for doctors and nurses in the same way that flight simulators do(use…to do… and to do…)
这是关键点
作者: wildmantomba    时间: 2012-4-23 10:35
1、and平衡
排除DE(developing)

2、the same way as with
排除B

3、like
排除C

4、help sb. (to) V
    to V1 and (to) V2
to的省略在语法上没有问题,但A最清晰,符合AT层层递进
作者: jay871750293    时间: 2013-7-11 19:25
关于C选项like还有一个不是使用得很好的地方:
SVO结构中,like如果在句末且之前没有逗号,就会产生歧义,manhattan 5th有提到~
例如:
I teach my students like Bob.
这里,like bob有可能是adj修饰就近的students,有可能作adv修饰teach,
不过这道题中歧义也不会很大,因为stimulators逻辑上不会修饰doctor and nurse

BTW,A的比较很工整,很完美~
作者: muerbingsha    时间: 2017-4-14 15:29
lc837981213 发表于 2009-7-15 10:29
以下是引用AlienX在2009-5-15 0:35:00的发言:umm...兩題有點不一樣the programs will work for doctors an ...

同意!               




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